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From advice given on a previous thread, I was just about to pull the trigger on a pair of Focal 816v speakers. Then I saw that the Wharfedale - Diamond 10.7 speakers are the same price. From what I am reading, the Diamonds produce more bass, but I though I would ask the expert opinion of the users in this forum to chime in. I don't need full throttle, booming bass as I will be using these speakers my living room (18' x 18'), however, I would like speakers that have enough bass to where I don't feel like I'll need to buy an extra sub-woofer (for now). I mostly use my speakers for gaming and music. I don't watch a whole lot of movies at home, but am considering expanding to a 5.1 system over time.

Based on the info I've provided, what do you think would be the better choice?
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i know this aint what yer wantin to hear...but you need to listen to 'em, brother


if you can't listen, yer just gonna hafta go with yer gut based on what you've read...not a primo way to buy speakers!
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The Focal speakers are excellent-sounding speakers.

The Wharfedales are also very good, but not quite as nice-sounding.

The Focal speakers were originally $1500 or more, and are marked down now because a new lineup is coming; there are some great deals available (around $1100).

I don't think the difference in bass is significant. If you want a LOT of low bass, a subwoofer would be mandatory with either one... and you apparently have one.

The Wharfedale 10.7 claim to go down to 30 Hz is pure BS; they are -3db at 45 Hz, according to the measured frequency response graph published in Stereophile in their review article.

Focal says they are -3db at 47 Hz, and their specs are normally very accurate. In any case that seems correct for that speaker type.

You will need to have a subwoofer operating from 30 to 50 Hz to get full-range bass with either speaker.
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Much appreciated. I'm going to go with the Focals
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Much appreciated. I'm going to go with the Focals

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Much appreciated. I'm going to go with the Focals



why do i get the feeling if commsysman's post had recommended the wharfedales you would have went with those...?
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To be quite honest, I was already leaning toward the Focals, but was looking for a compelling argument for the wharfedales. No one made the case so that solidified my decision.
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...and i hope it works out for you c-poppa!



don't get me wrong...i like focal alot...i have 836w mains, cc800w center and 807w surrounds

i'm just hesitant to recommend something as subjective as speakers based on MY preferences...


let us know what you think...
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I hear you. And you're right, the only way to really be sure is to hear them. Unfortunately, I wasn't in the position to do that prior to purchase.

They should be here Sat so I'll be sure to report back. Considering my current pair are Kenwood JL-690s from the mid 80s, I'm guessing I'll tell the difference. wink.gif
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I hear you. And you're right, the only way to really be sure is to hear them. Unfortunately, I wasn't in the position to do that prior to purchase.

They should be here Sat so I'll be sure to report back. Considering my current pair are Kenwood JL-690s from the mid 80s, I'm guessing I'll tell the difference. wink.gif

Just remember to give the new speakers 100-200 hours to break in - per The Focal recommendation!

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Thanks, I was just going to ask about speaker gauge. They are only about 3-4ft from my receiver so I picked up 16 gauge. Will that be ok?
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should be fine for that distance...


can't wait to hear your impressions of the focals...!
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Just remember to give the new speakers 100-200 hours to break in - per The Focal recommendation!

& use a decent (non-snake oil) guage & brand of wires

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I hear you. And you're right, the only way to really be sure is to hear them. Unfortunately, I wasn't in the position to do that prior to purchase.

They should be here Sat so I'll be sure to report back. Considering my current pair are Kenwood JL-690s from the mid 80s, I'm guessing I'll tell the difference. wink.gif

Just remember to give the new speakers 100-200 hours to break in - per The Focal recommendation!

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Thanks, I was just going to ask about speaker gauge. They are only about 3-4ft from my receiver so I picked up 16 gauge. Will that be ok?

I would use 12 gauge - 14 minimum.

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Thanks, I was just going to ask about speaker gauge. They are only about 3-4ft from my receiver so I picked up 16 gauge. Will that be ok?

Ignore the "Just remember to give the new speakers 100-200 hours to break in - per The Focal recommendation!"

http://www.audioholics.com/audio-video-cables/speaker-cable-gauge

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So I got the Focal 816v speakers setup up today. I have a Pioneer VSX-1022k AV receiver and used 16 gauge speaker wire to connect them. Also, for reference, my prior speakers were vintage Kenwood JL-690 3-way speakers from the mid/late 80s.

In the short time I tested the Focals, I noticed a serious lack of bass. However, I expected this given my Kenwood have 12in subs. What sounded amazing in the Focals was the gain in detail and clarity. I'm not a major bass guy, but I do miss the boom from my Kenwoods. They also seemed to play louder at lower volume compared to the Focals. Maybe I've been been so out of the loop in speaker technology over the years that I need to adjust my expectations.
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The 816v doesn't lack bass. It's a lot more accurate speaker then what you are used to.
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In the short time I tested the Focals, I noticed a serious lack of bass. What sounded amazing in the Focals was the gain in detail and clarity.

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The 816v doesn't lack bass. It's a lot more accurate speaker then what you are used to.



listen for about a week...see what you think then

you might also experiment a bit with placement...
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Yeah, I definitely need to give them more time to provide an accurate assessment. Though would it make sense that I need to turn the volume higher to achieve a similar level of loudness I get on my Kenwoods?
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Sometimes, one needs to adjust to a more accurate speaker - I do not judge
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Sometimes, one needs to adjust to a more accurate speaker - I do not judge
a speaker by overall loudness, or a boom boom nature.

Fair Point. I went through a similar adjustment period when I had my TV professionally calibrated. I thought the colors were off once it was complete, but that was because I had been looking at the "wrong" colors for so long.

One other question for everyone. Focal says these speakers are not magnetically shielded and that I should keep them at least 50 cm from my TV (60" Samsung LED LCD - 2012 model). I always had my Kenwoods right next to my TV and never noticed any color distortion from magnetic interference and I know those weren't magnetically shielded. Does anyone think I would cause damage to my TV by having my Focals next to it?
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I would only be concerned about placement with a CRT TV/Monitor.

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I would only be concerned about placement with a CRT TV/Monitor.

Those were my thoughts as well. I assumed LED LCDs (or LCDs in general) didn't have the same sensitivity to electromagnetic interference as CRTs do.
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How does everyone feel about center pin banana plugs with these speakers? The "fan out" banana plugs don't seem like a very stable option.
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i just use the bare wire hookup at the speaker...works fine
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So I ran my Focals for 5 hours today. First listening to the TV and then to my Sansui SR 838 TT. Wow! I know I need some more break in time, but when I put on The Royal Scam LP, the sound was great. The bass really picked up and I heard details I hadn't heard before on my old Kenwoods.

Next, I decided to play a little Battlefield 4 and that's where these really shined. Explosions, gunfire, vehicle sounds were just out of this world! I can't believe I've been living in the 80s for so long with those Kenwoods.

After today's experience, I'm very happy with my purchase so far and I can't wait to hear how much better they'll get after a little more break in time.
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