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Hello everyone. I'm new to this site, and as I stated in the "New Member Introductions" section, I'm looking to put together a "respectable" loft. Girlfriend of 10 years is slowly taking over the 70" downstairs. Which could be a blessing in disguise. 

 

I should first start by stating my loft is only 16'x14'. Only the right side is open, being as it has a balcony that spans the whole wall. I'm also an upgrade fanatic. I recently purchased a Samsung 55" 3D-LED 7500 Series T.V. and I'm already looking for reasons to replace it. But my main task at hand is my audio system. A world I'm completely clueless in. Which is why I came to you fine people.

 

My first instinct is to buy a Samsung HTIB system. Only I have spent hours upon hours reading reviews online. Most people with a Samsung HTIB say it is great. Some people say don't waste your money. Some people even say if you have a Samsung T.V. and buy a system that doesn't come from Samsung, you might experience some sort of lag or dead space in your audio/video on occasion. In short, after reading all these reviews I find myself even more clueless than I was before my research. Even trying to navigate through this forum I can't seem to find my exact predicament. 

 

If anyone is willing to help me out, some points of interest to keep in mind would be my loft size (16'x14'), my infatuation with upgrades and the T.V. I'm currently using. I'm not as focused on budget as I am with practicality. I saw some speakers for $2,000,000 today lol. Not very practical for my loft. But if it helps at all, let's start with a reasonable $1,000 budget that can also be very flexible. Remember, upgrades.

 

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For your budget... as far as lag or lip sync receivers have a audio delay setting...

receiver.

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR1613/DENON-AVR-1613-5.1ch-Networking-Receiver-w/AirPlay-3D-ready/1.html

speakers.

http://www.htd.com/Products/level-two-speakers

and sub.

http://www.parts-express.com/dayton-audio-sub-1200-12-120-watt-powered-subwoofer--300-629

just an example.
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I was recommended this as well...

 

http://www.onkyousa.com/Products/model.php?m=HT-S9400THX&class=Systems&source=prodClass

 

Although I'm not sure I can accommodate the 2 extra speakers.

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I was recommended this as well...

http://www.onkyousa.com/Products/model.php?m=HT-S9400THX&class=Systems&source=prodClass

Although I'm not sure I can accommodate the 2 extra speakers.
Doesn't mean you have to use them. Just keep them in the box case you ever need a replacement.

You might want to look at the Pioneer speakers (SP-FS52 Towers, SP-BS22-LR Bookshelf Speakers, and SP-C22 Center), paired with a Bic F12 subwoofer.

Or Polk Monitor 45b's, Polk Monitor 30's, with an Open box Polk CS1 center or Polk 25c center with a Bic F12

With the $500+/- left find a receiver that has the features you want.
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I would start out with a nice 2.0/2.1 system, and the build from there. This lets you start with nicer equipment, and see as you like to upgrade a lot, this lets you spread out your system and end up with something better.

Depending on your seating, you need to determine if 5.1 or 7.1 is right for you. This website is great for determining placement and if you have the space to accommodate rear surrounds.

I would start with a good sub, a pair of bookshelves, and a receiver. Then later on add a center and surrounds, and perhaps a second sub.

For a receiver, www.accessories4less.com is a great place to get manufacturer refurbished units, I would go with an AVR-1713 (5.1) or an AVR-1913 (7.1). For your sub, I think the SVS PB-1000 is a great place to start. It will be accurate, have good output, and get your 19Hz extension so you can really get the full sound experience with movies. Lastly, a pair of bookshelves; I would consider maybe upping your budget some to go with a nicer pair of speakers. I would take a look at the HSU HB-1 MK2 bookshelf speakers. They are very well reviewed, will give you great dynamics to really make movies enjoyable, and come in a very nice Rosewood finish (optional) so they look very sharp.

While you don't get 5.1 right away, this will be far and away better than any HTIB, and gives you a much nicer foundation to work with. Since you like upgrading, I think going with a full 5.1 setup is just going to make you want to upgrade sooner because you won't have as capable components. So why buy twice when you can start out with something better initially. There is always something better out there, just be careful as this hobby is very expensive biggrin.gif

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Thank you so much for the advice. It looks like the front-runners are:

 

Receiver: Denon AVR-19137.1 http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR1913/DENON-AVR-1913-7.1ch-Home-Theater-Receiver-w/AirPlay-3D-ready/1.html

 

Front: TSI400 Cherry Tower Speakers http://www.ebay.com/itm/TSi400-CHERRY-Tower-Speakers-Polk-Audio-PAIR-/231136467596?_trksid=p2054897.l4275

 

Sub: DSWpro440WI 8" Powered Polk Audio http://www.ebay.com/itm/DSWpro440wi-8-BLACK-Powered-Subwoofer-POLK-AUDIO-/360844287241?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item5403fedd09

 

That should put me right at $1,000 to start. If anyone has any constructive criticism about that beginner setup, please let me know. I figure I can get the rear, mid and sides (in that order) in due time. I feel like it is better than the Samsung HT-E6730W in the long run.

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Thank you so much for the advice. It looks like the front-runners are:

Receiver: Denon AVR-19137.1 http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR1913/DENON-AVR-1913-7.1ch-Home-Theater-Receiver-w/AirPlay-3D-ready/1.html

Front: TSI400 Cherry Tower Speakers http://www.ebay.com/itm/TSi400-CHERRY-Tower-Speakers-Polk-Audio-PAIR-/231136467596?_trksid=p2054897.l4275

Sub: DSWpro440WI 8" Powered Polk Audio http://www.ebay.com/itm/DSWpro440wi-8-BLACK-Powered-Subwoofer-POLK-AUDIO-/360844287241?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item5403fedd09

That should put me right at $1,000 to start. If anyone has any constructive criticism about that beginner setup, please let me know. I figure I can get the rear, mid and sides (in that order) in due time. I feel like it is better than the Samsung HT-E6730W in the long run.

I would consider a different sub at that price. The sub does not need to be from the same manufacturer.
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Thank you so much for the advice. It looks like the front-runners are:

Receiver: Denon AVR-19137.1 http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR1913/DENON-AVR-1913-7.1ch-Home-Theater-Receiver-w/AirPlay-3D-ready/1.html

Front: TSI400 Cherry Tower Speakers http://www.ebay.com/itm/TSi400-CHERRY-Tower-Speakers-Polk-Audio-PAIR-/231136467596?_trksid=p2054897.l4275

Sub: DSWpro440WI 8" Powered Polk Audio http://www.ebay.com/itm/DSWpro440wi-8-BLACK-Powered-Subwoofer-POLK-AUDIO-/360844287241?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item5403fedd09

That should put me right at $1,000 to start. If anyone has any constructive criticism about that beginner setup, please let me know. I figure I can get the rear, mid and sides (in that order) in due time. I feel like it is better than the Samsung HT-E6730W in the long run.
For $240 you can get a far better subwoofer. Polks subwoofers are ment to look good not produce great bass. Go with the Polk RTi6's I recommended and make an offer of $270 on this new Bic PL-200

I'd rather see you with a the Polk RTi8's and a Bic F12 than your suggested setup. If you are definitely going with a subwoofer I suggest Bookshelfs like the Polk RTi6's

The RTi -line is a step above the TSi's and in my opinion a decently higher step.

The Denon AVR-1913 is a great receiver to get.
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Thank you. I went with the Denon AVR-E400 instead of the AVR-1913. Hope I didn't downgrade. It seemed like a good choice to me. I will end up getting the bookshelf's you recommended. Although I'm not sure about that sub. Looks awesome, great price, great reviews, except it might be a tad too big for my loft. I'm thinking I will get a 10' instead. I'm not really sure where to start though. Reviews have proven (for the most part) to be a bit confusing on the web. I prefer to chat with real life human beings who recommend specific items like you good people. So if you can suggest an awesome sub that is a tad smaller than the Bic F12/Bic PL-200 then I'm at your mercy my friend.

 

Educate this lone warrior.

 

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Looks pretty sweet. I will go with it if that's the best bet.

 

Please forgive my incompetence though, but is there anything better, maybe at a higher price? Seems like there is quite a gap between the 10"s and 12"s for me thus far.

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Looks pretty sweet. I will go with it if that's the best bet.

Please forgive my incompetence though, but is there anything better, maybe at a higher price? Seems like there is quite a gap between the 10"s and 12"s for me thus far.

what's your budget?

this is a new company but looks promising.. dont know if it is small enough

do need a $ figure for what you want...

http://reaction-audio.myshopify.com/collections/frontpage/products/bps-212-powered-subwoofer


these are smaller


http://www.avsforum.com/t/1474442/truaudio-csub-12

http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/sealed-box/SB-1000
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Don't limit yourself to the size of a smaller subwoofer. It will only lead to further disappointment down the road and you will always be wondering what you are missing

Bic PL-200 is my go to for subwoofer under $300. Under $200 the go to is the Bic F1 2

The Reaction Audio Subwoofers look promising but they are a bit too new for me to recommend. Though for $400 that subwoofer design is great deal, now we just need someone to review it to know its true performance
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I would like to thank you guys for the time/advice.

 

I know it's a crime to go size before performance, but I really am starting to run short of space. My couch is pretty massive. It can accommodate 10 people with half of them laying down. It takes up half the room. 

 

So here is what's going on so far:

 

I ordered my DENON AVR-E400 a couple days ago.

 

It looks like the SVS PB-1000 can give me what I'm looking for on all fronts. 

 

Polk RTiA5 Floor-standing fronts.

 

Polk RTiA1 backs.

 

Polk CSiA4 center.

 

My loft is exactly 15' W, x 14' L, x 8' H, with the right side an open balcony leading to downstairs. Please speak up if there are any objections to this setup. It's not too late, but I am getting anxious :D. I don't want to settle. I would rather get it right.

 

Thanks again for everything guys. Even though I'm still pretty lost with this stuff, I feel like you guys have shared with me some valuable know-how. I feel better prepared now and in the future.

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I would like to thank you guys for the time/advice.

I know it's a crime to go size before performance, but I really am starting to run short of space. My couch is pretty massive. It can accommodate 10 people with half of them laying down. It takes up half the room. 

So here is what's going on so far:

I ordered my DENON AVR-E400 a couple days ago.

It looks like the SVS PB-1000 can give me what I'm looking for on all fronts. 

Polk RTiA5 Floor-standing fronts.

Polk RTiA1 backs.

Polk CSiA4 center.

My loft is exactly 15' W, x 14' L, x 8' H, with the right side an open balcony leading to downstairs. Please speak up if there are any objections to this setup. It's not too late, but I am getting anxious biggrin.gif . I don't want to settle. I would rather get it right.

Thanks again for everything guys. Even though I'm still pretty lost with this stuff, I feel like you guys have shared with me some valuable know-how. I feel better prepared now and in the future.


Your welcome for the advice... the Polks are your choice and I hope you are not paying retail because they are not worth that. If you are getting a good price and you are happy that is what counts. I do not think the Polks would the first choice for most of us. However the RTi is a step up from the TSi.

Good luck and enjoy!
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Your welcome for the advice... the Polks are your choice and I hope you are not paying retail because they are not worth that. If you are getting a good price and you are happy that is what counts. I do not think the Polks would the first choice for most of us. However the RTi is a step up from the TSi.

Good luck and enjoy!

This is good news lol. Like I said, I want to get it right. In your opinion, what would be a first and/or second choice for most people here? The only reason why I shopped Polk is because that's what I was recommended at one point. My main focus is quality and practicality. NOT BUDGET!!! My room dimensions are posted above. The folks here have been amazing. Better than any reviews I've seen online. I'm just on a mission of narrowing it down. I feel pretty close.

 

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This is good news lol. Like I said, I want to get it right. In your opinion, what would be a first and/or second choice for most people here? The only reason why I shopped Polk is because that's what I was recommended at one point. My main focus is quality and practicality. NOT BUDGET!!! My room dimensions are posted above. The folks here have been amazing. Better than any reviews I've seen online. I'm just on a mission of narrowing it down. I feel pretty close.

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Did you listen to the Polks?

I'm, at this point not going to recommend any speakers for you, it is so subjective that it is at times pointless. People will say speaker "y" is better at this or that but speaker "x" is better at this or that, this speaker is more "cohesive" or this or that. Even one person will say this speakers is bright and the other will say it is perfectly balanced, so......

It comes down to what sound signature you like, your room acoustics, the music you like to listen..etc.

Personally, I like to buy speakers from smaller companies where the owner or a speaker engineer is directly involved in making a GOOD speaker, where the company has compassion with audio and their product. This not saying that big companies don't make good speakers and I never rule them out entirely. Even then a lot of speakers are designed and engineered in the USA but are assembled in China with China parts, again nothing really wrong with that.

There is a very loyal Polk following so they are doing something right, like selling their speakers at BestBuy.. J/K smile.gif

Now I think you are making a good choice with the PB-1000, however I really don't know the total amount of space of air you are trying to move, you have to account for all the open space, not just the room the sub is in.

I am not recommending any of these speakers but I will list some others you may not have looked at, just to confuse you smile.gif .... all of these are very good speakers and some may be out of your price range, however they all are great deals and are a good value for the money. The ARX speakers really intrigue me, but I have not heard them so that means nothing, but I would buy them. The ID companies have risk free trial periods and some even pay return shipping.

http://www.theaudioinsider.com/index.php?loudspeakers=arx&cPath=21_32&osCsid=506a3f17f6458ead984c4993076c1131

http://emptek.com/products.php

http://www.ascendacoustics.com/

http://www.aperionaudio.com/



http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/FOCAL717VHVN/FOCAL-Chorus-717V-716V-Dual-6-1/2-Tower-Speaker-PAIR-Havana/1.html

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/FOCALCC701HVN/FOCAL-Chorus-CC701-CC700-Dual-6-1/2-Drivers-Center-Speaker-Havana/1.html

http://www.musicdirect.com/p-41245-focal-chorus-705v-bookshelf-speakers-pr.aspx

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/FOCAL814V/FOCAL-Chorus-814V-Dual-6-Floorstanding-Speakers-BLACK-pair/1.html



http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/CAMBS70BLK/CAMBRIDGE-AUDIO-S70-5-3-way-Floorstanding-Speakers-Each-Black/1.html

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/CAMBS50BLK/CAMBRIDGE-AUDIO-S50-4-3-Way-Center-Channel-Speaker-Black/1.html

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/CAMBS30BLK/CAMBRIDGE-AUDIO-S30-4-2-way-Bookshelf-Speakers-Pair-Black/1.html


http://www.htd.com/Products/Cabinet-Speakers


having said all this I am not trying to persuade you from getting the Polks, I'm sure you will be happy with them.
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I would like to thank you guys for the time/advice.

I know it's a crime to go size before performance, but I really am starting to run short of space. My couch is pretty massive. It can accommodate 10 people with half of them laying down. It takes up half the room. 

So here is what's going on so far:

I ordered my DENON AVR-E400 a couple days ago.

It looks like the SVS PB-1000 can give me what I'm looking for on all fronts. 

Polk RTiA5 Floor-standing fronts.

Polk RTiA1 backs.

Polk CSiA4 center.

My loft is exactly 15' W, x 14' L, x 8' H, with the right side an open balcony leading to downstairs. Please speak up if there are any objections to this setup. It's not too late, but I am getting anxious biggrin.gif . I don't want to settle. I would rather get it right.

Thanks again for everything guys. Even though I'm still pretty lost with this stuff, I feel like you guys have shared with me some valuable know-how. I feel better prepared now and in the future.
That is a great set-up and I can assure you that you will not be disappointed.

I use the Polk RTi4's with a CSi3 center and I love my set-up. I have many different people with many different ears over to hear my set-up and they love it.

Most people who aren't a fan of Polks have not heard the RTi-line or above. Once you get from the Polk RTi's and up you start to get some real quality speakers. Only thing Polk doesn't do well is subwoofers but that is not an issue for you cause you got the SVS.

Your certainly welcome to look at other speakers but the Polk RTi's are certainly great choice and still very worth keeping on your list.
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