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Ascend's new Sierra-2 has a product page up on their website now.

http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/SRM2/srm2.html

If you are in the market for a bookshelf, check these out!

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I think it's extremely smart of dave to allow people to satisfy the inevitable upgrade itch without switching manufacturers or even speaker cabinets. I hope there's lots of impressions in this thread for me to read over and over until I'm able to do the upgrade for my own Sierras
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I think it's extremely smart of dave to allow people to satisfy the inevitable upgrade itch without switching manufacturers or even speaker cabinets. I hope there's lots of impressions in this thread for me to read over and over until I'm able to do the upgrade for my own Sierras
There are impressions in the dedicated Sierra thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/849859/the-official-ascend-acoustics-sierra-thread

And over on Ascend's own forum in a few threads as well. Here's the main one:
http://forum.ascendacoustics.com/showthread.php?5557-New-Sierra-2-impressions

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Would you rather have a sierra-2 or a sierra tower NrT? The towers are only a little bit more money. If space wasn't an issue which would you rather have?
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Would you rather have a sierra-2 or a sierra tower NrT? The towers are only a little bit more money. If space wasn't an issue which would you rather have?

Really depends on your preferences...I guess...but here is what the man behind both designs had to say. I know many are in awe of the S2 but something has to be said about a true 3 way like the tower vs. a monitor trying to do both....JMO.

http://forum.ascendacoustics.com/showthread.php?4978-Sierra-2-Development-Thread&p=47049#post47049

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Would you rather have a sierra-2 or a sierra tower NrT? The towers are only a little bit more money. If space wasn't an issue which would you rather have?

I would take the bookshelf with the RAAL tweeter over the tower with NrT in a second - assuming you are using a decent sub(s). Honestly I have owned a lot of different speakers in the 38 years I have been involved with this hobby/obsession, many more expensive then the 2s, Dave has created something very special with his custom tweeter and woofer. For the past month I have listened to more 2 channel music in pure mode since I bought my first Oppo 5 years ago. I've also spent about $400 over the past month on adding to my SACD collection because of these speakers. They are very musical for their size, it is almost scary what they are capable of and they also do a great job as part of my HT.

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Would you rather have a sierra-2 or a sierra tower NrT? The towers are only a little bit more money. If space wasn't an issue which would you rather have?

I have both Sierra Towers with the RAAL tweeters, a new set of Sierra-2s, and a set of Sierra-1s with the NRT tweeters. When I got the new Sierra-2s, I compared them directly with my Towers in a stereo system in my shop, in a quick switched AB-AB configuration. Currently the Towers, and my NRTs are in that configuration and the Twos have been integrated as surrounds in my theater system.

Long story short, the Sierra-2s are so very close in performance to the Towers, it's downright astonishing. They would be MY pick over the NRT Towers without question. I would have expected the dynamic performance due to the dedicated midrange to be a serious advantage in the three way design of the Towers, but I have to tell you Seas did an absolutely incredible job with the new mid/bass driver in the Sierra-2s. Not nearly as much performance delta there as I would have expected.

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I do in fact...believe if you pressed Dave on which one...he'd likely chose the S2....but some weight ought to be given with regards to Dave referencing music or HT as a priority in his post. I know exactly how the RAAL sounds...as I have one in my STC so I'm not that outta touch with reality on how they would compare....YYMV.

I guess we all hear differently...maybe, if I was to do it over again, I could have gone with the RAALs...but I'm in a very happy place with my current setup...smile.gif

Ps: I have a guy coming over this weekend to hear the Towers as he is looking to buy the S2...maybe I should tell him not to come...because its not a good frame of reference & he'll be disappointed.
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I wish to publicly thank Bill for his kind invitation to listen to his setup. Apparently the beast that is the SVS SB13 Ultra will also be on hand for the occasion. Bonus!

I just know this is going to cost me way more than I had in mind when I first started down this path...surprise surprise rolleyes.gif

It's so gratifying to see people like Bill and others on this thread (and AVS in general) genuinely extend their helping hands to fellow hobbyists.
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Ps: I have a guy coming over this weekend to hear the Towers as he is looking to buy the S2...maybe I should tell him not to come...because its not a good frame of reference & he'll be disappointed.
What say the last 2 posters...confused.gif

Plans have already been made, I think it would be unnecessary at this point to cancel. The NRTs are great, the RAALs even better. If you can send a mono signal to the Horizon, you can demonstrate what the RAALS bring to the party.

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I've had my plans set for months on towers but now I think I am going to get the Sierra-2's. I am going to order these with dual Rythmik lv12r. Does anyone know if they have the 2's ready to go or are they built when ordered?
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Plans have already been made, I think it would be unnecessary at this point to cancel. The NRTs are great, the RAALs even better. If you can send a mono signal to the Horizon, you can demonstrate what the RAALS bring to the party.

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Well...I'm looking to gain another local guy to have as a contact for any potential down the road GTG...I've meet a lot of good people over the years...you don't have to look any further then the avs member who has lent me his Svs SB13u for nearly 3 months. I'm fully aware of some of the speakers this member (fuzzione) has auditioned and I think the Ascends will be a strong contender for him(btw he contacted me)...if he decides to go with the S2's..this would give me an excellent opportunity to hear them for myself.

Anyhow he started his own thread on the subject here @ AVS...my only concern is his room size but I know the SQ will be there with the Sierras!!!


I would call them but my senses tell me you'd likely need to pre-order them as they're assembled when all the cabinets arrive....with limited stock on hand.
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I've had my plans set for months on towers but now I think I am going to get the Sierra-2's. I am going to order these with dual Rythmik lv12r. Does anyone know if they have the 2's ready to go or are they built when ordered?

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I ordered a pair of these and a pair of Philharmonitors to see which set I like better in my room. I've never heard either of these products so I'm looking forward to the comparison.
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I ordered a pair of these and a pair of Philharmonitors to see which set I like better in my room. I've never heard either of these products so I'm looking forward to the comparison.

Let us know what you think, I'm interested to the results.
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Hey Guys...I had just had a wonderful time with another member who came by today to demo my Sierras. As a matter of fact he stopped by a local HiFi shop and auditioned some Psb Synchrony One B...to use as a barometer...for his visit.....other recent auditions include the Focal Aria 906 & 807v, MA and Def Tech to name a few. I know the S2's are on his radar(so are the psb) and he has already talked with Dave and awaiting a reply. He never heard a ribbon or for that matter the RAAL and within a very short time he was able to discern its likely the best tweeter he has experienced...he really like the One B but he preferred RAAL in the STC....he is now actually thinking about going with the RAAL Horizon across the front....he enjoyed the Towers with the NrT but in his words the Horizon is the best speaker he has heard to date...I agree, with him... the RAAL it's so realistic and lifelike it must be heard to be fully understood.

Anyhow...I just thought I'd chime in to complete an earlier post...I don't know if he'll post his experiences here on AVS...in a current thread he has started. I welcomed him to post his thoughts about today. I don't want to start paraphrasing what he said...he can better describe what he heard....if inclined..cool.gif

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Btw...he really liked the subs too....never experienced <30hz LFE before...I was more than glad to help out in that area as well....biggrin.gif
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Great speakers. I'm revisiting all of my music collection as I can't stop listening to them!!!!

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Hey Guys...I had just had a wonderful time with another member who came by today to demo my Sierras. As a matter of fact he stopped by a local HiFi shop and auditioned some Psb Synchrony One B...to use as a barometer...for his visit.....other recent auditions include the Focal Aria 906 & 807v, MA and Def Tech to name a few. I know the S2's are on his radar(so are the psb) and he has already talked with Dave and awaiting a reply. He never heard a ribbon or for that matter the RAAL and within a very short time he was able to discern its likely the best tweeter he has experienced...he really like the One B but he preferred RAAL in the STC....he is now actually thinking about going with the RAAL Horizon across the front....he enjoyed the Towers with the NrT but in his words the Horizon is the best speaker he has heard to date...I agree, with him... the RAAL it's so realistic and lifelike it must be heard to be fully understood.

Anyhow...I just thought I'd chime in to complete an earlier post...I don't know if he'll post his experiences here on AVS...in a current thread he has started. I welcomed him to post his thoughts about today. I don't want to start paraphrasing what he said...he can better describe what he heard....if inclined..cool.gif

Cheers, Bill

Btw...he really liked the subs too....never experienced <30hz LFE before...I was more than glad to help out in that area as well....biggrin.gif


I am that member who enjoyed a fine afternoon today in Billy's audio playground. What a gracious host. Spared no effort and courtesy to make me feel like I was sitting in my own living room (except surrounded by far better equipment).

Indeed Billy has paraphrased my thoughts accurately with the exception that I also auditioned the Paradigm Studio 20 v5 and PSB Imagine B offerings today. I'm not sure if anyone in this thread is really that interested in hearing about my specific observations on the various speakers, as it will merely amount to yet another opinion by someone who may have an altogether different set of ears. However, what may be most relevant to this thread is that to these ears, the 70 20 Raal fitted Horizon represented an exceptional experience surpassing all other speakers I've yet auditioned. Some by a wide margin.

I'm very sensitive to midrange coloration from speakers. Particularly those caused by cabinet resonance at certain frequencies. Anomalies created by improperly crossed driver frequencies resulting in 'bump's and other unnatural 'additives' to the sound for the purpose of getting around design/component limitations, are other characteristics I can usually detect. Of course, it goes without saying that harsh tweeters and bloaty woofers are more obviously discerned and as far as I'm concerned, unilaterally discarded as possible buying options.

The Raal Horizion without doubt is devoid of such imperfections, at least to my ears. The cabinet construction is among the most robust, inert, effectively designed units I've yet encountered and the crossover wizardry seems to be spot on for that cabinet. For my benefit, Billy was kind enough to put his NrT towers and Horizon (Raal) through a series of AB tests using multiple source materials and I believe the comparisons were quite revealing as to the characteristics of each. While personal tastes in this regard can certainly vary, Billy made a valid case for the STC holding the advantage for music while the towers, due to their perceived slightly more dynamic character, held the advantage for HT. Personally, I preferred the Horizon for both functions but the distinctions here are more subtle than dramatic. Besides, for my application, towers are out due to space restraints. The Raal Horizon was to my ears extremely clear, realistic, flat, detailed, uncolored, dynamic and non-fatiguing.

One thing became clear to me...that it would represent a travesty should anyone regard a Raal-equipped Horizon as 'merely' a center speaker for clear speech. It is much more than that. I'm currently rethinking my initial urge to simply order 3 of the new S2's for the front stage; perhaps 3 x Raal Horizons would work better for me. But we are certainly talking a major increase in price here as between the two choices so I'm still on the fence.

I tip my hat to David. His first class designs and considerable efforts appear to have manifested in truly outstanding products.

I would indeed be interested in learning more about a 3-S2 front stage vs. a 3-Raal Horizon setup and the differences as between the two that one may expect. Where Raal's are concerned...does size really matter?

Oh and thanks for the sub-30hz experience too Billy, my pant legs have finally stopped moving.
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It doesn't fit my space so I've never considered it, but Horizon's LCR has always sounded like it would be a great setup.

'Course now I'm dying to hear the new Sierra 2's wink.gif
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Ii will. Hopefully I'll be able to convey what I hear.

Awesome George! I just upgraded my Sierra-1 NrT's to the Sierra-2's and could not be happier. The combination of the custom RAAL tweeter and new SEAS woofer are nothing short of spectacular.

Definitely looking forward to your comparison!
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Awesome George! I just upgraded my Sierra-1 NrT's to the Sierra-2's and could not be happier. The combination of the custom RAAL tweeter and new SEAS woofer are nothing short of spectacular.

Definitely looking forward to your comparison!

Since you had the NRTs, and have upgraded to the Sierra-2 drivers, I wonder if you could comment on what your thoughts are concerning the bass output. Several have commented that they don't have the bass output of the Sierra-1s, and some (including myself) think that they are very close in the depth of their bass reproduction, just cleaner, tighter, and probably more linear in frequency response.

Bass performance is usually considered a significant performance parameter, obviously if a subwoofer is integrated into the system, this topic loses much of it's value. I'm still curious as to what other folks impressions are of the Sierra-2s bass performance.

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Pardon my ignorance, I'm new to bookshelf speakers, but is there a bookshelf speaker out there that wouldn't benefit from a sub? I just can't picture them producing good bass with their smaller enclosures, compared to a floor standing tower.

Again, I'm new to these so a serious question.
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Pardon my ignorance, I'm new to bookshelf speakers, but is there a bookshelf speaker out there that wouldn't benefit from a sub? I just can't picture them producing good bass with their smaller enclosures, compared to a floor standing tower.

Again, I'm new to these so a serious question.

Beyond that, subs are important to systems with tower speakers as well. Bass response is heavily influenced by room acoustics, as well as speaker position, and listener position. Mains are rarely placed for optimum bass performance, and multiple subs are effective at maintaining more even response across multiple listening positions throughout the space.

The thing is, some forego a sub/subs for any number of reasons, and some speakers perform acceptably well for some people without subwoofers. Personal preference is the operant phrase here.

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Ah yes, the bass. How can I describe the difference? With the NrT's which had the standard Sierra-1 woofer, I had a set of the open-ended Q-Plugs in the ports. I have not tried them with the Sierra-2's. That alone gave the initial impression of "more", or fuller bass with the new woofer. I will say that for the majority of what I have listened to a sub would not be missed. Bass may not dig as deeply but it is faster, tighter and more detailed. I'd say other than the amazing RAAL tweeter producing very realistic highs and the SEAS woofer doing an amazing job down low, the mids are simply outstanding. They can take gobs of power without complaint and have great dynamics.
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Awesome George! I just upgraded my Sierra-1 NrT's to the Sierra-2's and could not be happier. The combination of the custom RAAL tweeter and new SEAS woofer are nothing short of spectacular.

Definitely looking forward to your comparison!

Hey, I just realized that you're in the Northeast Ohio thread. You're welcome to come by when I get them and help me compare. Another set of ears would be helpful. Unless you have animal allergies, that would be a problem.
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Hey, I just realized that you're in the Northeast Ohio thread. You're welcome to come by when I get them and help me compare. Another set of ears would be helpful. Unless you have animal allergies, that would be a problem.

I'm in Strongsville. I was at G-Bartman's GTG back in 2010 and you were there. Let me know when you have both speakers and I will check my schedule for a good time that works for us both.
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Will do. Sierras are arriving Tuesday. The other pair? Not sure. I'll message you when they arrive.
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I'm bumping the thread so it'll be closer to the top for impending impressions! This speaker forum moves QUICK!

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I have both pairs of speakers. I am going to try and have a quick listen tonight but am going to wait a couple of days before I post my impressions so I can give them a good amount of listening time.
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I have both pairs of speakers. I am going to try and have a quick listen tonight but am going to wait a couple of days before I post my impressions so I can give them a good amount of listening time.

Very cool, have fun,istenng and I look forward to your impressions.

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