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I had to rebuild my system. I have a 65 inch lcd tv and a pair of b&w m-1 speakers with subwoofer. I was thinking of getting sony receiver 1040 or a sound bar. My friend says don't get a 2.1 system its old fashioned and not surround sound needed for tv. he suggested bose lifestyle 535. is a 2.1 system a bad idea for tv watching?

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2.1 is fine for TV viewing. Whatever you do, avoid Bose, your friend is not giving you good advice. What is your budget for a 2.1 system? How big is your room and how far away do you sit? Do you have space restrictions or someone who might oppose big speakers?

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it is a big room, sitting 11 feet away from tv. i have the following:

 

1) Bowers and Wilkins M1 speakers 2

2) Bowers and Wilkins center speaker

3) Bowers and Wilkins sub

 

my receiver went bad and I don't want to use my surround sound speakers which are in the ceiling. I want something simple at my tv that sounds ok for news and basic very tv watching. 

 

i want to spend less than $1500. I don't want to buy big speakers since I already have the b&ws. I wound not be opposed to b&w sound bar. 

 

my friend got the bose system and says i am going back to 1950 with a 2.1 or 3.1 system. 

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I think for just TV viewing those B&Ws you have will work fine. Just get a new receiver, I would recommend the Denon AVR-X1000. It comes with a good version of Audyssey to configure and calibrate your speakers and sub, and has all the features you will need.

Bose stands for "Buy Other Sound Equipment"

Subwoofers weren't even around in the 1950s, and most basic TV content doesn't have surround content. Your speakers will be fine, just tell your friend he wasted $3200 cool.gif

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you prefer the denon over sony 1040? 

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Friends don't let friends drive drunk or buy Bose. 2.1 is good for most TV. No one is giving you some choices for an upgrade. Take a look at this website. I have used then twice.
http://www.accessories4less.com
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Friends don't let friends drive drunk or buy Bose. 2.1 is good for most TV. No one is giving you some choices for an upgrade. Take a look at this website. I have used then twice.
http://www.accessories4less.com

well he is really in to the bose lifestyle, likes the receiver. seems to think a 2.1 or 3.1 system are out dated prefers 5.1.

 

how will my b&w speakers with a good receiver compare to b&w sound bar?

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If you watch movies a lot, then having 5.1 is great, if you are just watching TV, 2.1 is fine. There is no such thing as "out-dated", plenty of people still run 2.0 or 2.1, and a good pair of fronts can still envelop you in sound.

Yes I prefer the Denon over the Sony, the main reason being it comes with Audyssey MultEQ XT, which uses a microphone placed at your listening position to calibrate all the speakers and sub. Everyone has different acoustics in their room, so this software sets up your speakers so they work best in the given environment. Sony has a similar EQ but Audyssey is the best in my opinion.

2.1 will generally always be better than a sound bar. A sound bar doesn't give your speakers adequate spacing so the imaging will suffer. Also, with such a small profile, you have small drivers which limit dynamics and volume. A sound bar is always a compromise in terms of sound quality. Save your money and keep those B&Ws you have, just get a new receiver and be set.

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What is the Bose life style? Does he think that Bose is the only one with 5.1? The market is full of far better equipment. I have a Polk Audio system with a Onkyo AVR that is 7.2, using 9 speakers and not great big ones at that. They are the RM series. To day Polk has a new series called Blackstone. I have never thought of having a Polk life style, I have a SoCal life style. What I think is the great innovation of the last half dozen years so is the Audyssey set up program.
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Don't become a sheep. Is anything wrong with your speakers? If not just get a new receiver. I'm a fan of Marantz personally, buy you will get varying opinions on receivers, but only hate on BLOSE speakers. biggrin.gif

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Bose speakers have no tweeters and Bose systems have no real subwoofer. Therefor, when people say Bose, "no high or no lows", they ain't just hating...
Finding me one highly regarded speaker that has no tweeter.... Find me one highly regarded subwoofer that has the poor specs of the Bose base module...

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Gee's I was thinking the little cubs that they call speakers only had tweeter's. They are doing a great job of getting something ells out of an inch.
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If you watch movies a lot, then having 5.1 is great, if you are just watching TV, 2.1 is fine.
2.1 is fine for news or weather, or Dr. Phil, but almost every prime time TV show today is mixed and broadcast in 5.1. smile.gif Even the commercials.
OP, use the speakers you have. Get a new 5.1 AVR and you'll come in $1k under budget.
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Sound bars are better than internal TV speakers, but just. Using a sound bar with a 65" screen is totally illogical. Would you put twelve inch wheels on a Corvette? eek.gif
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2.1 is fine for news or weather, or Dr. Phil, but almost every prime time TV show today is mixed and broadcast in 5.1. smile.gif Even the commercials.

I should have reworded, "worthwhile surround content", who wants to hear Susie Q. coughing in the back row on Dr Phil... biggrin.gif

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Do you have any size requirement for your speakers?

I wouldn't get the B&W subwoofer as you will be over paying for it and its performance.

Use your current B&W's with a B&W Center, and SVS PB-1000 is a great place to start

The Sony STR-1040 is a decent reciever with great number of features
http://www.soundandvision.com/content/sony-str-dn1040-av-receiver
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Lets leave our Audiophile hats at the door......smile.gif

Say a man wants a Top Notch Soundbar under 1K that will use as much as much of the AVR's power as possible-or not waste 3 to 5 channels of it running a non biamped 2.1 system.

This is the fastest link to the product...I can find it it in an hour for 850USD so disregard the 1099.

Get a Def Tech Mythos SSA 50 5 channel Passive Soundbar if you have to go the Soundbar route.


http://www.crutchfield.com/S-yfzk9GjPkcT/p_735MYSSA50/Definitive-Technology-Mythos-SSA-50.html



With HDTV's mounted on walls and not having a media room....some want a Passive soundbar.

Help a bro out. +1 on the BOSE bashing but IMO people just need to answer the question.

If a man wants the best soundbar for the money...tell him what model.

The Def Tech is the only decent soundbar that you can use 5 channels of your AVR and drop a sub on to it for " quasi surround."

I go into a lot of 500K+ homes that do not have a dedicated HT room and have this DefTech SSA50 mounted under their wall mounted HDTV with a sub and it is fine for what he is looking for.

If you have a 10K system; would you want a guy with a 60K system saying yours is a POS? Rhetorical.

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...Get a Def Tech Mythos SSA 50 5 channel Passive Soundbar if you have to go the Soundbar route.

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-yfzk9GjPkcT/p_735MYSSA50/Definitive-Technology-Mythos-SSA-50.html

The Def Tech is the only decent soundbar that you can use 5 channels of your AVR and drop a sub on to it for " quasi surround."....

Couple other passive soundbars that will use 5 independent channels from an AVR ....

The BIC America FH56-BAR. (http://www.bicamerica.com/showpage.php?brand=2&type=19&spkrID=116). Can often be found for around $300. Amazon has the soundbar with a BIC Acoustech PL-200 sub packaged together for under $500. The soundbar self-configures for either 5.0 input or 3.0 input. With the latter the OP's M-1's would make very nice surround speakers. The FH56 has beefy, secure sound for a soundbar and easily handles a standard 80Hz crossover (its a bit bigger than the average soundbar).

Atlantic Technology FS-7.1-GLB. (http://www.amazon.com/Atlantic-Technology-FS-7-1-GLB-7-Channel-Acoustech/dp/B00EMI01DW/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1391640780&sr=8-4&keywords=bic+acoustech+pl-200). Currently on Amazon packaged with a BIC Acoustech PL-200 sub for $600. Caveat ... I've never heard it but Atlantic Technology typically make good gear.
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He already owns the B&W speakers, a sound bar will at best be about the same, so why spend the money unless space is an issue?

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i have a place for the B&W speakers, i have been thinking of getting sony 1040 receiver. what i am after is the best setup at the tv, no running of wires or rear speakers. i had a complicated system that no one in the house could operate but me, time to go simple. 

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i have a place for the B&W speakers, i have been thinking of getting sony 1040 receiver. what i am after is the best setup at the tv, no running of wires or rear speakers. i had a complicated system that no one in the house could operate but me, time to go simple. 
With todays modern universal remotes from Logitech its easy for everyone.

What is your size limitation on speakers? the budget of $1500 does that include the reciever?
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i have the b&w speakers, so i wouldn't buy any new ones. just the hub which would be a recover to my current speakers or scrap what i have and do an all in one solution, like a sound bar. 

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Yamaha has a very good soundbar. It can simulate surround pretty good too. Room dependent. I think it's about 800 bucks......no sub.
Look unless you are willing to go the length to get proper speakers..... You will end up with sonic compromises.
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I don't think any soundbar is going to be much of an upgrade over his current speakers. Just get a new receiver and keep what you have right now.

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He doesn't "want" a soundbar, he is asking what would be better...a new AVR with his existing speakers, or scrape that and get a soundbar. people are just recommending he skip the soundbar and go with the speakers he has! And I agree...I have a high end sound bar and thre speaker systems in my house. The soundbar ended up in my garage, where I can pull it out into the yard for a evening party. It is no where as good as even my Polk M40 system...

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I don't think any soundbar is going to be much of an upgrade over his current speakers. Just get a new receiver and keep what you have right now.

+1

Just do that for now and see how that goes. If you feel it's still lacking - then come back for more suggestions.
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