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Cool, love to see great bang for buck stuff!
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<<<<<Waiting with baited breath.

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If you do I'll have my measurement gear there. I might be taking one of Joe's 228s outside to measure anyways. We could find out how this thing rocks.
What measurement strategy are you going to use? What measurements are you going to take?

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Just an on axis FR. Maybe a GP as well. Not sure Tyee bought a pair though. Sorry.
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Those that cant fit an extra for center channel duties, what is a good substitute?
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I found that the Boston VR12 worked well, until I repalced it with another B212XL. Maybe go B212XL center?

I should note that I am all B212XL up front with JBL 8330A's surrounds.
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Old home Theater saw: "Cubic capacity can be replaced by
anything". So I would say a pa Speaker with a 15" woofer or if you have the space for it with two 15" woofers (like the Behringer VP 2520 for Example - for 270 Dollar/Piece)


Anyone tried the VP 2520 for fronts? My Home Theater room is about 350 ftˆ2 and I think a pair of those should make very nice L R speakers (maybe even surrounds, also). Anyone care to chime in?
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Anyone tried the VP 2520 for fronts? My Home Theater room is about 350 ftˆ2 and I think a pair of those should make very nice L R speakers (maybe even surrounds, also). Anyone care to chime in?
Check earlier in the thread they are not the same speaker. So it can't be compared. Cross overs are different etc.
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Had a friend over this weekend for a few beers to hang out. We were just watching TV, flipping through channels. Aside from having a good time catching up, he was sitting to the far right of the couch, i was sitting in the MLP (of course :-)). I explained how i was working to make a nice grill to hide my subs and 212xl's and got through the whole "these are PA speakers, but they rock for your house" conversation. After a while, he turns to me and goes, "are the big speakers on or is it just the TV?". I promised him that they and the subs were on. He could have sworn the sound was coming right out of the TV, even got up and put his ear up to the speakers to make sure i wasn't pulling his leg! I was all grins and explained that what he was experiencing was the point of my upgrades, that if you didn't see them, you'd think the sound was coming right out of the TV area. That was awesome. Thought I'd share!

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Pics of the grill i made from MLP. I think I will need some sort of side panels and it's really see through. I haven't attached it to the sub yet, it's just leaning up against it. If i built some solid wood panels for the sides, would that trash the sound of the subs/mains? The brighter pic is with can lights a few feet away, darker pic is with them off. WAF is still an issue. The sketchup pics show what i'm thinking for the sides, would paint them black i suppose.

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I bought a pair of B212XL's a few days ago based on the recommendations on this thread, and I must say I am very happy with them so far. The vocal clarity is amazing and these can get really loud without noticable distortion, but what really surprised me is the huge soundstage. My previous mains (admittedly entry-level Energy CB-20's) were toys compared to the Behringers.

I don't think buying a third one for the center is necessary because of the huge soundstage the mains are throwing. I put them on my two subs flanking my 100" screen and voices lock on the center just right. Besides without an acoustically transparent screen, an LCR setup would not be optimal. I am now convinced that a center channel is unnecessary with speakers like these thanks to their controlled directivity horns unless you have a really large screen.

One thing I have noticed that these speakers have a dip centered between 5-7 kHz. These being PA speakers, the dip is probably intentional to avoid sibilance. I think this dip is partly responsible why vocals are so clear. I have attached the in-room response of the Behringers from my listening position (about 3 meters from the speakers). 1/3 octave smoothing. I have applied only a few cuts below 120 hz to tame room resonances. Other than that there is no EQ. My room is treated with bass traps on the corners and at first reflection points. The bass response is flat down to about 12 hz with the help of my two subs.

I have already sold my Energy LCR setup, and am enjoying my B212XLs. They sound great and are very revealing, but sometimes I find them sound a little flat for a lack of better word. Perhaps, the 5-7 kHz dip is responsible for that. What do you think?

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Hi aijan,

Can you switch the scale from logarithmic to linear? Also if measuring inside can you measure slightly closer at like 1M?

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Hi Nick,

The linear scale looks really distorted to me. I prefer to use the logarithmic scale if you do not mind. I have taken new in-room measurements, and it looks like I somehow made a mistake with my original measurement. You can see the new 3m listening position measurement of both speakers and the 1m on-axis measurement of a single speaker below.

The wide 5-7 kHz dip is largely gone on the new 3m measurement. As for the 1m on-axis measurement, there is a dip centered roughly between 3-4 kHz which is consistent with the B215XL measurement Mark posted earlier.

Note: The 100hz crossover is still in effect (these speakers do not normally roll off that early).
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Hi Nick,

The linear scale looks really distorted to me. I prefer to use the logarithmic scale if you do not mind. I have taken new in-room measurements, and it looks like I somehow made a mistake with my original measurement. You can see the new 3m listening position measurement of both speakers and the 1m on-axis measurement of a single speaker below.

The wide 5-7 kHz dip is largely gone on the new 3m measurement. As for the 1m on-axis measurement, there is a dip centered roughly between 3-4 kHz which is consistent with the B215XL measurement Mark posted earlier.
Thats cool I just wanted a peek at both, I think log is preferred by most. There seems to be something going on with your measurements. What mic are you using?

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The measurement mic I am using came with my Harman Kardon AVR 255 (EU model). It is not very accurate, but it clearly shows me the problem areas.
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Thats cool, if you cutoff below 80Hz in the window settings you can see more relevant info...

Is a waste to see the graph down into the teens on that speaker.

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