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"The B215XL sports a 1.75" HF drivers."

"B215D - 1.35" Compression Driver"
Are those exit sizes or diaphram sizes? They're unsual sizes so I'm guessing diaphram.
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Are those exit sizes or diaphram sizes? They're unsual sizes so I'm guessing diaphram.
By the look of my speaker, just eyeballing it, it is the diaphram. The opening looks the same size as my other 1" horns.
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How so?
The speakers will be super flat, which seems fine and they are studio level but due to the flatness it greatly hurts the highs even if you do weirdly get some extra bass due to the full range.

I have mixed and tested the LSR2325p's with their matched subwoofer and they did not give me the accuracy I needed. I would have been served better with the B212XL's. Taking things from my current setup to a full blown JBL theater...I get accurate sound to what I get at home now. Maybe that is a good enough reason...
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Thank`s guys,

I am most think about whether I use cinema surrounds like JBL 8320or diy surroundarrays. Additionally I'll look around orotherwise in the Forum. Maybe there are Yes newer boxes to a younger model


Diy, diy, d-i-y! :-)

DIY - Yes, I did it . I`ve built a surround line with eight 3inch speakers (1 speaker per foot) from VISATON a side. In the beginning I still had doubts if the surround-line with the small 3inch speakers (83 db) would work proper with the 215er (97 db). Fading out frequenzies under 100 hz and volume up the surroundchannel they sound great together. I never heard such a realistic surroundsound regardless from wich seatplace.
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Just heard the 212xl at a small outdoor gig. No subwoofer support with 4 vocals, keys, and electric guitar going through it. Of course I had no point of reference but I was quite surprised how nice these sounded. Would have loved to hear some recorded music I know. Their size was impressively small also.
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Just heard the 212xl at a small outdoor gig. No subwoofer support with 4 vocals, keys, and electric guitar going through it. Of course I had no point of reference but I was quite surprised how nice these sounded. Would have loved to hear some recorded music I know. Their size was impressively small also.
I agree. They do sound very nice, especially the compression driver. Looks like Behringer sacrificed the low end to make the cabs as compact as possible. Doesn't matter in HT though. A pair of subwoofers can easily make up for the loss of low bass.
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However, over the past year I've heard a lot of different speakers, including DIY SEOS builds and a broad array of commercial speakers, from $100/pair up to $150,000/pair. Overall, speakers I liked the most had a lot more in common with the Behringer B215XLs than typical dome tweeter-based speakers aimed at consumers.
@imagic , since you say you like two-way designs with horn-based tweeters, have you considered an upgraded vintage Klipsch speaker? How do they compare to the Behringer with music? Also, I'd image the smaller of the vintage Klipsch speakers, like the Forte II's for Chorus II's, would have a higher SAF as well!
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@imagic , since you say you like two-way designs with horn-based tweeters, have you considered an upgraded vintage Klipsch speaker? How do they compare to the Behringer with music? Also, I'd image the smaller of the vintage Klipsch speakers, like the Forte II's for Chorus II's, would have a higher SAF as well!
Simply put, I have no urge to upgrade or tweak my Behringers. The performance is there, track after track. I get to put all my attention into other aspects of the AV experience.
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Simply put, I have no urge to upgrade or tweak my Behringers. The performance is there, track after track. I get to put all my attention into other aspects of the AV experience.
I completely agree, I'm in the same boat.
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So do the 212's have better horizontal dispersion than the 215's? Still debating which one would be better in a medium size bedroom. Reading this thread is very exciting but when I go to other sites and utube they say this is a starter speaker, gee, thanks for bursting my bubble utube. Decisions, decisions!
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So do the 212's have better horizontal dispersion than the 215's? Still debating which one would be better in a medium size bedroom. Reading this thread is very exciting but when I go to other sites and utube they say this is a starter speaker, gee, thanks for bursting my bubble utube. Decisions, decisions!
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Reading this thread is very exciting but when I go to other sites and utube they say this is a starter speaker, gee, thanks for bursting my bubble Youtube. Decisions, decisions!
Are you talking about the dude in the basement, the guy throw'n the massive "partee" in his backyard, or the unbiased video review from the retail outlet?
Credible reviews are few and far between.

I remember reading a while back about the B215's being auditioned at an AVS gtg, but can't remember if it was blind. Does anyone know if there has been a level matched blind comparison done with higher end speakers?

(Hi again tyee. We met at Joe's gtg this summer. If I remember correctly you brought Tux's 1099's for audition. Would have been interesting to have the Behringer's there too but already too many speakers at the time.)

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Are you talking about the dude in the basement, the guy throw'n the massive "partee" in his backyard, or the unbiased video review from the retail outlet?
Credible reviews are few and far between.

I remember reading a while back about the B215's being auditioned at an AVS gtg, but can't remember if it was blind. Does anyone know if there has been a level matched blind comparison done with higher end speakers?
I thought imagic did this? I just looked for the link but could not find it. I think he said that all but the most crazy loud level it was a rock star. I've brought mine to reference at -5db on my SC-37 and they hold up, but yes stupid loud, not sure when I would watch a movie like that. I like -10 or -15 much better.
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I see tuxedocivic has posted a few times here. I wonder if he could rework the crossover to make this speaker full range, ignoring sensitivity of course? Or is it that some woofers just can't go too low because of physical design?
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Hi Tony, the XO design can't change how low a speaker will play. Although the port tuning might be higher than necessary to accomodate higher power handling in the PA realm. So extending the ports MIGHT improve bass response. Something the XO can do is flatten any baffle step losses at the expense of sensitivity. In home use, this is usually preferred while in PA any baffle step losses are mostly ignored. If you're not sure what baffle step is, just briefly it's a 6db loss in output from about 500hz and down on a speaker like this. Correcting for that in the XO would make the speaker sound more full/bassy.

The 1099 and B215 were compared at Popalock's going away party. They weren't compared in any strict sense. Just a casual thing. I don't think Mark got to hear them indoors but the other guests did. If you read those comments, do keep in mind the 1099 is more expensive and requires assembly. I was happy with what people had to say though

As for the dispersion, you asked "do they have BETTER dispersion". Well, yes and know and depends... The 12" will lose directivity higher in frequency, which is a bad thing actually. These large woofer horn based speakers are about directivity control, which the 15" does better. Now if you're asking, which has a WIDER horizontal dispersion, that would be the 12".
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Got my hands on a used pair of 212`s today. Do not have the correct cables to test them this weekend, but looking forward to it. They will not replace my current speakers (diy inConcert Miles) but I have to test these for fun. Four pd.186 subs will help with everything under 80-90hz. If I like them they will become mains in my parents planned (budget) home theater for the grandkids.
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Got my hands on a used pair of 212`s today. Do not have the correct cables to test them this weekend, but looking forward to it. They will not replace my current speakers (diy inConcert Miles) but I have to test these for fun. Four pd.186 subs will help with everything under 80-90hz. If I like them they will become mains in my parents planned (budget) home theater for the grandkids.
Have you had a chance to use them, what do you think? I run 3 for my LCR.
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Ordered the cables Saturday but still no sign of them. Took 3 days to get order confirmation, so I think I might have to wait a couple more days before I get to test them.
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Just sold some Behringer stuff to a local DJ. We got talking and he has the B215XL's and he's going to bring them over next week for me to try! Nice, finally get to hear these. I will post my results then.
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Wow... I am thoroughly impressed. Got them hooked up yesterday, and got about an hour of listening in before the kids stormed through the door. Got another hour of critical listening this morning. I could easily live with these, both for music and HT. Tested all sorts of music and the B212`s took it all in its stride.
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Wow... I am thoroughly impressed. Got them hooked up yesterday, and got about an hour of listening in before the kids stormed through the door. Got another hour of critical listening this morning. I could easily live with these, both for music and HT. Tested all sorts of music and the B212`s took it all in its stride.
Did you cross them over at 80hz to a subwoofer? What sub are you running?
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Wow... I am thoroughly impressed. Got them hooked up yesterday, and got about an hour of listening in before the kids stormed through the door. Got another hour of critical listening this morning. I could easily live with these, both for music and HT. Tested all sorts of music and the B212`s took it all in its stride.
Even after CEDIA 2014 and all the supersystems I heard there, my B215s did not disappoint when I got home last night.

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@imagic Did you happen to get a chance to listen to the JBL synthesis Atmos setup? Looks like they went all out on that one.

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@imagic Did you happen to get a chance to listen to the JBL synthesis Atmos setup? Looks like they went all out on that one.
Yes, I did. I'm going to write that one up tonight. I have a Dolby Atmos demo disc that allows me to listen to the same clips via my 7.1 system, that's one of the things I did last night.

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Yes, I did. I'm going to write that one up tonight. I have a Dolby Atmos demo disc that allows me to listen to the same clips via my 7.1 system, that's one of the things I did last night.
Great. I have M2's in transit and I'm about to pull the trigger on the SCS8 surrounds they had setup for the demo. So I'm looking forward a bit keenly to your thoughts

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Did you cross them over at 80hz to a subwoofer? What sub are you running?
Cross over at 90hz on my system Doc. I am running 3 (soon 4) Precision Devices pd.186 DIY subs. I use my HT mostly for concert BD, and my fokus is "slam/punch" above 20hz. Normaly I run my fronts full range (DIY using Beyma TPL-150H and two 15P80Nd), but very happy with the sound when using B212 crossed at 90hz. Very "clean and open" sound.
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Mark, have you heard the B12XL's? I'm debating about the 12's or the 15's. My main use for them would be in my lower level family room and using them for my daughter's school when they have movie nights in the gym. I run that for them and I know both of these will fill the gym fine, I'm just wondering about the family room. Is there a quality of component difference between the two?

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Yes, I did. I'm going to write that one up tonight. I have a Dolby Atmos demo disc that allows me to listen to the same clips via my 7.1 system, that's one of the things I did last night.
This makes me want to try these. If only they weren't hideous.

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Yes, I did. I'm going to write that one up tonight. I have a Dolby Atmos demo disc that allows me to listen to the same clips via my 7.1 system, that's one of the things I did last night.
How did the tritonone atmos setup compare SQ wise to your Behringer set up? Do you think they are comparable sq wise?
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How did the tritonone atmos setup compare SQ wise to your Behringer set up? Do you think they are comparable sq wise?
The GoldenEar Atmos demo exceeded what I can achieve with my own system. Don't get me wrong, I love my system and it sounds quite profound; but I'm not Sandy Gross and that guy was running his own demo that sounded as good as you'd expect from a living legend among speaker designers—Tremendous. That said, I'm sure my Behringers could sound a bit sweeter if I had Pass Labs amps, two pairs of B212 XLs on my ceiling and another pair for surrounds, and a flagship-level Atmos AVR running the system.

I played the Atmos demo disc on my system, which renders as 5.1 audio. It sounded fantastic, it was only really missing height info.

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