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Did I mention the USA?

And it's quite obvious you don't buy from the another country (well I did for sub and power amplifier, DVD player but that's beside the point) , I was just giving examples of very cheap and nasty £150 for 5.0 speaker system. It would be better if you spend £150 on a pair of bookshelf speakers.

I'm sorry if that went over your head.

Google searches for £ prices don't make you a UK resident. People who live in UK don't feel the need to constantly remind where they are from with £ quotes.

The ones that REALLY live in UK help with searches from the OP country.

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Hey OP,

For where you are right now, and what you need, an idea might be to go to towers with subs in them. Would probably work in your space, plus fit in your budget for now.

I used to have a set of Sound Dynamics (made in Canada) RTS-P100s which had 100W MOSFET amps built into them to drive 2 x 6.5" powered woofers. Not 12" sub territory, but better bass than I got out of the PSW-10 I bought based on price (it truly is a poor sub). If you can't find a set on Kijiji, I've seen a few on Canuck Audio Mart. And if you want to add a centre channel, RTS-C1 and RTS-C2 speakers are out there, as are RTS-3's that can eventually be added for surrounds. Very good Canadian speakers, and usually available for cheap due to an unfamiliarity with the brand.

If you have no luck with the SD's, I've seen a few of the Athena SCT series starting to show up. When API (Audio Products International - the owner of Mirage, Energy, and SD/Athena before being bought out by Klipsch) discontinued the SD line, they replaced them with Athena. There is the Audition series, very good budget speakers, but limited in that their towers were only two-ways (despite having 1 or 2 woofers). However, the SCTs were a modular series, with a couple of different top (tweeter/mid) combos, and a couple of different bottom (powered subwoofer) sizes. These have been starting to show up on Kijiji as well.

I tried one of the discount Energy subs Future Shop now has (a 10") as an experiment - I'd suggest staying away from these too. Very lightweight, and let's remember, the Klipsch Group has been bought by Audiovox - think this sub shows how far the brand has fallen from the days of the Connoisseur lines. But used is the way to go - I think I paid about $125 used for my RTS-P100s; original retail was in the $1,200 range.

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OP, look for this at Best Buy (Canada)
Infinity P253
Boston Acoustics CS260 II
Polk Audio PSW125

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Okay so here's how it is right now. I have purchased the following speakers listed below. I heard the floor standing ones in store and they sounded really good. The price seemed good also. I had to order them though as they did not have any in stock. Same with the matching bookshelf speakers. The centre channel I'm going to return cause it's 4Ohm instead of 8Ohm as listed on both the BB and official product website. But I found another (4th link) for $70 on kijiji. It's a bit bigger but it's 8Ohm as advertised.

http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/precision-acoustics-precision-acoustics-classic-150-watt-tower-speaker-ct26-pair-ct26/10205586.aspx?path=81abcb9385d6868cf4c2ff6bfd0ce422en02

http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/precision-acoustics-precision-acoustics-classic-bookshelf-speakers-cb4-black-two-speakers-cb4/10205584.aspx?path=72020e11cb449162de2690e0552b6fa8en02

http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/precision-acoustics-precision-acoustics-classic-center-channel-speaker-cc24-black-cc24/10205587.aspx?path=950dad4f9d50cf073498349da7b7b98aen02

http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/precision-acoustics-2-way-center-channel-speaker-hd-c/10101486.aspx?path=47ed6bc0cf45582d67fa6ee5a5f337b8en02

Now I have come across the following Sony receiver and think it's good deal also. I haven't had any issues in my experience with Sony over the years.

http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-electronics-Sony-STR-DH720-7-1-HDMI-Receiver-W0QQAdIdZ570986664

But I've also come across this Bose Cinemate and think it's a really good deal for a used system compared to brand new. $120 vs $649 + tax.

http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-electronics-Systeme-de-son-W0QQAdIdZ571257811

I want to spend my money very wisely as I don't have a lot to begin with. The Bose seems like a great option cause I like the simplicity as don't want to fuss with lots of wires and whatnot. But I also really like those tower speakers and the Sony receiver seems like a good deal also. If I take the tower speakers and the Sony receiver and later add a sub that's all I'd want or need. But the price of the Bose system financially makes sense for me right now. I just don't want to turn down the tower speakers and Sony receiver and end up losing out on a great starter kit. I also heard the Bose system in store as well and to me it sounded great. What do you guys think??
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I wouldn't waste my money on any of those speakers.

Krell Evolution 900e x 7

Bose Jewel speakers.

 

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I wouldn't waste my money on any of those speakers.

And why not?? Like I said I listened to them in the store and they sounded really good. Plus the towers are $130 a pair (not each) which seems to be a great price. Plus that brand seems to have overall great reviews. As for the Bose. I like the simple set up and they also sounded great. Plus $120 used as opposed to $650 + tax new seems like a steal.
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$130 floorstanders are going to be terrible quality.

Look for a second hand pair of standmounts, ie B&W 601 or Kef Q15, or similar.

Not white van man speakers.

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$130 floorstanders are going to be terrible quality.

Look for a second hand pair of standmounts, ie B&W 601 or Kef Q15, or similar.

Not white van man speakers.

Well I correct myself in that it's $150 a pair not $130. But also something to note is that they are previous generation hence the low price. The current gen models is $700 a pair.
http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/precision-acoustics-precision-acoustics-200-watt-tower-speaker-hd35t-pair-hd35t/10212374.aspx?path=8ec7c7fae2914942b46808f67d848976en02
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And why not?? Like I said I listened to them in the store and they sounded really good. Plus the towers are $130 a pair (not each) which seems to be a great price. Plus that brand seems to have overall great reviews. As for the Bose. I like the simple set up and they also sounded great. Plus $120 used as opposed to $650 + tax new seems like a steal.
If your budget is that low forget towers. Get a decent pair of bookshelf speakers. They will sound better than the PA towers anyway.

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Well I correct myself in that it's $150 a pair not $130. But also something to note is that they are previous generation hence the low price. The current gen models is $700 a pair.
http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/precision-acoustics-precision-acoustics-200-watt-tower-speaker-hd35t-pair-hd35t/10212374.aspx?path=8ec7c7fae2914942b46808f67d848976en02

$150 towers will still sound crap.

Anyway you just want people to agree with you, that $150 towers are a wise investment. They're not

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$150 towers will still sound crap.

Anyway you just want people to agree with you, that $150 towers are a wise investment. They're not

Well given my limited finances I think $150/pair is a good price. I'm only making around $18,000 a year (Canadian) after taxes which in case you didn't know is not a whole lot. So I need to be careful with my money. Yes I could save up for a few years and eventually get a good system. Or I could splurge now and also get a good system and in the long run save money. If I bought the new model of these speakers that's $700 + tax. That's just the front tower speakers. I can get a whole system for much less then that if I shop around properly. That's what I'm trying to do.
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$150/pair is not a good price for crappy speakers. If you want crappy speakers find something used for $30/pair. Then you can say you saved some money.
If you were in the US I would make some suggestions but I dont know whats available in Canada.

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$130 floorstanders are going to be terrible quality.

Look for a second hand pair of standmounts, ie B&W 601 or Kef Q15, or similar.

Not white van man speakers.

$150 is a low price point for floorstanders, but Fry's among others sometimes offer Primus P363 for prices in that range. They are fine speakers that compare well, both technically and based on well-designed listening tests,. to speakers costing 10 times as much or more:






The same basic speaker is highly reviewed by Stereophile here:

http://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/605infinity




There is a lauditory technical review of another member of the Primus line which uses some the same drivers here:

http://www.soundstagenetwork.com/measurements/speakers/infinity_primus_p162/

I am personally familiar with the P163 and 363.
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Frys deliver to Canada?

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We're not talking about $500 floorstanders, we're talking about $150 floorstanders.

My first floorstanders were Kef Coda 9. Ok, but pretty cheapy, I'd would buy the Kef Coda 8 instead.

and I hope you're not saying because of giving FR of a speaker, not the same dross as "all amps sound the same?" rolleyes.gif

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The p363 are $660/pair at Frys now anyway. No help there.

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To the OP-
All that matters is that you and your ears are happy with your purchase. (You stated you purchased those speakers, so I am assuming you bought them). Of course there are better speakers out there. But if what you have sounds good to YOUR ears stick with it. Sure its cool to say you have some highend brands, but you might consider it a waste of your money. If you are happy with the sound of your set-up that is all that matters.

BTW's Fry's did have a sale on Infinity P363 towers for $109/each (It is now long gone though.)
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Woops. He did say he already bought those didnt he. My bad. Good choice.

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Well, and you have to start somewhere. My first "real" speakers were Quest big bookshelves (Future Shop's version of the BB Precision Acoustics), with a 6.5" woofer and a 1" silk dome tweeter (Q610). These sounded way better than anything I owned before.

Then I upgraded from the Kenwood amp to an H/K and heard a world of difference, especially at volume.

Then I gave the Quests to a buddy who was using white van speakers....he couldn't believe how good they sounded. I paired the H/K with some Athenas, which were fantastic, and again a step up.

Now I'm running NAD/Wharfedale, though some JBLs may be coming home soon.

OP, hope you enjoy what you bought. However, if you do end up with some buyer's remorse at some point, and you are close to a parcel service in the US, Fry's does have JBL ES80s for $144 each plus free shipping right now. Think you'd find these a step up from the PAs. However, if the PAs are all that your budget can handle, enjoy them!

Though I still would recommend something in a slightly used Denon or Onkyo vs. the Sony to drive your speakers. The better power supplies on them make a huge difference when you're driving the speakers.

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All that matters is that you and your ears are happy with your purchase. (You stated you purchased those speakers, so I am assuming you bought them). Of course there are better speakers out there. But if what you have sounds good to YOUR ears stick with it. Sure its cool to say you have some highend brands, but you might consider it a waste of your money. If you are happy with the sound of your set-up that is all that matters.

BTW's Fry's did have a sale on Infinity P363 towers for $109/each (It is now long gone though.)

Well I've purchased them but I have not received them yet. They had to order them cause there was none in stock except for the centre channel speaker. Speaking of which. The centre channel speaker specifications were incorrectly labelled on the box and rear of the speaker. They're labeled as being 4Ohm impedance when in fact they are 8Ohm impedance. I emailed Precision Acoustics about it and they said it was an error in the printing of the boxes. However I'm still considering returning the centre channel and cancelling the rear surround speakers. If I really want them down the road I can get those later. For now I think a 2.1 set up would more than satisfy. Once I'm in my own apartment I can add the other three in. Plus if I wait I can save for better front (left and right) and centre speakers and move these PA towers to the rear for surrounds. I've heard of others doing that and it seems to work for them.

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Well, and you have to start somewhere. My first "real" speakers were Quest big bookshelves (Future Shop's version of the BB Precision Acoustics), with a 6.5" woofer and a 1" silk dome tweeter (Q610). These sounded way better than anything I owned before.

Then I upgraded from the Kenwood amp to an H/K and heard a world of difference, especially at volume.

Then I gave the Quests to a buddy who was using white van speakers....he couldn't believe how good they sounded. I paired the H/K with some Athenas, which were fantastic, and again a step up.

Now I'm running NAD/Wharfedale, though some JBLs may be coming home soon.

OP, hope you enjoy what you bought. However, if you do end up with some buyer's remorse at some point, and you are close to a parcel service in the US, Fry's does have JBL ES80s for $144 each plus free shipping right now. Think you'd find these a step up from the PAs. However, if the PAs are all that your budget can handle, enjoy them!

Though I still would recommend something in a slightly used Denon or Onkyo vs. the Sony to drive your speakers. The better power supplies on them make a huge difference when you're driving the speakers.

Well as you stated you have to start some where. I've used Sony previously and it's the brand of my current stereo being used with my TV. My dad had a Sony receiver and TV in the house when I was younger. Plus I'm a Sony guy when it comes to Playstation as I've owned all three at one time or another and they've worked great. Plus this Sony receiver is $160 used and it's the newest used receiver I can find so far with HDMI v1.4.
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