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post #91 of 114 Old 03-18-2014, 09:09 PM
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What the hell are you talking about. AB SWITCH bwteen speakers you can tell right away the difference.

Come think of it, you shouldnt spend more than 5 minutes on a speaker when you are AB switching. You get used to the sound of the speaker playing.

SO KEEP IT LESS THAN 5 minutes when AB switching per speaker. Ofcourse, play the same track etc.

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... no comprehension of the effects of a sensitivity delta. rolleyes.gif
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Well, not much to add to this thread; it is about the Sierra-2's tho, so what little I could add, I hope helps opinions somewhat lol smile.gif (be warned, it is a pretty short more expectedly biased review of them tongue.gif)

http://forum.ascendacoustics.com/showthread.php?5628-Sierra-2-s-Arrived!-D
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Looking to pick a set of these up. Which would you recommend for the center? The 2 or the Horizon?
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IMO the Horizon RAAL is the one to go with smile.gif
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Another Sierra is more than capable and many use 3 across the front. Full disclosure I have an Horizon with RAAL on order to use with my 2s. I may add two more later, but the 2s are so darn good I may not. I have no doubt you will be happy either way. Coming up on 3 months since I placed my order - the wait is killing me and a little frustrating to be honest. My Sierra 1 center has been doing a good job of filling in while I wait.
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What are people using for surrounds with the Sierra 2's? The only way I can squeeze these in my budget in a 5.1 system is if I get $500 (MAX - less is preffered) surrounds that aren't rear-ported, and hopefully not too big either. I emailed Ascend Acoustic yesterday about what they suggest so am waiting on their response. Would still like to see what others are using though. I plan on listening to some multi-channel music so I'd like the timbre to match.
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HTM-200 SE's as surrounds should work nicely. ~$330 sans tax. They do fit your description of requirements, and are timbre matched as well. The S-2's as front L&R work perfectly as a phantom center; imaging is spot on. Buying a center would put you over $500, if you go more than the HTM-200 SE's
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HTM-200 SE's as surrounds should work nicely. ~$330 sans tax. They do fit your description of requirements, and are timbre matched as well.

Appreciate the reply. Question though; aren't the 200's more so matched to the 340-SE's? How can they be so universal...especially with the RAAL tweeter?
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RAAL is certainly ideal, no doubt. But for $500, you do have the option of a S-2 phantom center, since imaging is no problem. As far as how timbre matching is done? I really wouldn't know, I'm sorry.

But, before purchasing any surrounds, I would give a phantom center a try.

Personally, I was never disappointed with any of the surrounds, I just moved to 2 ch stereo for multiple reasons, as you can probably see.. Less room than before, ext 2 ch DAC, the above reasons, and then some :P
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How does one set up a phantom center? I've only just heard of this. Do you just disable the center speaker?
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yep.
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How does one set up a phantom center? I've only just heard of this. Do you just disable the center speaker?


basically you will get center vocals with stereo set-up. (left/right) with speakers that have good imaging etc. So you don't really need a center channel.
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I have a pair of S2s and don't use a center channel and it works great. Not missing anything
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I believe the phantom center debate hinges on the listener's HT/Music preferences. For my listening preferences I couldn't go without center. Does the phantom center sound great on my Ascend Towers when listening to music? It absolutely does. But for HT, I run my Horizon a few dbs hot to improve dialog intelligibility. Having that flexibility is key for me.
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Phantom center works great, but when you start moving away from the center listening position, the less well it works.....with any speaker.
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Remember to toe in speakers slightly for better imaging. And get them away from side walls for better soundstagr and imaging.
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Dave emailed me back. He said the 170 are what he uses as surrounds for his L/C/R S2's in his demo room. He said just having the RAAL up front with 170's in the back will sound will sound better than a dome tweeter with matching timbre all around.

I think I'm going to have to try the S2's out. Looks like the HTM-200 uses the same tweeter as the 170 so it shouldn't be that much of a difference in sound.

Wondering if anyone went from a phantom center to a S2 center and can comment on how it sounds. Can anyone with all three up front do a test on turning off the center when listening to movies and report a comparison?
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I think I'm going to have to try the S2's out. Looks like the HTM-200 uses the same tweeter as the 170 so it shouldn't be that much of a difference in sound.

Acoustic measurement comparisons will show the similarities between all of their monitors (It's essentially your eyes hearing the difference, if that makes much sense):

http://ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/SRM2/srm2meas.html

http://ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/cbm170/cbm170meas.html

http://ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/htm200/htm200meas.html

They honestly are 'just close enough', to where each doesn't sound unlike the other. Cumulative Spectral Decay images are pretty awesome, IMO (frequency linearity, dB volume, time duration, and residual energy decay, all in one). Ribbon's have close to zero decay, and a near linear spectrum at just about all volume levels, contrary to domes. It is also a reason they will sound different, as well as more accurate. However, accuracy and preference don't 'always' go hand in hand; it is worth adjusting to nonetheless, if you haven't already. Basically, you'll begin to recognize more flaws than you know are there. The flip side of which, is discovering all of the positive's that have been hidden away. These are the consequences and benefits of hearing realism; they are Real.

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Any new news about the Sierra 2? Did Geocab decide between these or the Philly's? Enquiring minds want to know:)
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Any new news about the Sierra 2? Did Geocab decide between these or the Philly's? Enquiring minds want to know:)

He started a dedicated thread as well...

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1518268/dialogue-too-quiet-tv-speakers-looking-to-add-5-1-or-other-solution/90#post_24549788

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S2's are the main choice, but I liked the Phils too and decided to keep them for my second zone.
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Dave emailed me back. He said the 170 are what he uses as surrounds for his L/C/R S2's in his demo room. He said just having the RAAL up front with 170's in the back will sound will sound better than a dome tweeter with matching timbre all around.

I think I'm going to have to try the S2's out. Looks like the HTM-200 uses the same tweeter as the 170 so it shouldn't be that much of a difference in sound.

Wondering if anyone went from a phantom center to a S2 center and can comment on how it sounds. Can anyone with all three up front do a test on turning off the center when listening to movies and report a comparison?

I run 3 S2s up front, I ran it in stereo which cuts out the center and it sounds really good, I had to keep putting my ear to the center to make sure it wasn't turned on. Even at low volumes at -40 on the avr its very clear and dialog is easy to hear, I had it at -60 on the avr too and it's still very easy to hear the dialog. So even at extremely low volumes having no center sounds really good over the S2s. After a few minutes I forgot I turned off the center... So it does sound really good but when I turn the center back on it sounds better, clearer... I'd recommend going with all 3 up front but just the LR isn't lacking, sounds really good but when you turn the center back on the things that should be in the center are more clear. I have the HTM-200 as my rears and they work great with the S2 but after my sub upgrade getting the S2s as my rears will be the next thing. I notice your post is over a week old.. Woulda answered sooner but I spend my time in the sub part as for speakers with the S2 I have no need to be in the speaker part anymore cause these things are really that awesome and are much better than I thought they'd be, I just don't have any desire to buy another speaker not named the Sierra-2, I love the smaller size but they don't sound small you'd swear they were big speakers, so if I buy another speaker it'll be the S2 again but in different finish to try out.
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I have 2 Sierra 2's up front with no center. It sounds great as long as you aren't too far on each side it produces the center very well. However there are times I know it's a little off and do plan on buying another S2 for the center. I do want to get another but I don't feel that it's an urgent upgrade. I also need a sub and surrounds and since the phantom center is working just fine I feel that these will enhance my experience much more and these are all I can afford for now. Early 2015 I will purchase the center.
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