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If you look at the pa speakers on parts express many of the 15"have more sensitivity so you can't really generalize. A larger speaker will move less for a given output and "should" have lower distortion.

Well, wouldn't it also (generically, anyway) be true that the larger driver wouldn't move as quickly, and so not reproduce the music as well?

Asking, not arguing, because I'm far too ignorant to pretend that I know enough to contradict anyone. heh.

EDIT: To clarify, I mean that since the 15" driver is being used as a lower mid-range driver in a setup with a subwoofer, why wouldn't the 12" be a better choice because it will move more quickly to reproduce the sound? Of course it all depends on driver quality, enclosure qual., efficiency, etc., but when it's two very similar loudspeakers from the same company, and taking for granted that both drivers are built to the same quality levels, I can't seem to get my head around the idea that the smaller driver wouldn't better reproduce sound requiring faster response time for mid-range sounds. I understand that the 15" would be a better fit for HT, and I imagine the 1.75" tweeter would be capable of mid-range duties as well.

I guess the answer would require both of them in an A/B test situation for those particular speakers.
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I will come back and read your post when I am awake, but I'm sorry if I came off as argumentative. Just throwing ideas around.

What I've been slowly learning myself is that ideally you want to keep things as linear as possible, impedance curves matter alot, quality I'd construction as you mentioned too (pyle vs eminence...lol), and probably lots ofother subtleties we mere humans aren't even of aware of yet. T/S is great but ass had happened in the past ears sometimes tell a bit different story over paper.

Anyway my meek mind us becoming more aware of things but if I've learned anything its to just keep reading.

Tuxedocivic has some excellent insights.

If I were to design my own speaker I would be looking at linearity over the desired reproduction and Vol level, impedance curves and sensitivity (lets face it power is relatively cheap for a small room these days, both in terms of amp and actual costs for electricity). As big as feasibly possible while maintaining good directivity till the tweeter/cd kicks in...(wow lots to consider), this also reduces cone movement, reducing distortion. Distorted bass seems more pleasant than mid and high range/vocals, because of its one thing even people who don't care about audio quality know, it is what a human should sound like :-) my wife even noted that the tempest 12 sound much clearer than my polk rti8 (that were crossed at 60hz even). If she notices it makes me happy because most of the time I could enter tyke room naked, do a strut and leave and she wouldn't care...married to long I guess.

Anyway, again, didn't wasn't to diminish you personally, just chatting. I'd demo my stuff if you were local! You would agree a 12" paper cone moves faster/less distance thatn the dual 6.5" poly comes in the rti8 (which are quite acceptable actually).
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The fact that Mark and XStanleyX are reporting that the B215XL is an excellent low cost option for music and movies in no way extrapolates to other models in the Behringer line. I wouldn't even consider going with a complete unknown to save $25 a cabinet when the B215XL has two credible AVS members singing accolades.
Finding professional audio gear reviews is not easy. A big thanks to Mark for trying the B215's out and reporting.

It seems like the parts are the same, at the end of the day its more about the look and performance. Cost is not a motivator but look is.
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The fact that Mark and XStanleyX are reporting that the B215XL is an excellent low cost option for music and movies in no way extrapolates to other models in the Behringer line. I wouldn't even consider going with a complete unknown to save $25 a cabinet when the B215XL has two credible AVS members singing accolades.
Finding professional audio gear reviews is not easy. A big thanks to Mark for trying the B215's out and reporting.

It seems like the parts are the same, at the end of the day its more about the look and performance. Cost is not a motivator but look is.

 

How do you know the parts are the same? For one thing, the crossover point on the VS1520 is 3000 Hz, likely due to the smaller horn the tweeter uses. The B215XL takes maximum advantage of its enclosure to provide a horn that crosses over at 2000 Hz. There are likely other differences, but right off the bat having a different tweeter and crossover is enough to result in a speaker that sounds quite different.


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Hello Mark,

 

Would you recommend the B215XL for many different types of music? In my research, I found that they are designed primarily as a PA speaker and not intended for music. I listen to many different genres of music and need a well-rounded full-range speaker.

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Also, have you heard these Behringer speakers?

 

http://www.amazon.com/Behringer-B3031A-Reference-Monitor-Speaker/dp/B001F1ZMHY

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Hello Mark,

 

Would you recommend the B215XL for many different types of music? In my research, I found that they are designed primarily as a PA speaker and not intended for music. I listen to many different genres of music and need a well-rounded full-range speaker.

 

They sound great with music. PA speakers typically use horn loaded compression driver tweeters, that's the primary distinction. Some people (like me) prefer the sound of compression driver/horn combos. Others like domes, or ribbons, or other types of tweeters. WHen it comes to music, the B215XLs sound great to me.

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Also, have you heard these Behringer speakers?

 

http://www.amazon.com/Behringer-B3031A-Reference-Monitor-Speaker/dp/B001F1ZMHY

 

That's another speaker with a good reputation for sound quality. In fact, it's less of a "secret" than the B215XLs. There's much to like about 'em, but the B215XL is more of a home theater speaker, it requires a sub (the TRUTH plays quite low). However the B215XLs are more efficient and work with receivers that don't have preamp outputs. 


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These are from Vienna Acoustics. I have auditioned these, they sound wonderful. I wish I could hear the Behringer B3031, B215XL and the Vienna Haydn side by side.

 

http://www.vienna-acoustics.com/products/haydn/haydn.php

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I have another question for the B215XL operators: which surrounds you have combined with the BEHRINGER?

 

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I have another question for the B215XL operators: which surrounds you have combined with the BEHRINGER?
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Tonal matching across Left - Center - Right channels is important, in which case "three of the same" is the best practice.
For surrounds it is more critical that you choose something that fits your room physically and provides proper coverage which will depend on your seat configuration and speaker location.
There is so much back and forth in the forums regarding surround speakers that I won't even offer my opinion.
Or you could just go with 4 of these babies! (I think the model comes free with purchase, she'll just be about 40 years older now. smile.gif)


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I've used the Polk RTi15's and M&K S-150THX speakers as surrounds with them. All were crossed at 80Hz.  I could swing with either of them. I may not be as picky as some folks for surrounds.


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I'm going to be picking up a 215XL likely tomorrow. Going to do some testing and if it's too my liking I'm going to sell of my mains and replace them. I am going to keep my Boston VR12 likely. My mains(Bose 10.2 II) are under performing by as much as 6db and its throwing off my over all sound balance.
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Tonal matching across Left - Center - Right channels is important, in which case "three of the same" is the best practice.
For surrounds it is more critical that you choose something that fits your room physically and provides proper coverage which will depend on your seat configuration and speaker location.
There is so much back and forth in the forums regarding surround speakers that I won't even offer my opinion.
Or you could just go with 4 of these babies! (I think the model comes free with purchase, she'll just be about 40 years older now. smile.gif)

 

 

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I've used the Polk RTi15's and M&K S-150THX speakers as surrounds with them. All were crossed at 80Hz.  I could swing with either of them. I may not be as picky as some folks for surrounds.

 

Thank`s guys,

 

I am most think about whether I use cinema surrounds like JBL 8320 or diy surround arrays. Additionally I'll look around or otherwise in the Forum. Maybe there are Yes newer boxes to a younger model:D

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Thank`s guys,

Iammostthink aboutwhetherI use cinema surrounds like JBL 8320or diy surroundarrays. AdditionallyI'll look around orotherwiseintheForum. MaybethereareYesnewerboxestoayoungermodel:D

Diy, diy, d-i-y! :-)
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Well picked up two of the B212XL I should get them soon I'll post some pictures and give you guys a review of some kind.
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I chose the Axiom QS8s and I would absolutely buy them again. Overall I'm very pleased with the surrounding stage/sound. Understanding its a vastly different design from the 215XL I was worried I would be able to pick up on it. However - so far so good, I have not been able to hear anything that has made me second guess my choice. What they have done is open up a much more 3D listening experience in my theater and make me really appreciate the HD audio on Blu-rays.
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I will have the following setup sometime this week:
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Center: Boston VR12
L/R: B212XL
Surrounds: JBL 8330A
Subwoofers: Sony SA-WM40 & JBL LSR2310SP

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I chose the Axiom QS8s and I would absolutely buy them again. Overall I'm very pleased with the surrounding stage/sound. Understanding its a vastly different design from the 215XL I was worried I would be able to pick up on it. However - so far so good, I have not been able to hear anything that has made me second guess my choice. What they have done is open up a much more 3D listening experience in my theater and make me really appreciate the HD audio on Blu-rays.

Surrounds at almost double the price of the mains. Interesting.

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Surrounds at almost double the price of the mains. Interesting.

 

.... and pa at almost half the Price of home-hifi mains. Interesting too :D 

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I'm looking to replace 3 Triad Gold LCR speakers (older version). I would like some midbass from my LCR's. I have lots of eq options such as my umc-200 which has a peq built in. They will be powered by an Emotiva LPA-1 (125 watts/8 ohms). I have 2 18" Mal-X's, each with their own EP 2500 and 2 15" tempest powered by samson s1000 so my low end is taken care of. My room is 28x18x9 and the speakers will be located behind an AT screen. Would the B215XL be a good choice?
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I couldn't agree more, whether you DIY it or buy it. Compression driver horn tweeters and nice big woofer go together well.

And have since the very early days of high fidelity audio.
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I'm looking to replace 3 Triad Gold LCR speakers (older version). I would like some midbass from my LCR's. I have lots of eq options such as my umc-200 which has a peq built in. They will be powered by an Emotiva LPA-1 (125 watts/8 ohms). I have 2 18" Mal-X's, each with their own EP 2500 and 2 15" tempest powered by samson s1000 so my low end is taken care of. My room is 28x18x9 and the speakers will be located behind an AT screen. Would the B215XL be a good choice?
No. The B215XL lacks mid bass.
If you want mid bass, you should be looking at the JBL Pro Cinema line of speakers. There's a discussion about JBL's 3677 in avs.
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I'm looking to replace 3 Triad Gold LCR speakers (older version). I would like some midbass from my LCR's. I have lots of eq options such as my umc-200 which has a peq built in. They will be powered by an Emotiva LPA-1 (125 watts/8 ohms). I have 2 18" Mal-X's, each with their own EP 2500 and 2 15" tempest powered by samson s1000 so my low end is taken care of. My room is 28x18x9 and the speakers will be located behind an AT screen. Would the B215XL be a good choice?

 

As long as you plan to cross over at 80Hz or above then nothing is lacking. Below 80Hz, FR drops like a rock and EQ won't help much. It all depends on your definition of midbass.


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As long as you plan to cross over at 80Hz or above then nothing is lacking. Below 80Hz, FR drops like a rock and EQ won't help much. It all depends on your definition of midbass.

Thanks for the input guys.

That is to bad. I had hope based on your initial review that I could EQ them to extended the bass down to 40hz. That would be enough Midbass for me (60-300hz?). Looks like I will have to wait and save up for some JBL's.
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As long as you plan to cross over at 80Hz or above then nothing is lacking. Below 80Hz, FR drops like a rock and EQ won't help much. It all depends on your definition of midbass.

Thanks for the input guys.

That is to bad. I had hope based on your initial review that I could EQ them to extended the bass down to 40hz. That would be enough Midbass for me (60-300hz?). Looks like I will have to wait and save up for some JBL's.

 

You could get something going at 60 Hz. I just edited that review, at 40Hz it just takes too much power to get usable response; I said a 10dB boost does it, but that's 10X the power. It's not worth it.


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You could get something going at 60 Hz. I will edit that review, at 40Hz it just takes too much power to get usable response; it's not worth it.

Getting to 60 would probably be worth it as an interm solution for me as I can use these in another setup in the house later on. Budget for JBL's would be about a year away. As for too much power, are we talking more than the 125 watts put out by the emotiva?
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Here's an in-room measurement (no EQ) from about 1 meter, if that helps.


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That plot certainly doesn't look like anything I would call a frequency response flat enough to be called high fidelity.
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