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For those who have listened to both, which is better? Also take in to consideration the prices (BIC America center is $110 and the Infinity Primus PC351 is $220 after tax). If the Infinity Primus is better, is it worth double?

 

BTW, I'm talking about the the stock BIC America center, not the modified version. 

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What are you using for your L and R channels? If at all possible it's best to match your center to your front channels. That should be your primary consideration here (IMO).

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What are you using for your L and R channels? If at all possible it's best to match your center to your front channels. That should be your primary consideration here (IMO).

An absolutely critical consideration.
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An absolutely critical consideration.

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I'm going to buy the other speakers to match the center I choose. In the case of infinity, I'm going to buy p363 towers and for the BIC America, I'll get dv64 towers.
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But my main question is which center sounds better, disregarding everything else
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But my main question is which center sounds better, disregarding everything else

Okay let's look at this differently. Speakers are very subjective and what I like you may not like and what you like I may hate. That said, it's very hard to tell you which sounds better because when it comes to speakers there is no substitute for taking time and listening to different speakers so you learn what you like and what you don't. 

 

But if you really want someone to tell you what you should buy than I would go with the Infinity Primus I think they will be a little better. 

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Which one would sound warmer? I have a satellite speaker system right now and it is way too bright.. gives me a headache after a while.

I realize that it is a very subjective question, so all I can ask is for your opinion. None of my local stores carry these speakers, so I won't have a chance to go in to demo them. 

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Both have a very nuetral sound (neither too bright or too mellow). I would considered neither of them bright. I personally don't think you could go wrong with either.

If I had to choose those I would go with the Infinity's, simply based on the reading of reviews of members here and the 3-way design of the Infinity PC3351
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But my main question is which center sounds better, disregarding everything else

I had a pair of Primus P363s that used with my Paradigm 12" sub. I bought a PC351 to experiment with having a center channel speaker as I was very happy with the phantom center.

I was so pleased with the PC351 that I bought 2 more and run them LCR.

I also run Audyssey Multieq, but it says that it really doesn't have a lot of work to do with the 351's. Still makes them sound a tad more natural, but not that much.
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Thanks for the replies. I went ahead and bought the pc351 as it just, coincidentally, went on sale for $179 no tax/free shipping. Here's the link if anyone else is interested:

 

http://slickdeals.net/f/6641508-infinity-primus-pc351-center-channel-speaker-for-179-ymmv

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This is kind of random, but does anyone know why prices of speakers have gone up over the past few years? Looking back at the history of the Infinity Primus line of speakers, and many others as a matter of fact, the prices seemed to be way cheaper back in 2009/2010. Not just sales/deals, but the steady prices they were sold at on amazon and other retailers. And I'm talking about the exact same speakers/model numbers. Its a little strange. I would think the prices would go down as the product ages..

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I had a pair of Primus P363s that used with my Paradigm 12" sub. I bought a PC351 to experiment with having a center channel speaker as I was very happy with the phantom center.

I was so pleased with the PC351 that I bought 2 more and run them LCR.

I also run Audyssey Multieq, but it says that it really doesn't have a lot of work to do with the 351's. Still makes them sound a tad more natural, but not that much.

I am very interested to hear how you set this up. I've been reading lots of reviews and people not only seem to like the PC351, but a few have been saying run them LCR. How is setting it up with 2 more 351's better than the 363 towers? i would assume that the Center speakers and RL Towers are designed to be set up that way. Does 3 "Center" speakers provide advantages? Also, everyone says the 351's are HUGE, I'd love to see a pic of the 351's as LR's mounted to the wall, if that's how you did it. I'm getting ready to overhaul the family/media room, and trying to figure out what direction to go in. Any help is appreciated..

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"I had a pair of Primus P363s that used with my Paradigm 12" sub. I bought a PC351 to experiment with having a center channel speaker as I was very happy with the phantom center.

I was so pleased with the PC351 that I bought 2 more and run them LCR.

I also run Audyssey Multieq, but it says that it really doesn't have a lot of work to do with the 351's. Still makes them sound a tad more natural, but not that much."

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I am very interested to hear how you set this up. I've been reading lots of reviews and people not only seem to like the PC351, but a few have been saying run them LCR. How is setting it up with 2 more 351's better than the 363 towers?

Frankly, a lot of it was packaging. My previous system was a pair of Boston Acoustics bookshelves on a shelf near the ceiling in a Soffet configuration. I was very pleased with the P363s but upgraded them with a PC351 up on the shelf. The PC351 gave the system quite a bit of focus and definition, which made me wonder what adding a pair for L&R would do. As they say, the rest is history and for the time being the P363s went into that storeroom with all the classic 2-channel separates.
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i would assume that the Center speakers and RL Towers are designed to be set up that way.

The P363s were used as L&R floor standers in the traditional way. There was the Paradigm 12" subwoofer over to one side handling the bass below 80 Hz.
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Does 3 "Center" speakers provide advantages?

Yes. For one thing you can't beat the timbre matching of 3 identical speakers in very similar acoustic settings. The soffet mounting adds focus and extends low end response. Here is what it looks like. (If my wife finds out that I posted this, I am a dead man!) The house is far from her standards for being in good order. Oh, well!


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Also, everyone says the 351's are HUGE, I'd love to see a pic of the 351's as LR's mounted to the wall, if that's how you did it. I'm getting ready to overhaul the family/media room, and trying to figure out what direction to go in. Any help is appreciated...

They are (H x W x D): 7-3/8" x 23-7/8" x 9-1/4" (187mm x 606mm x 235mm) which no way is huge by my standards. Compare them to towers. Being less than 8" tall they work well above or below a flat panel display. They aren't much taller than a lot of sound bars, but they allow you to stretch the length of the LCR array to fit the room and the TV.
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LOL! Appreciate the pic (Whats posted on the forum, STAYS on the forum!!) ;-) That's awesome and I REALLY appreciate you taking the time to respond. In your opinion, it would be better to keep all 3 horizontal then? or would it be better to somehow mount L R vertical if possible. Our new setup may very well have a mantle and at the same level shevling (essentially splitting the wall in 2) running the length of the wall the tv is on, so I could set it up either way...
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LOL! Appreciate the pic (Whats posted on the forum, STAYS on the forum!!) ;-) That's awesome and I REALLY appreciate you taking the time to respond. In your opinion, it would be better to keep all 3 horizontal then?

There are what I feel to be strong technical reasons to identify a given speaker's preferred orientation and never depart from it. In the case of the Primus series there are what, 2 speakers that are built to be horizontal and 3 or 4 that are designed to be vertical. That should be that. Sorry that no speakers with a preferred orientation of 45 degrees made the cut! ;-)
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Our new setup may very well have a mantle and at the same level shevling (essentially splitting the wall in 2) running the length of the wall the tv is on, so I could set it up either way...

To further clarify the 143, 153 and 163 as well as the floor standing 363 are great if you want to mount your speakers vertically. They are a reasonable timbre match with the PC251 and PC351. I am not a fan of the 251 because it is MTM. MTM works better in a vertical orientation. I think of it as the black sheep in the family. ;-)

Stepping back a bit, the low end of the Primus series seems to compete well with the Pioneer "famous designer" series, but it also seem to have a few more legs in its high end. On paper the P363 is surprisingly competitive with the Paradigm Studio 60. I'd like to hear a blind comparison.
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Would you recommend using the pc351 or p163 for center with the p363 towers?
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Would you recommend using the pc351 or p163 for center with the p363 towers?

If the center channel speaker is to be mounted horizontally, PC351.

If the center channel speaker is to be mounted vertically, P163.
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Orientation won't be an issue. Which one would be the better center?
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Orientation won't be an issue. Which one would be the better center?

A horizontal speaker is a compromise in sound quality for the sake of placement. A vertical speaker is preferable, and I would take three identical P363/P163. With a horizontal center, even one with a proper design like the PC351, lobing can still be an issue.

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A horizontal speaker is a compromise in sound quality for the sake of placement. A vertical speaker is preferable, and I would take three identical P363/P163. With a horizontal center, even one with a proper design like the PC351, lobing can still be an issue.

Sorry to bring up an old thread, but was just doing some research between the P351 center and the P163 bookshelf to be used as a center.  I picked up a pair of P363 towers from Fry's and am now going to pick up a center channel.  I can place a speaker horizontally or vertically, the positioning won't be an issue once I get my TV mounted.  All things being equal, my question is: Is the P351 worth $115 more than the P163? I've read nothing but great reviews on the 163 and on the 351, just surprised that with the center being as large as it is, that for the convenience of the speaker being set horizonatally, it's worth over $100+ more? 

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