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Has anyone measured frequency response from the MLP on these yet? Where are you guys setting your crossover? 

 

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I'm setting up a minDSP nanoAVR, and I have a calibration mic on the way. I'll have the ability to take highly accurate measurements within a few days.

Hey I was interested in the nanoAVR too! Having the miniDSP balanced 2x4 and a measurement mic for my diy sub has been invaluable so having that kind of control on every channel is very tempting. 

 

Can't wait to hear your results/thoughts.

 

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Local Guitar Center has Speakon/banana cable @ $26 for 10 ft. I was wanting to use one like in your link or a Speakon to Speakon and save $10 per cable.
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Yep, that is exactly what I did, and it was super simple. In fact, unless you're in a hurry (impatient) like me, you should definitely get these online. I paid almost $8 each from my local Guitar Center.

...I did have a heck of a time unscrewing these to get to the internal screws. I think I broke the little strain relief inside. It was so tight I had to use 2 sets of pliers to hold/twist. Other than the silver latch, I didn't see any other way to free up the barrel for twisting. What did I miss?
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Yep, that is exactly what I did, and it was super simple. In fact, unless you're in a hurry (impatient) like me, you should definitely get these online. I paid almost $8 each from my local Guitar Center.

...I did have a heck of a time unscrewing these to get to the internal screws. I think I broke the little strain relief inside. It was so tight I had to use 2 sets of pliers to hold/twist. Other than the silver latch, I didn't see any other way to free up the barrel for twisting. What did I miss?


Only thing I can think of is it was cross threaded some how. Haven't run into that problem myself. Knock on wood.


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I took the easy out and bought these on Amazon, knowing they are not the most affordable option.
"Monster Standard 100 -10' - Speak-On to Banana Plugs"

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Cool, next week I am comparing my DR-250 arrays against the mighty U215 from Yorkville. People say these are on par with the very best at GTG's so I will know where I stand with my arrays.

I've been looking into the Yorkville U15 powered and unpowered versions. The unpowered version needs a processor and then an equalization to sound it's best. The U15 powered version sounds very good from what most pros say on prosoundweb.com. Some where I read the U215 also needs a Yorkville processor but I'm not 100% sure. There is no powered version of the U215 but it most likely also needs equalization.

I went down to my local music store recently to hear the U15 powered version and I did like it even though the demo was on the sales counter of the rental department and the speakers were a few inches apart! Yeah, I guess that's how pros demo things.
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Gosh darn these things sound good. I feel like I stole the sound from somebody's high end speakers and put it into these.

 

Sorry, my enthusiasm got the better of me. I'll go back to my man cave now.

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Gosh darn these things sound good. I feel like I stole the sound from somebody's high end speakers and put it into these.

 

Sorry, my enthusiasm got the better of me. I'll go back to my man cave now.

 

I was just thinking the same thing. Today, I'm listening to a bunch of music in stereo and the imaging is amazing. Every high-end audio trick in the book seems to be within their reach. I'm dialing them in with my nanoAVR, but I'm still waiting for a calibration mic to really do it right. Here's how my pair looks with a sine sweep, subs crossed-over at 90 Hz.

 

I still have a bit of work to do. I used EQ to take down a bass hump around 150 Hz but with a calibration mic I can be much more accurate. I have to work on the crossover a bit more as well. Still, I'm within +/- 3dB at my MLP.

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Looking good. I guess I'll have to get a mic and do the same.  Just for the heck of it cause I'm pretty darn happy as it is now.


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I just ordered a nano minidsp with the mic. I also will be picking up the u215's for a fellow member and then after demoing them I will ship them to him. I will EQ every system and compare my DIY speakers to the u215's and see which I like more. So far I like my horn arrays better than everything else that crossed their path and the big boys are only left. I am curious if the big boys can really separate from them or not. I consider the U215's one of the big boys but not the top dog, I really believe that goes to the Danley SH-50's. They cost $4500 each where my DIY speakers cost $500 each.
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I only watched about an hour of Oblivion and about 45 min. of the latest Hobbit movie. Both a -10 and didn't get any fatigue in my ears. They don't sound harsh to my ears. If they did they would be back in their boxes and ready to go back from where they came.
-10 is far from reference. Can you crank it louder? Perhaps -5dB to 0dB.
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-10 is far from reference. Can you crank it louder? Perhaps -5dB to 0dB.


I'll give it a whirl tomorrow.  Dang, you are soooo hard to please.  :D


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Do you think these can be easily powered to reference levels by around 70 watts?

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Do you think these can be easily powered to reference levels by around 70 watts?

 

It depends on your room size and seating distance. Look at it another way: 70 watts into a B215XL results in the same output as a Polk Monitor 75T powered by 280 watts. However, with the Polk, 275 watts is the power handling limit. With the Behringer and 70 watts, there's still plenty of headroom beyond that, so the speaker will not struggle.


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It depends on your room size and seating distance. Look at it another way: 70 watts into a B215XL results in the same output as a Polk Monitor 75T powered by 280 watts. However, with the Polk, 275 watts is the power handling limit. With the Behringer, there's still plenty of headroom beyond that.

Room size is 12'x12' listening position is roughly 8'. I'm trying hard not to upgrade my receiver. These just might save me..

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Room size is 12'x12' listening position is roughly 8'. I'm trying hard not to upgrade my receiver. These just might save me..

 

Yes, you'll reach reference levels with that setup and seventy watts of power per speaker. Getting 85 dB out of one B215XL at eight feet takes less than a watt. Hitting a 105 dB peak might cost you twenty or thirty watts. You can go past reference.


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If you can use a third one for a center I'd do it Alpha. I used to own the CS2 which is on par with the 25C. Night and day difference.

 

Edit: After looking at your photos it doesn't look like you could use one for a center. You might try doing a phantom center comparing that with your Polk center.


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how about using the Eurolive B215XL for surrounds as well, so one will have 7.1 Eurolive B215XL system.
What do you guys think?
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how about using the Eurolive B215XL for surrounds as well, so one will have 7.1 Eurolive B215XL system.
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That's my next upgrade, three more B215s so I can have a matched 5.1 system.


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If you want to save some money just use your existing speaker wires and wire them at the speaker end to some speakon connectors. Easily done.

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That's my next upgrade, three more B215s so I can have a matched 5.1 system.

Cool that sound awesome biggrin.gif
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I agree whole heartedly with the power conversation. Earlier in the thread I stated that I might look into amping these, to "have more headroom". I was just wrong. There, I said it. smile.gif

I suppose the lack of low end (I was listening with no sub) caused me to think this way. Since I've added a small sub to the mix....eek.gif Jaw dropping. In my room, there is no way I could use more than the 70W I have...I value my hearing.

These, paired with the DIY sub(s) I'm planning, and I just might be done.
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If you can use a third one for a center I'd do it Alpha. I used to own the CS2 which is on par with the 25C. Night and day difference.

Edit: After looking at your photos it doesn't look like you could use one for a center. You might try doing a phantom center comparing that with your Polk center.

I would rid myself of the tv stand and go to a stacking shelf system similar to yours for the gear and mount the tv on the wall, I'll have to see how tall the 215 is but I think it would still fit underneath, angled up.
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Yes, you'll reach reference levels with that setup and seventy watts of power per speaker. Getting 85 dB out of one B215XL at eight feet takes less than a watt. Hitting a 105 dB peak might cost you twenty or thirty watts. You can go past reference.

This is comforting. I'm eager to try these out. My polk monitors seem to lose some clarity the closer I get to reference volume. But the bass output is pretty good.

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I was just thinking the same thing. Today, I'm listening to a bunch of music in stereo and the imaging is amazing. Every high-end audio trick in the book seems to be within their reach. I'm dialing them in with my nanoAVR, but I'm still waiting for a calibration mic to really do it right. Here's how my pair looks with a sine sweep, subs crossed-over at 90 Hz.

I still have a bit of work to do. I used EQ to take down a bass hump around 150 Hz but with a calibration mic I can be much more accurate. I have to work on the crossover a bit more as well. Still, I'm within +/- 3dB at my MLP.


Do you have a chart without the subwoofer? I'll like to know if the B215XL play till 80Hz as it's the standard crossover for HT setup.
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I am also very curious about how well these play crossed over at 80hz as well.
For my system I have generally preferred to have things set at 80hz or a bit lower and I am in the market for a good affordable center to compliment a pair of Klipsch KLF-30s.

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Do you have a chart without the subwoofer? I'll like to know if the B215XL play till 80Hz as it's the standard crossover for HT setup.

 

Here is the left front speaker, from the main listening position, no crossover and no sub—but with a bit of EQ to smooth out the room response. 

 

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Here is the left front speaker, from the main listening position, no crossover and no sub—but with a bit of EQ to smooth out the room response. 


Thanks a lot, bud. It deserves a 90Hz xo to the sub, despite the big 15 incher.
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-10 is far from reference. Can you crank it louder? Perhaps -5dB to 0dB.


Other than being far too loud at my seating distance of 9 feet they handle it fine. My ears can't last that long at 0db though. Not from any harshness but just the volume being so loud for being 9 feet back. -5db was more tolerable.


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Other than being far too loud at my seating distance of 9 feet they handle it fine. My ears can't last that long at 0db though. Not from any harshness but just the volume being so loud for being 9 feet back. -5db was more tolerable.

You haven't lived until you've watched movies at +15, using your amp as a space heater.

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