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If you do I'll have my measurement gear there. I might be taking one of Joe's 228s outside to measure anyways. We could find out how this thing rocks.
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Got my 3rd B212XL hooked up in my center channel. Sounds cleaner than my Boston VR12. I'm going to tweak the gain up slightly on it shortly and I think I'm going to stick with it and sell my Boston.
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What's everyone using for stands for these things? The typical PA tripod stands look pretty high and very much industrial.
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What's everyone using for stands for these things? The typical PA tripod stands look pretty high and very much industrial.

I used some sections of an extra audio stand I have. Also on top of some subs.


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Those look great.

I was thinking maybe an accent table would work well to.
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I've now completed my Center B215XL with another two B215XL, and I'm amazed by the sound quality and the dynamic. The front speakers I have an 18 "subwoofer (Behringer B1800D Pro) added. The sound in my small loft cinema is indescribable (you can realy feel the sound ). The Behringers sound but also quietly very good and at a fraction of the price of normal HIFI Speakers. Thanks imagic for the relief of my buying decision.


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How does that Behringer B1800D Pro do under 25hz?
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How does that Behringer B1800D Pro do under 25hz?

Can not (starts at 35 hz). From my point of view, it is theoretical values which are not really relevant in practice. I had two THX select subwoofer (12 ", 105 dB, 200 W) with a lower frequency of 25 hz but far not so deep and punchy over came in my room as the b1800d (127 dB, 1,000 W).
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So if we wanted to add more low end what speaker can we add to each of our B215XL or B212XL's to give it to us cleanly. I tried tacking a sub woofer on to my center directly but just ended up being far too bassy. Any thoughts?
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So if we wanted to add more low end what speaker can we add to each of our B215XL or B212XL's to give it to us cleanly. I tried tacking a sub woofer on to my center directly but just ended up being far too bassy. Any thoughts?

I think that any pa-subwoofer fits to each of our B212XL or B215XL because of there hard suspension.
When normal hifi-subwoofer, I'd be careful because of the softer suspension. I think as a result they sound more bassy and nebulous (even when it gets louder). In my case I got hung up the subwoofer to the front speakers but the subwoofer Output of my denon dn-500av. The cut-off frequency is set to 90 hz and the front speakers to large. The result is a dry vigorous but precise bass. I chose the B1800D due to the frequency deepest in the pa area and a low Price and randomly it is the same product-line as the B215XL (but I know when ordering not how big it is )


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I was thinking B1500D or B1200D would be ideal to pair to each speaker in the front channels.
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I've been keeping on eye on this thread for quite some time. Initially thought about DIY, but due to my busy schedule, just couldn't find the time. After all the great reviews, I decided to try the B212XL. Bought three from amazon and should be here tomorrow. Hopeful, my speakon plugs come in as well. I'm no audiophile, so I probably won't notice the difference, but hopeful voices are clear
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I've been keeping on eye on this thread for quite some time. Initially thought about DIY, but due to my busy schedule, just couldn't find the time. After all the great reviews, I decided to try the B212XL. Bought three from amazon and should be here tomorrow. Hopeful, my speakon plugs come in as well. I'm no audiophile, so I probably won't notice the difference, but hopeful voices are clear
The same speakers I bought, they are super clear, and very loud and low levels. They will blow your mind at volume. In my space my SC-37 has my left and rights turned down to -7.0db each just to give you an idea of how nuts it is. I would pair with a punchy sub and a boomy sub to get the full range. Awesome speakers.

B212XL should be better in fact due to their wider spread from the horn dispersion.
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If you do I'll have my measurement gear there. I might be taking one of Joe's 228s outside to measure anyways. We could find out how this thing rocks.
I'm very interested in how this speaker measures. The TRUTH monitors they make are outstanding for the price.
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The same speakers I bought, they are super clear, and very loud and low levels. They will blow your mind at volume. In my space my SC-37 has my left and rights turned down to -7.0db each just to give you an idea of how nuts it is. I would pair with a punchy sub and a boomy sub to get the full range. Awesome speakers.

B212XL should be better in fact due to their wider spread from the horn dispersion.
I have a SVS PB12-NSD and can't wait to hear the speakers. Sadly, my speakon connectors won't get here until Monday
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Received the speakers today and had some time to hook them up. Other than a full HTIB, I've never had another system. Bought 2 P363, but one has been in the repair shop for over 3 months, so been listening to one channel only. Thought I'll give these a try. No audiophile, but voices are clear and integrate well with the sub. At the same volume, louder than the P363. For the price I paid for them, I'm very happy and can finally forget about speakers
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I can only imagine how cheap and crappy the crossovers in the Behringers are. I certainly don't mind opening them up at some point in the near future, nothing to lose. I am certain there are cost-effective ways to improve them.
If you do open one up it would be interesting to see how the components compare to another inexpensive pa speaker, the Mackie c200 which I've also been surprised with in terms of bang for buck.
I popped open a c200 for comparison and to see if there were any quick and dirty upgrades.

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Been contemplating building Fusion Quad4, the Fusion6 or buying a pair of 212xl and running phantom center. What order of magnitude would going with pa speakers be better than these options?
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Been contemplating building Fusion Quad4, the Fusion6 or buying a pair of 212xl and running phantom center. What order of magnitude would going with pa speakers be better than these options?
I can't comment completely on the comparison but these speakers give you the movie theater feel, I'd say you'd need to compare them to 3677s most likely. Not sure if that helps.
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I can't comment completely on the comparison but these speakers give you the movie theater feel, I'd say you'd need to compare them to 3677s most likely. Not sure if that helps.
Thanks. At almost 900,a piece, the 3677s are way out of my budget. I decided to try out a pair of the 212xl's and found a deal on eBay for $250 for set. If I don't like them I can easily resell them as they seem to hold value pretty well. I'll then diy the fusion 4's or 6's. I'll post back one I get them hooked up and dialed in.

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Been contemplating building Fusion Quad4, the Fusion6 or buying a pair of 212xl and running phantom center. What order of magnitude would going with pa speakers be better than these options?

Old home Theater saw: "Cubic capacity can be replaced by
anything". So I would say a pa Speaker with a 15" woofer or if you have the space for it with two 15" woofers (like the Behringer VP 2520 for Example - for 270 Dollar/Piece)



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Old home Theater saw: "Cubic capacity can be replaced by
anything". So I would say a pa Speaker with a 15" woofer or if you have the space for it with two 15" woofers (like the Behringer VP 2520 for Example - for 270 Dollar/Piece)


Ribbon,

To my understanding those speakers are very different from the B212XL and B215XL they don't use the same configuration and as far as I understand can't be compared. Someone else might want to chime in.
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Got them. Love them! Soundstage is huge and details are there I never heard before. WAF is a challenge so I'm making a large grill to hide the ugly.
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Got them. Love them! Soundstage is huge and details are there I never heard before. WAF is a challenge so I'm making a large grill to hide the ugly.
I'm glad I don't have to worry about WAF as it's in the basement
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I'm glad I don't have to worry about WAF as it's in the basement
Lucky!

Will do this in my next home. The space now is like a basement media area that is open to everywhere.
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Got them. Love them! Soundstage is huge and details are there I never heard before. WAF is a challenge so I'm making a large grill to hide the ugly.
I'm really pleased to hear you like 'em. I can't think of any other speakers that provided so much performance for the dollar. Even though I'm used to them by now, they have not ceased to amaze me. I look forward to attending my first audio show post-Behringer. Now, when someone tells me a pair of speakers costs $50,000 or whatever I'll have to hold myself back from bursting out in a fit of evil laughter.
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I'm curious how the VP1520, VP1220, or VP1220F would compare. They all appear to have the same compression driver and all hit 20kHz and have a similar dispersion but a higher crossover at 2.5kHz. I may consider the VP1220F as a back surround and the VP1220 as rears and or a center.
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Did that SEOS comparison ever happen?
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Thanks imagic! I'm really enjoying them. Do you think i should take the grills off and do that mod you were talking about to the compression driver? I have been working on dialing everything in. I have an Onkyo NR609 receiver that only has Audyssey 2eq. After I ran audyssey it had the mains at -6, my inwalls used to be a +2!. It set the mains at 70hz and i am running a ghosted center, although you could swear a center speaker is behind my LCD TV! - so cool. As you know audyssey 2eq does not eq the subs, luckily my dual sealed Epic Empire Bstock 15's are driven my the inuke 3000DSP. I have a dayton UMM6 mic and went back and calibrate the SPL at the MLP. It looks like the onkyo likes to set everything at 72-73db at MLP. I got everything dialed in at 75db at MLP and set the recievers sub gain to 0 so that 0 represents 75db and then i gave it a couple more db to run a little hot. I figured out the ASIO connection for the HDMI so i took some measurements of the mains alone, with subs (eq'ed subs) and with subs (withouth eq'ed subs) and then subs alone. My room is not sealed up it's a basement and this is more of a media area than a home theater. I've attached the mdat file if you or anyone else cares to check it out. I wonder if i should turn off audyssey altogether and run the measurements again? this always has been a lingering question for me as without audyssey i have no way to eq the mains without buying more equipment.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0krgbuk4z7...sey%202eq.mdat

It won't let me attach the mdat so i hop the above dropbox link works.

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