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Help!! I'm on the fence on whether to buy new Souls or RFs. I know what a problem to have but nonetheless calling all audiophiles to the rescue. The units will be ran by Emotiva UPA-500 / UMC-200, and paired with Klipsch RC-62 and SVS SB-12. Cabling by Zu audio.

TV: Aquos Sharp 65"
PrePro: Marantz AV7701
Amp: Marantz MM7055
BDP: Marantz UD7007
Fronts: Klipsch RF-7 ii
Center: Klipsch RC-64 ii
Cables: Zu Mission, Kimber PBJ
Sub: Rythmik F15HP
Streamer: Apple TV / iPad
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Go for Klipsch. Zu have released some of the worst measuring speakers I have ever seen. The thing is the Klipsch's dynamic range would be miles outside that of your dinky SB12 subwoofer. I would want to get a sub that could keep up with some monsters like RF-7s.
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The Zu speakers ur referring to were Souls? All the reviews online are very positive.

TV: Aquos Sharp 65"
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Fronts: Klipsch RF-7 ii
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7s are awsome! smile.gif

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All the reviews online are very positive.

All reviews for every speaker is very positive. That's why the only thing that matters is measurements.
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The Zu speakers ur referring to were Souls? All the reviews online are very positive.
Assuming the reviews were legitimate, and that's a pretty good leap of faith in and of itself, it's hard to find a speaker owner who doesn't like his new speakers. Real reviews don't just wax poetic about intangibles, they at the very least measure frequency response on and off-axis. In-depth reviews open up the cab and look at everything inside, from the drivers to the crossover caps.
As for Zu in particular, they're not a bad speaker, but they're nothing special, are priced well above what the components used justify, and the claims that they make for them are just as honest and accurate as those that they make for their cables. mad.gif

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ShadyJ I'm taking ur advice and ditching the svs for 15" Klipsch SW

TV: Aquos Sharp 65"
PrePro: Marantz AV7701
Amp: Marantz MM7055
BDP: Marantz UD7007
Fronts: Klipsch RF-7 ii
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ShadyJ I'm taking ur advice and ditching the svs for 15" Klipsch SW

Only get the SW-115 if you can score a good street price for it. I don't think it is a great deal at its MSRP. For the same MSRP you can get a Hsu VTF3 which in all likelyhood would level the Sw-115.
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Only get the SW-115 if you can score a good street price for it. I don't think it is a great deal at its MSRP. For the same MSRP you can get a Hsu VTF3 which in all likelyhood would level the Sw-115.


So would the SVS PB-2000 and The PB-1000 would really challenge it.

http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/ported-box/pb-2000#.Uu3BipB6OGQ

http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/ported-box/PB-1000#.Uu3BuZB6OGQ

others..

http://reaction-audio.myshopify.com/collections/frontpage/products/bps-212-powered-subwoofer

http://www.rythmikaudio.com/LV12R.html

http://www.svsound.com/specials/outlet-specials/PB12-NSD#.Uu3CmZB6OGQ
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If the rumors about the PB2000's performance is true, it should come very close to the VTF3. However, none of these are really on the level of some Klipsch RF-7s. They are just better than the same priced SW-115. To keep up with a RF-7 I would go with something like a Rythmik FV15HP or a Hsu VTF15h at the very least. The RF-7 is a tremendously dynamic speaker. If you want something that is even more powerful but not as sizzling hot in the treble, like at some Pi Three or Fours with upgraded drivers. Those won't have as deep bass as the RF-7s, but who cares if a subwoofer is going to be taking over that range anyway. And they will be a lot more powerful than the RF-7s within their range. That is the kind of setup that will get you THX Reference levels easy.
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Street price for the SW-115 around $500.

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Rythmix FV15 it is!!

TV: Aquos Sharp 65"
PrePro: Marantz AV7701
Amp: Marantz MM7055
BDP: Marantz UD7007
Fronts: Klipsch RF-7 ii
Center: Klipsch RC-64 ii
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Two different sounds here. I mean night and day. Certainly the only way to decide would be with your ears in your room. I myself would be more attracted to the Klipsch for HT. You may also want to look at the JTR Noesis 228's. Fantastic for music and HT. A bargain for the quality of sound you get.
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Ok all parts ordered...

Emotiva UMC-200
Emotiva UPA-500
Klipsch RF-7 ii pair
Klipsch RC-64 ii
Rythmik F15HP

Expecting delivery mid-week. Thanks for input guys and gals.

TV: Aquos Sharp 65"
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BDP: Marantz UD7007
Fronts: Klipsch RF-7 ii
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Nice! Post pics and impressions!

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Hi - okay the rig is online and bada$$.

To assure it's being maximized I'm calling all audio geeks for help!

To what size should I set the RF-7 ii? Small or Large?
To what size should I set the RC-64? Small or Large?

If small for either one what hertz rate?
Hz for RF-7 ii fronts?
Hz for RC-64 ii?
Hz for Rythik F15HP?

Thx

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Fronts: Klipsch RF-7 ii
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TV: Aquos Sharp 65"
PrePro: Marantz AV7701
Amp: Marantz MM7055
BDP: Marantz UD7007
Fronts: Klipsch RF-7 ii
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Congrats. Can you move them apart more? I would move them apart and then angle them at the lp. As far as settings you should try them at different settings. I would set the center small and xo at 50-80hz. The mains you can try small 50-80hz and you can try them large. Feedback has been good for both settings. I have tried the mains set as many ways as you can think of and they all sound great. But i keep coming back to large. Just sounds a tiny bit bigger to my ears in my ht.
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Does bi-amping the RFs enhance them?

TV: Aquos Sharp 65"
PrePro: Marantz AV7701
Amp: Marantz MM7055
BDP: Marantz UD7007
Fronts: Klipsch RF-7 ii
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I would be surprised if it did

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Thx saved me spending $200 smackers on cabling

TV: Aquos Sharp 65"
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BDP: Marantz UD7007
Fronts: Klipsch RF-7 ii
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Hi - okay the rig is online and bada$$.

To assure it's being maximized I'm calling all audio geeks for help!

To what size should I set the RF-7 ii? Small or Large?
To what size should I set the RC-64? Small or Large?

If small for either one what hertz rate?
Hz for RF-7 ii fronts?
Hz for RC-64 ii?
Hz for Rythik F15HP?

Thx

I'm not a geek, but I hope I can help. smile.gif

If you have a sub, set your speakers to Small. Simple as that. All this is doing is telling your processor that you want to engage bass management and send bass from the "satellite" channels to the sub. If the UMC does not recommend crossover frequencies after it's setup routine is run (I'm not familiar with it), 80Hz is a good starting point. Work up or down from there until you get a good "lock" on the room.

If the processor is handling the bass management, you do not need to set a crossover frequency on the Rythmik. I believe that if you connect to the Rythmik via the LFE Input, the crossover adjustment is disabled. Due to the amount of adjustments available on Rythmik subs, I suggest you carefully study the Rythmik setup sheet for your sub and the wealth of setup information on the Rythmik website, including advice on phase alignment.

As well as pulling the RF's apart as has been suggested, I would also pull them forward such that the baffles are well clear of the front face of the entertainment unit. Most importantly, perhaps the biggest placement error you have there is the centre channel pushed way back on the unit. This may look OK, but the acoustically reflective surface directly in front of the speaker will be causing undue coloration of the sound you'll hear at the listening position, particularly in the mid to upper bass region. Pull the your centre channel as far forward as it will go, even to the point where it's overhanging the front of the unit if possible. I can almost guarantee you'll hear/feel an improvement in the mid to upper bass (150Hz - 250Hz), with better "warmth" and more tactile mid bass "punch".

Good luck and let us know how it goes. smile.gif
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Does bi-amping the RFs enhance them?

Passive bi-amping will not enhance any speaker. The RF's are no different.
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I studied a few white papers all describing bi-amping as improving sonic quality in my scenario:
Activating the bi-amp feature in my
UMC-200 so that the amp surround channels would emulate front channels, and then remove the plate linking my RF-7's binding posts and then run two sets of cables to each RF which have dedicated amplification delivered by my UPA-500.

Is this the passive bi-amping you're mentioning?

TV: Aquos Sharp 65"
PrePro: Marantz AV7701
Amp: Marantz MM7055
BDP: Marantz UD7007
Fronts: Klipsch RF-7 ii
Center: Klipsch RC-64 ii
Cables: Zu Mission, Kimber PBJ
Sub: Rythmik F15HP
Streamer: Apple TV / iPad
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I studied a few white papers all describing bi-amping as improving sonic quality in my scenario:
Activating the bi-amp feature in my
UMC-200 so that the amp surround channels would emulate front channels, and then remove the plate linking my RF-7's binding posts and then run two sets of cables to each RF which have dedicated amplification delivered by my UPA-500.

Is this the passive bi-amping you're mentioning?
Bi-amping that actually works uses an electronic crossover to split the high and low frequency band widths prior to being separately amplified, after which the two signals are sent to speakers that do not have passive crossovers. If those guidelines aren't followed there's nothing to be gained.
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