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post #331 of 1230 Old 08-03-2014, 06:19 PM
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That last track that Popalock played, honestly I'd never ask for more from a $200 speaker. Yes, the heavy-hitters handle the extreme levels better, or rather with a bit more finesse and precision, than a B215XL, but still... I never go that loud at home.
I am amazed that a $200 can go that loud and not completely sound like crap. I dont think you could DIY for $200 and do better. I think your terms of finese and precision are better descriptors than mine.

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Are the crossovers likely the same between the 212 and 215?
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Are the crossovers likely the same between the 212 and 215?
Not exactly the same since the woofers probably have different efficiency. Also, the actual crossover point is different. I'd imagine the crossovers are similar.
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I really feel like putting better woofers into the 212 or 215 would make a big difference for some reason.
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Granted I've never heard these speakers, but my interpretation of subjective comments and understanding of the Behringer specs, I'd say the biggest improvement that could be made is a reworked XO for hifi. This would mean crossing lower in particular. Woofer break up is always a problem with a PA 2 way.
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I cranked on my 212's for the first time took my SC-37 down to -5db. loud...but now know that if I just add a sub woofer to each of my channels it'll be fine. I need a house before I do that .
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http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/CL118S.aspx

Does anyone have this sub to match their 212xl or 215xl?

-10db at 29hz

Made from double ply birch.

I have 2 sealed 15" subs today that start to roll of at 60hz but with room gain alone they are flat to 18hz. I think the room gain would give these bad boys some nice headroom? Bi-amp them to my 212xls each on a channel of my 3000dsp?

279 a pop!

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Does anyone have this sub to match their 212xl or 215xl?

-10db at 29hz

Made from double ply birch.

I have 2 sealed 15" subs today that start to roll of at 60hz but with room gain alone they are flat to 18hz. I think the room gain would give these bad boys some nice headroom? Bi-amp them to my 212xls each on a channel of my 3000dsp?

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They call that a subwoofer?

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I really feel like putting better woofers into the 212 or 215 would make a big difference for some reason.
The bass extension is inherently limited by the enclosure design, probably more so than by the driver. If you use a system—crossed over to subs at 80 Hz—to A/B the Behringers versus considerably more expensive speakers, it becomes clear that the woofers perform quite well.

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They call that a subwoofer?

Pro audio subwoofers only need to go down to around 45 Hz for live music vs. 20 Hz for home theater.
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Pro audio subwoofers only need to go down to around 45 Hz for live music vs. 20 Hz for home theater.
And it looks like this one goes all the way down to 10 hz so I guess its pretty good.
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And it looks like this one goes all the way down to 10 hz so I guess its pretty good.
With an F10 of 29 Hz, this is a pro audio subwoofer.

I guess I didn't understand your original comment.

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The bass extension is inherently limited by the enclosure design, probably more so than by the driver. If you use a system—crossed over to subs at 80 Hz—to A/B the Behringers versus considerably more expensive speakers, it becomes clear that the woofers perform quite well.
Yeap...done.
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Corradizo, actually, I don't think you benefit from RG with that sub. Its -10 at 29hz because it's "front loaded" (gonna assume a front loaded horn here) so below 29hz its gonna have no useful output. RG usually kicks in around 30hz and down IME. From about 40hz and up that sub will likely have insane output in a home, especially for the money. But that extra octave is significant IMO. Myself I go for another 2 octaves minimum. Pro subs just don't do those octaves.

David, we don't understand what is wrong with that sub. Yes, it's a (pro audio) subwoofer. You don't think it is? I'm confused.

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David, we don't understand what your problem is. Yes, it's a (pro audio) subwoofer. You don't think it is? I'm confused.
A bit tongue in cheek. Obviously it is for Pro-audio not home theater use, but in the AVS world where 20 Hz capability is "entry level" I question whether a ported box which appears to be tuned at 80 Hz can really be considered a subwoofer at all. I seriously doubt that room gain will even start to level out that precipitous drop.

I won't side track the thread anymore, especially by repeating a discussion that happened about 8 pages ago. Back to the B215XL.

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Oh I see. I agree RG won't help. It's certainly tuned lower than 80hz though BTW. That peak at 80 is probably from being in to small of a box. A bigger box would make it cost more though.

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I did some more measuring tonight. The green line is the average of my L and R B212XL (mic at a 45* pointing forward towards mains at MLP) with audyssey OFF. I first turned off audyssey and then I used REW with my UMM6 mic and it's internal pink noise to set each speaker to 75db. Set the gain on the AVR to zero and turn my sub gain up until it hit 75db too. Then i took meausurements with audyssey ON and OFF. I'm giving all this detail because i'm really new to REW and setting things up...

The Red is the average of my L and R B212XL with Audyssey ON (audyssey is the 2eq as i have an onkyo NR609). The Green is the same with Audyssey OFF. In both cases my subs are ON and EQ'ed with house curve of 3db/Oct from 80 to 25hz. I've got the mains crossed at 80hz, no center.

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So is my system doing ok? i can't seem to figure out if i'm on the money or what. I know i have a drop in the 500-600hz range and need to cut in the 350hz range, however since these are runniing off my avr, i'm stuck.

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Hi, I'm debating on upgrading my pioneer BS22 system to new speakers, I can't afford to do SEOS speakers yet or JTRs, so the speakers I am considering are

JBL LSR 305 cost 225 Max SPL 108db 45-24khz I've heard great things on it and it has the wave-guide from the M2 monitor

Behringer 212 XL cost 320 (pair) 95db sensitive, would be powered by Pioneer SC 63, 65-18khz based on reading the comments the main difference between the 212xl and 215xl is 1 db of efficiency and a 12'woofer vs 15'woofer

or

Behringer 2031 cost 400 pair powered 116db Max SPL 50-21khz

I assume i would be playing at reference and would be used for mostly movies and tv shows, these would go in a small bedroom and might come out once in a while to a medium size living room that is open to the rest of the house, (sorry if this belongs in a new thread)

what seems to be the consensus
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So is my system doing ok? i can't seem to figure out if i'm on the money or what. I know i have a drop in the 500-600hz range and need to cut in the 350hz range, however since these are runniing off my avr, i'm stuck.

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The graphs look ok to me. The only thing strange is that Audssey did not cut the peak at 350hz. You may want to measure the speakers individually to better see what is going on.
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Behringer Eurolive B215XL 15" 2-Way as L/R Mains

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I assume i would be playing at reference and would be used for mostly movies and tv shows, these would go in a small bedroom and might come out once in a while to a medium size living room that is open to the rest of the house, (sorry if this belongs in a new thread)

what seems to be the consensus
While any of those speakers may work well in a small room, I would guess that when you get to reference in the living room, the Behringer 212 XL would be the only one to handle that volume. The tweeters on the other ones are domes. The 212 has a compression driver, which can get a lot louder, cleanly.

I had a pair of Behringer 2031p's (the passive model) which was pretty good sounding at lower levels (as is appropriate for its design, being a near field monitor), but couldn't get crazy loud like speakers with CDs can.

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Thoughts on comparing these to the JBL EON 515XT? JBLs are 100ish more expensive per unit, but includes a 625 watt class D crown amp built in.

Pro speaker fans - Anyone used/heard the JBL EON 515XT?
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Hi, I'm debating on upgrading my pioneer BS22 system to new speakers, I can't afford to do SEOS speakers yet or JTRs, so the speakers I am considering are

JBL LSR 305 cost 225 Max SPL 108db 45-24khz I've heard great things on it and it has the wave-guide from the M2 monitor

Behringer 212 XL cost 320 (pair) 95db sensitive, would be powered by Pioneer SC 63, 65-18khz based on reading the comments the main difference between the 212xl and 215xl is 1 db of efficiency and a 12'woofer vs 15'woofer

or

Behringer 2031 cost 400 pair powered 116db Max SPL 50-21khz

I assume i would be playing at reference and would be used for mostly movies and tv shows, these would go in a small bedroom and might come out once in a while to a medium size living room that is open to the rest of the house, (sorry if this belongs in a new thread)

what seems to be the consensus
DO NOT GET STUDIO MONITORS...sorry for the caps. I had the LSR2325p the models before these and trust me they do sound good but the 212XL is far better.
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Is the bottom of 212XL / 215XL flat? I mean...can it be placed on top of a standard speaker stand (not the PA speaker tripod stand)?
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DO NOT GET STUDIO MONITORS...sorry for the caps. I had the LSR2325p the models before these and trust me they do sound good but the 212XL is far better.
How so?
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Is the bottom of 212XL / 215XL flat? I mean...can it be placed on top of a standard speaker stand (not the PA speaker tripod stand)?
They have rubber feet at each of the three corners. As long as the stand is large enough to contact each foot you are good.
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They have rubber feet at each of the three corners. As long as the stand is large enough to contact each foot you are good.
you mean the bottom center is not flat?
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you mean the bottom center is not flat?
The bottom is flat, except for the three feet, one on each corner.
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Just for reference, I have the B215D and both drivers are different than the 215XL. It is not just one is active. The 215D has a 1.35" CD and a what looks like a much heftier woofer. I have pictures of the woofer to compare to the ones earlier in the thread. I just use it for garage duty with my phone as the source and for that I am not unimpressed. I think I will move it to the theater and see how I think it sounds.

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Just for reference, I have the B215D and both drivers are different than the 215XL. It is not just one is active. The 215D has a 1.35" CD and a what looks like a much heftier woofer. I have pictures of the woofer to compare to the ones earlier in the thread. I just use it for garage duty with my phone as the source and for that I am not unimpressed. I think I will move it to the theater and see how I think it sounds.
From Behringer.com:

"The B215XL sports a 15" LF and 1.75" HF drivers for low bass and crisp highs."

"B215D - Active 550-Watt 2-Way PA Speaker System with 15" Woofer and 1.35" Compression Driver"


If anything, the larger compression driver in the B215XL is more appealing to me. It is interesting they are not the same.

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The woofer looks quite a bit more heavy duty, though it is still a stamped frame. The woofer amp has an 80 Hz shelf filter which leads me to believe it may play lower. Like the 215XL, the 215D will play louder than I could ever need it even outside, though I am usually in close proximity. Really makes me wonder about the sound difference between the two.
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