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They are not the same, I've compared them.
thanks...just wanted to check.
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The point of the berries was that just because they are PA does not make every PA speaker ok. They do something right especially if set up to excel! I have owned many better single speakers but as a system running correctly for their strengths I have not had one person say it was not their best experience in my room. Many speakers will trounce it in mono, stereo, no subs, etc for music.
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Here is a pic of my setup, camera makes the projector screen look weird, it is supposed to be white

110" screen, 3x b212xl

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6q...w?usp=drivesdk

ideally i would like to raise the speakers by 1/2 to 1 inch inconspicuously, so that they are level with the top of the tv stands and to maximize the WAF... would have loved to gone AT screen, but I didn't want to have to replace the current screen
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The point of the berries was that just because they are PA does not make every PA speaker ok. They do something right especially if set up to excel! I have owned many better single speakers but as a system running correctly for their strengths I have not had one person say it was not their best experience in my room. Many speakers will trounce it in mono, stereo, no subs, etc for music.
that makes sense..I appreciate the info..Im really close to pulling the trigger on 3 of them to try it out.
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Hi !

I just bought a pair of B215XL.
I was planning to make a pair of DiY speakers ( 15" OB + tweeter ), but I did not find enough time for it ... So I wondered why not use PA speakers and was happy to find this thread. I only read up to page 30 and decided to buy the Behringer's !

I was happy to see that they can be used as OB.

Did anyone tried to remove the crossover and go with 2 amps (+ DSP ) ?
Do anyone knows the Qts of the 15" ?
What sub do you suggest ?
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Hi !

I just bought a pair of B215XL.
I was planning to make a pair of DiY speakers ( 15" OB + tweeter ), but I did not find enough time for it ... So I wondered why not use PA speakers and was happy to find this thread. I only read up to page 30 and decided to buy the Behringer's !

I was happy to see that they can be used as OB.

Did anyone tried to remove the crossover and go with 2 amps (+ DSP ) ?
Do anyone knows the Qts of the 15" ?
What sub do you suggest ?
@imagic did. It's discussed in this thread.
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ok find it... and read up to page 80...

I will get 2x B215XL and 1 VP1800S tomorrow !!
Can you confirm that I may set the crossover at 80 Hz LR 48 dB ? (digital crossover from my nanoDigi)
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ok find it... and read up to page 80...

I will get 2x B215XL and 1 VP1800S tomorrow !!
Can you confirm that I may set the crossover at 80 Hz LR 48 dB ? (digital crossover from my nanoDigi)
Sure 80hz is fine on the B215XL. Why did you chose the VP1800S? What amp are you planning to power it with? The subs likely won't dig as deep as a good home theater subwoofer.
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So still not wanting more? The performance delta not there? This is what I keep telling myself. I am a habitual system changer and I have had this system a long time for my standards.
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We just watched Jason Bourne in KCnitro07's room at -5dB for the January (monthly) KC Home movie night.


The Behringer 215XL frontstage and 212XL surrounds he has played everything without a hint of strain and sounded great. I've heard many systems were many multiples of his speaker cost that didn't sound as clean at -5dB. I agree these are a great choice for an inexpensive matching speaker all around.

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My reference is -6 and that seems much lower than other speakers but sounds really good
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We just watched Jason Bourne in KCnitro07's room at -5dB for the January (monthly) KC Home movie night.
The Behringer 215XL frontstage and 212XL surrounds he has played everything without a hint of strain and sounded great. I've heard many systems were many multiples of his speaker cost that didn't sound as clean at -5dB. I agree these are a great choice for an inexpensive matching speaker all around.
Did the Behringer's accurately reproduce the sound of Matt Damon walking...and walking...and walking some more?
I swear, 1/2 that movie was just a shot of Matt's back as he gave "the man" the slip. "zzz zzz"
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Can the berries sit on a typical home speaker stand?
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No, they have three feet on the bottom and those stands would probably sit between the feet, so not be very stable.

They do have holes for pole stands that you may be able to adapt, but you will probably be better off getting some MDF made to the right size and shape and have that as the base - perhaps attached to the speaker or stand in some way so that it's stable.

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I've done a few searches but can't find a clear answer. Searching "212xl" in this thread brings up a LOT of posts.

So, fairly quick answer:

I have older Klipsch RF3's and matching center which I cross over at 80 hz. I am doing a new screen setup and will have the speakers behind the screen. Would the 212xl's be an upgrade over the RF3's when listening at -10db from reference ? They're around 3-4db more sensitive, but I'm unsure of max SPL capabilities.

The RF3's probably can play at reference volume with my amp but I feel like I'm pushing them to the limit.

I could do the 215xl's but shipping to northern Canada ends up putting them at about $350 each.
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I've done a few searches but can't find a clear answer. Searching "212xl" in this thread brings up a LOT of posts.

So, fairly quick answer:

I have older Klipsch RF3's and matching center which I cross over at 80 hz. I am doing a new screen setup and will have the speakers behind the screen. Would the 212xl's be an upgrade over the RF3's when listening at -10db from reference ? They're around 3-4db more sensitive, but I'm unsure of max SPL capabilities.

The RF3's probably can play at reference volume with my amp but I feel like I'm pushing them to the limit.

I could do the 215xl's but shipping to northern Canada ends up putting them at about $350 each.
Keep an eye out for them second hand. Seeing as they are going behind a screen a few marks won't matter.

I personally think they will be an upgrade but I have a personal preference for large midbass cones. I have 212xls and love them. I also have Cerwin Vega Prostax (the older better version with the compression driver midrange) in both 12 and 15" and a bunch of other pro audio speakers and the 212s are great.

Interestingly I also have VP1220's and if anything they are better than the 212 thanks to the wood cabinets. Some will argue different crossover points blah blah blah but I own both and prefer the VPs. Biggest difference is more solid bottom end and slightly crisper top end due to the VP having titanium compression drivers and so far all xls anyone has ever checked actually have polyamide (clear ish plastic) diaphragms.

Had my VP1220s running today playing Michael Jackson on top of 200 litre dual 15" reflex bass bins crossed at 100hz both running on a QSC gx5 each. Sounded lovely.

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What are the best surround and atmos speakers that timbre the B215XL? I am aware of the B212XL, but they are not pleasant to look at, and too big to conceal. I was sifting through the thread, and Doc orange88 mentioned the JBL 8320 however, the JBL SCS8 are better speakers and priced well too. Would the JBL SCS8 match B215XL? I was about to slap my credit card on 3 x JBL 3677 and 8 x SCS8, but since the price of 3 x B215XL = 1 x JBL 3677 it makes sense to go with B215XL.

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...video says it roll of about 110Hz. He says that he didn't measure it, he's just estimating. But the cabinet is far too small to do much better than that. Even within the genre for which it's intended, PA, Behringer doesn't get high marks. They very much trade off high fidelity for high output at a low price.
In some absolute sense, the cabinets are not small. And 15" woofers should be able to put out a lot of bass. I thus presume you mean the cabinets are quite small relative to the woofer size?

Has anyone run an impedance curve? I'm curious about the tuning frequency.

And, is there a powered version?
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Sure 80hz is fine on the B215XL. Why did you chose the VP1800S? What amp are you planning to power it with? The subs likely won't dig as deep as a good home theater subwoofer.
Hi Doc,

I asked a few posts before what sub I may buy with no answer... So I bought this one, the price is very attractive. It goes down to 32 Hz in my room.
I use 3 x FullDigitalAamps (FX audio D802) connected directly to my oppo103 (with vanity HD digital board) to power the berries, the sub, and a pair of klipsch RB52 as surrounds. The souns is very very good. I may try one day the berries in my HiFi system (it has 2 18" dipoles...).

I can send back the subwoofer for 60 days, so if you have some suggestion for a good subwoofer that goes deeper I am all ears.
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Hi Doc,

I asked a few posts before what sub I may buy with no answer... So I bought this one, the price is very attractive. It goes down to 32 Hz in my room.
I use 3 x FullDigitalAamps (FX audio D802) connected directly to my oppo103 (with vanity HD digital board) to power the berries, the sub, and a pair of klipsch RB52 as surrounds. The souns is very very good. I may try one day the berries in my HiFi system (it has 2 18" dipoles...).

I can send back the subwoofer for 60 days, so if you have some suggestion for a good subwoofer that goes deeper I am all ears.
ICYMI, there's a mid bass module called Behringer B1200D which you might be interested in.
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Hey guys, Im looking at upgrading my speakers (Polk RTiA series) and happened across this thread....


Do you guys think these would work well for me? They certainly are cheap enough... wowsers....
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Alright I just bought speakers that are replacing my B212XLs. I have now JBL G-734s. I'll be doing an A/B them but so far the G734s are leaving the B212XL FAR behind.
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So the G-734s are far better than B212XLs. It is pretty much night and day difference between them...now I have to find a third speaker somehow blah!
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So the G-734s are far better than B212XLs. It is pretty much night and day difference between them...now I have to find a third speaker somehow blah!
Do you have them both crossed over to subs during your A/B comparison?

Unfortunate that you are not able to make the comparison with the B215XL (the original speaker that made Imagic all excited).
If I remember correctly the 12" version just doesn't have the same...um....magic.
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So the G-734s are far better than B212XLs. It is pretty much night and day difference between them...now I have to find a third speaker somehow blah!
Too bad the G-734s are vintage.
The last "old" speakers in current JBL website are the 3677 & 3678.
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So the G-734s are far better than B212XLs. It is pretty much night and day difference between them...now I have to find a third speaker somehow blah!
Why ??!!! Why did you have to do this? If I remember correctly you are also in an apt (like me) and your posts also helped me decided to get the B212XL, which I've been very happy with.

Where did you get them? Looks like they are very old and not sold anymore?
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No, they have three feet on the bottom and those stands would probably sit between the feet, so not be very stable.

They do have holes for pole stands that you may be able to adapt, but you will probably be better off getting some MDF made to the right size and shape and have that as the base - perhaps attached to the speaker or stand in some way so that it's stable.
Yes you can fit the Berries on regular speaker stands but its a bit precarious, not very stable. I have a pic of my setup in an earlier post. I considered getting a tripod stand but the ones which are short enough are too expensive.

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So I am going to try to respond to everyones posts.

So on the B215XL, I've heard the difference between the 212XL and the B215XL. Yes the 215XL is bigger body but the sound in the tweeter mostly stays the same the quality if you will. The sharpness of the G-734s is amazing. Some might find it slightly harsh but as I expected once in a home theater you'll find things become much more clear. It has that JBL cinema sound, if thats a thing.

I did not test with a sub, as I wanted to compare the bass as well as the 212XLs have zero pretty much. I don't need to cross over with these speakers. I tested vocals from Adele and songs like Dire Straits Private investigations. Then some silly stuff with a lot of bass(yes the speaker has plenty). Testing the highs is where it shines. Now I did attempt to do a rough volume match to make sure I'm hearing it correctly. The 95db vs the 102db is VERY noticeable. I found that the audio was just more clear and more crisp coming from the G-734. The highes felt muffled on the Berry.

Please keep in mind, I've not really heard much that tops the Berries, some things at Mikes GTG's have but we are often talking DIY Fusions or things into the thousands of dollars. Please don't take this as a knock on the berries.

The G-734 are technically vintage but they are extremely similar to the 3677 even use the came CD and same horn dispersion and the same size are almost the same. The LF and the crossover are different it crosses over at 1.5khz but outside that it's almost the same speaker. Some will say the cross over is different and it is but its a pro speaker so I don't think quality between the G's and the 3677 are going to mater.

Nothing is wrong with the berries keep them, I like them and they are still the first speaker I would tell someone to buy.

I got them from Guitar center, they are old looks like ~1991. They are almost in perfect shape also, which is helpful, I need to find a third in good shape. I only paid ~150 each so that's pretty damn cheap.
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i don't know what speakers you guys are comparing to when commenting on the 212xl's bass, but i noticed a huge improvement in bass going from my insignia bookshelf speakers which aren't high end but apparently comparable to andrew jones SP-BS22-LR

and that's without the subwoofer... with the subwoofer turned on, you can really feel (and hear) the subs power. i think these speakers compliment subs really well

my next upgrade will be a better receiver even though i don't think it will make much difference in terms of quality/output power...i will probably get it mainly for the atmos
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i don't know what speakers you guys are comparing to when commenting on the 212xl's bass, but i noticed a huge improvement in bass going from my insignia bookshelf speakers which aren't high end but apparently comparable to andrew jones SP-BS22-LR

and that's without the subwoofer... with the subwoofer turned on, you can really feel (and hear) the subs power. i think these speakers compliment subs really well

my next upgrade will be a better receiver even though i don't think it will make much difference in terms of quality/output power...i will probably get it mainly for the atmos
What receiver are you using now?
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