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Looking for some reviews regarding these speakers along with a recommendation of a subwoofer to go with one of these pairs. Thanks.
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You might want to be a little more patient. This is a largely US based forum, and it was the middle of the night. In fact just after 7 am here on the east coast now!wink.gif
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I would go with the Cambridge Audio SX-50 over the Energy CB-5. Klipsch and Cambridge Audio are completely different sounding speakers. You should try to demo them.

Best place for researching about subwoofers and getting recommendations is the AVS subwoofer forum.
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You might want to be a little more patient. This is a largely US based forum, and it was the middle of the night. In fact just after 7 am here on the east coast now!wink.gif

Agreed. Even during the middle of the day, you should be more patient. This is not a company help desk. LOL

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Looking for some reviews regarding these speakers along with a recommendation of a subwoofer to go with one of these pairs. Thanks.

Need to know your budget and if you are in the USA.

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I live In Southern California.

I'm looking to spend up to $300 on the pair of bookshelf speakers (of which cannot be taller than 9 inches) and around $200 for a good clean subwoofer to compliment.
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I live In Southern California.

I'm looking to spend up to $300 on the pair of bookshelf speakers (of which cannot be taller than 9 inches) and around $200 for a good clean subwoofer to compliment.

Cambridge S30
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/CAMBS30OAK/CAMBRIDGE-AUDIO-S30-4-2-way-Bookshelf-Speakers-Pair-Dark-Oak/1.html

Mordaunt Short Aviano 7 - and it is a clean subwoofer, and can hit 25 hz > and can
blend well with the S30
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/MORDAVI7BL/Mordaunt-Short-Aviano-7-10-175-Watt-Powered-Subwoofer-Black/1.html

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. . . around $200 for a good clean subwoofer to compliment.

I'm not sure that there is any such beast. Probably going to have to raise your budget a little. It's a common misconception that one can spend less money on a sub than their speakers in this budget range and get good quality from a budget subwoofer. A sub is a big speaker, a big enclosure, AND an amplifier. A sub is big and heavy and costs a lot to ship. All $200 subs going to include some major design compromises.

If you want good sound, I think you need to raise your budget to the Aviano 7 sub that Jim mentioned.

What make/model receiver/amp do you have for the speakers?

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My receiver is a denon x1000.

Budget has $100 +/- flex if it's going to be a difference maker.
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Just checked out the klipsch rb-41 II at a local frys and was not impressed. I heard the energy power 10 with it and was let down as well. So far Ilike the energy cb-5 over klipsch. Does anyone know where it can demo the Cambridge?
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Just checked out the klipsch rb-41 II at a local frys and was not impressed. I heard the energy power 10 with it and was let down as well. So far Ilike the energy cb-5 over klipsch. Does anyone know where it can demo the Cambridge?

No real place to demo - I have owned them, and will take them over Klipsch and the CB Energy.

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No real place to demo - I have owned them, and will take them over Klipsch and the CB Energy.

Your call

Thanks.  Is there a major difference between the S30 and the SX-50? Or is the SX-50 just the newer model?

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Thanks.  Is there a major difference between the S30 and the SX-50? Or is the SX-50 just the newer model?
I have not listened to the SX-50 > however, they look like a diluted version of the S30.
The S30 weighs more, and looks to be better built.

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Thank you all for contributing and helping me out.  I have narrowed it down to the Energy CB-5 (only because I actually heard them and really liked them) VS the Cambridge S30 (i have not heard them, but those who have, rave about it).  

 

It boils down to the subwoofer choice now, and im torn between all of the ones that were recommended:

 

NXG-BAS-500

Mordaunt-Short Aviano 7

SVS SB-1000 (out of my price range, but heard alot of good things, and the size is good)

 

I had considered the BIC F12, but parsing through a lot of the reviews, from what I understood, it is mostly a "boom-boom" type of sub.  The original sub I heard with the Energy CB-5 was the Energy ESW-C10.  I liked it alot, but out of my proposed price range at $430.  

 

If you wouldnt mind shedding some light between the above mentioned woofers, or if I am going in the wrong direction, please let me know.  Again, it is for a smaller apartment living room (18x12x10), open to a hallway leading to the kitchen and stairs. Finalized setup will be 2.1.

 

Thanks in advance for your continued support and knowledge. 

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My budget-friendly sub choices are

(1) SVS PB-1000
(2) HSU STF-2
(3) Mordaunt Short Aviano 7

The Mordaunt is musical and is controlled, tight and articulate > and is good
also for HT > however, not as high SPLs as the other two.

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If you wouldnt mind shedding some light between the above mentioned woofers, or if I am going in the wrong direction, please let me know.  Again, it is for a smaller apartment living room (18x12x10), open to a hallway leading to the kitchen and stairs. Finalized setup will be 2.1.

I own the SB-1000. At louder volumes, it would probably struggle in that size room. it's a small compact sub really meant for smaller spaces. Size does matter (driver size and enclosure size) when it comes to subs. You'd need to push up to their SB12-NSD compact sub, which is a little more in cost.

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 Again, it is for a smaller apartment living room (18x12x10), open to a hallway leading to the kitchen and stairs. Finalized setup will be 2.1.

How much loudness liberty, are you going to have in an apartment?

Is it OK for you to fill that space with loud spl sound, and not get evicted?

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How much loudness liberty, are you going to have in an apartment?

 

 

Not much at all.  That's exacly my point.  I am not going to listen to loud music or push my system to the limits.  What I am looking for is something that will definitely be clear, crisp and tight while listening to music and watching movies. IMO, the SB-1000 (if i did go with SVS) will be more than sufficient, along with the rest of the list.  I just dont know which sub to pull the trigger on.  At this point, do you think I should just go with the cheapest of the options?  Given the rough dimensions of the room and how they will be used, do you think they will pretty much operate the same way?

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Not much at all.  That's exacly my point.  I am not going to listen to loud music or push my system to the limits.  What I am looking for is something that will definitely be clear, crisp and tight while listening to music and watching movies. IMO, the SB-1000 (if i did go with SVS) will be more than sufficient, along with the rest of the list.  I just dont know which sub to pull the trigger on.  At this point, do you think I should just go with the cheapest of the options?  Given the rough dimensions of the room and how they will be used, do you think they will pretty much operate the same way?

Only you can make a decision - For me, I would not spend over $300 for a sub,
while living in an apartment.

No guarantee that you will love something like the Mordaunt Short - however I like
it, and it does play below their specs - however, after 25hz it drops like a rock.

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I agree with what your saying about the price as well.  What is your experience, if any, with Accessories4less?  If I purchase something and for some reason do not like it, how is their return process?

 

As far as going to cheaper subs, bringing back the F12 into the conversation, should I save the extra 100 bucks and go with that? I can get it for around 190.  Thoughts between the F12 and the NXG?

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I agree with what your saying about the price as well.  What is your experience, if any, with Accessories4less?  If I purchase something and for some reason do not like it, how is their return process?

As far as going to cheaper subs, bringing back the F12 into the conversation, should I save the extra 100 bucks and go with that? I can get it for around 190.  Thoughts between the F12 and the NXG?

They have a 30 day return policy - you may or may not have to pay 15% restocking fee.

I do not favor Bic subs - the NXG may sound/play louder than the 10" Mordaunt Short, >>>
however, it does not look to be as well built as the Mordaunt Short - and the measurements
really do not look more impressive to me, except for the SPL.

I would still choose NXG over Bic - the NXG is about $235 on Amazon.

For me, I would not save $100 just to save - I still want a tight and articulate sub, regardless
of where I live.

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Not much at all.  That's exacly my point.  I am not going to listen to loud music or push my system to the limits.  What I am looking for is something that will definitely be clear, crisp and tight while listening to music and watching movies. IMO, the SB-1000 (if i did go with SVS) will be more than sufficient, along with the rest of the list.  I just dont know which sub to pull the trigger on.  At this point, do you think I should just go with the cheapest of the options?  Given the rough dimensions of the room and how they will be used, do you think they will pretty much operate the same way?

The SB-1000 is an extremely tight, clean sounding sub, and likely you would not be able to better for SQ for <$500. If it's not a hardship for you to buy it, definitely is worth the money. I own the Mirage Prestige S10, which I would imagine is probably similar in class to the Aviano 7, and the SB-1000 is clearly better in SQ. Plus, the Aviano 7 has a lot of roll off under 40hz, whereas the SB-1000 is flat to 30hz. Probably won't matter for music, but that's a plus for movie watching since movies often have special effects that take advantage of very low frequencies. SVS also has the best warranty of any sub that I have seen, a 45 day in home demo (free shipping both ways), and a 1 year trade-up policy should you decide you want something even better. Given it's extremely compact size, it could always be re-purposed for use in a bedroom setup or with a computer desktop setup if you ever move to a new place and need a larger sub for your primary setup.

That being said, unless you are into subs and know subs (perhaps you have experience with some already in home or car audio?) and are a discriminating bass aficionado, I would imagine that the Aviano 7 would certainly make you happy based on how Jim has been describing it; you'd likely have to spend a lot more money at your local BestBuy (probably a good bit more than the SB-1000) to do better than the Aviano 7.

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Thanks cel. After reading your last post and reading through some more reviews and threads, I'm starting to change my opinion about going budget for the sub. I'm now heavily considering the SVS SB-1000. The thought process is that when I do decide to upgrade receivers/speakers, at least I would already have an above average good performing sub.

What do you think?
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...I'm now heavily considering the SVS SB-1000. The thought process is that when I do decide to upgrade receivers/speakers, at least I would already have an above average good performing sub...

That's the idea wink.gif
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Thanks SDG,

 

Now, the top considerations are the SB-1000, HSU STF-1 and the Velodyne Impact 10 .  If you would to rate them in order, would that be the order of best to "least best".  If so, why?, if not why?

 

Thanks again in advance, and thank you to all who have taken the time to help me out.

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Personally I would place the SB-1000 solidly ahead of the other two (both in detail/clarity and how deep it goes). But to be fair it is a $500 sub while the other two are $300 subs.

A lot of forum members consider the SB-1000 (and it's ported sibling, the PB-1000) to be the best sub at that price point.
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Now, the top considerations are the SB-1000, HSU STF-1 and the Velodyne Impact 10 .  If you would to rate them in order, would that be the order of best to "least best".  If so, why?, if not why?

So after a few comments, you may be thinking that the Aviano 7 is not a good sub for $300?smile.gif
I own it, and I know it has bass out-put below 30 hz - I even own a bass tone/level disc that
did come with the subwoofer.

However, if one is willing to spend $500, then for sure go with SVS

And also, above $300 and under $500 - I will take the HSU STF-2 subwoofer. I would bypass
the STF-1 and Impact 10

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So after a few comments, you may be thinking that the Aviano 7 is not a good sub for $300?smile.gif
I own it, and I know it has bass out-put below 30 hz - I even own a bass tone/level disc that

I would agree that it is a good sub for $300, but S&Vs measurements indicate it rolls off pretty steeply under 40hz:

"The Aviano 7’s close-miked response, normalized to the level at 80 Hz, indicates that the lower –3DB point is at 45 Hz and the –6-dB point is at 38 Hz. The upper –3DB point is at 169 Hz with the Variable Notch Filter switch set to Off and the Frequency control at maximum."



Could be you are getting some room gain.

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I would agree that it is a good sub for $300, but S&Vs measurements indicate it rolls off pretty steeply under 40hz:
Could be you are getting some room gain.
They still did not give the whole story - they also measured 92 db at 25 hz > before they joined together,
Sound and Vision also did separate measurements. >> Some other popular budget 12 inch subs, have a
challenge reaching 92 db at 25 hz > Even some more expensive subs struggle in that region to hit 92 db

The CD that I have, proves that there is usable bass below 30 hz

As with a lot of rooms, you can achieve room gain to get 92+ spl at 25 hz

Also the sub tends to work better, if you do not turn the sub crossover all the way up.

This sub is not silence is golden.smile.gif > and Dr Mushy Boom was not invited to help design it.

If one had the funds, I would still recommend the STF-2 Subwoofer

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