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Hi

I need some help or explanation about Energy Take Classic 5.1.

I've bought yamaha htr3066 with bose acoustimass 6 as a system just to play around with it and test it out. It sounded good. 

Then I went and spent some time reading about speakers and decided to go with Energy Take Classic 5.1.

I've connected them yesterday to the same yamaha receiver with 16 gauge speaker wire and these speakers don't sound even close as good as bose.

I was under impression that I will have something better then bose and so far nothing but disappointment.

Please help. Any advise?

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did you run YPAO and re-calibrate your system or did you just plug the speakers in and go?

Also, if I were to upgrade from AM-6 speakers my next move would be bookshelf speakers, not more satellites.
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The Energy's require a different set-up method than the Bose Speakers. Its not just plug in play.

How did you connect the Energy subwoofer to your receiver?

Did re calibrate the speakers?
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i agree with Afrogt...it is not much of an upgrade from one Satelite system with small driver to another Sat system. but yes, I would run YPAO.

When properly set up, you should hear the two advantages to the Take classics... Tweeters and a real subwoofer (although small and unimpressive, it should be better than the Bass module)

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hi

I did run YPAO and re-calibrated system. 

I connected sub-woofer with RCA subwoofer cable to the LINE IN/SUB IN left.

Just FYI i did not replace bose for energy - i got bose for testing - will return it.

I took into consideration energy opinion.

Any other setup you would recommend - I mean bookshelf speakers. Dont have too much space so would prefer smth smaller.

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Some smallish, inexpensive bookshelf options:
Cambridge Audio s30s, around 200/pr...
Infinity Primus p163, sometime as low at 150/pr...
Def Tech SM350, currently 350/pr, but they have dipped as low as 200/pr...
Pioneer AJ BS21, somewhere around 100/pr on sale...

All will sound better than Bose or Energy Takes, IMHO!

If you really need small, like "Bose cube" kind of small, I would look at Cambridge Audio Minx or Orb as pretty good small sat speakers!

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Some smallish, inexpensive bookshelf options:
Cambridge Audio s30s, around 200/pr...
Infinity Primus p163, sometime as low at 150/pr...
Def Tech SM350, currently 350/pr, but they have dipped as low as 200/pr...
Pioneer AJ BS21, somewhere around 100/pr on sale...

All will sound better than Bose or Energy Takes, IMHO!

If you really need small, like "Bose cube" kind of small, I would look at Cambridge Audio Minx or Orb as pretty good small sat speakers!

+1 to the s30. Huge upgrade from the Bose and take classic.
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I did run YPAO and re-calibrated system. 
I connected sub-woofer with RCA subwoofer cable to the LINE IN/SUB IN left.
Just FYI i did not replace bose for energy - i got bose for testing - will return it.
I took into consideration energy opinion.
Any other setup you would recommend - I mean bookshelf speakers. Dont have too much space so would prefer smth smaller.
thanks.
For the time being make sure all the speakers are set to 'SMALL' and using a crossover of '120hz'
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will make sure they are set to small and 120hz.

The sound from bose was really good enough for me but i thought (based on reviews) energy take will sound better.

I saw a term "break in " on energy site. Could that be a factor that they need some time to broken in?

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will make sure they are set to small and 120hz.
The sound from bose was really good enough for me but i thought (based on reviews) energy take will sound better.
I saw a term "break in " on energy site. Could that be a factor that they need some time to broken in?
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They are on the same level of sound with the edge going to the Energy's. Bose are just way too over priced in comparison.

Getting smaller bookshelf speakers like suggested above will give you a noticable improvement
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The break in period will make a very marginal difference in SQ, if any!

Set up #1: EMP e5ti, e5Ci, and SLS Q line Audio surrounds, EMP 10i10i sub
Set up #2: Def Tech SM450, CLR2002, SLS Qline surrounds and Klipsch 12wD sub
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With break-in > you may hear a 5% difference in bass - however with Energy, it means nothing.

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I re-calibrated them again - used a tripod for that and still they don't sound good. I compare them to bose that I still have (about to return them). 

Sound is tinny, not as rich as from bose (dont take me wrong - I bought energy and want them to be better or at least equal to bose - i based my purchase on energy reviews).

Do you think it could be smth about receiver? this receiver came in an bundle with bose - it is Yamaha htr 3066.

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You could be that very small percentage of people that like the Bose better.

So I agree with afrogt. Get yourself some bookshelf speakers instead of small satellite ones.

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You could be that very small percentage of people that like the Bose better.

So I agree with afrogt. Get yourself some bookshelf speakers instead of small satellite ones.
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I could squeeze 2 bookshelf speakers as front speakers but for rear I definitely need smaller speakers and + subwoofer.

Would it be ok to use 2 bookshelf + 2 satellites?

Any suggestions for 5.1 setup?

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I could squeeze 2 bookshelf speakers as front speakers but for rear I definitely need smaller speakers and + subwoofer.
Would it be ok to use 2 bookshelf + 2 satellites?
Any suggestions for 5.1 setup?
thanks guys.

What is your max budget - what is the limit on the subwoofer size?
The Energy has a lower treble dip - you for some reason, may like
the higher pitch of Bose in that region.

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you might be right here about treble - this actually apply more to my wife. :)

If I could get some speakers that will be better from these (overpriced) Bose in similar price that would be great.

That Yamaha receiver + Bose costs $750 in costco. I will return it soon. So if I can get something in that price range (speakers+ receiver).

Have to check if I can return Energy as well - got them from amazon.

If I add 2 bookshelf speakers to energy - would that work ok?

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you might be right here about treble - this actually apply more to my wife. smile.gif
If I could get some speakers that will be better from these (overpriced) Bose in similar price that would be great.
That Yamaha receiver + Bose costs $750 in costco. I will return it soon. So if I can get something in that price range (speakers+ receiver).
Have to check if I can return Energy as well - got them from amazon.
If I add 2 bookshelf speakers to energy - would that work ok?
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I would change the front 3 speakers. What is the limit on the bookshelf size and your center?

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size of these cambridge s30 and s50 is acceptable but this will boost the overall price. 300 energy + 200+200.

Any other setup maybe up to 500 together for speakers and I will return the energy.

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is this DENON AVR-1613 better from from yamaha RX-V475 in your opinion?

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size of these cambridge s30 and s50 is acceptable but this will boost the overall price. 300 energy + 200+200.
Any other setup maybe up to 500 together for speakers and I will return the energy.

is this DENON AVR-1613 better from from yamaha RX-V475 in your opinion?

The Cambridge is more than worth it

The receiver depends on the frills you want - the Denon will have a little more surround power.

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what about rear speakers and sub-woofer if i decide to get the hole package?

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what about rear speakers and sub-woofer if i decide to get the hole package?
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Depends on the budget for rears and subwoofer
What is the max after the Cambridge front 3?

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I re-calibrated them again - used a tripod for that and still they don't sound good. I compare them to bose that I still have (about to return them). 
Sound is tinny, not as rich as from bose (dont take me wrong - I bought energy and want them to be better or at least equal to bose - i based my purchase on energy reviews).
Do you think it could be smth about receiver? this receiver came in an bundle with bose - it is Yamaha htr 3066.
thanks

Speakers sound differnt to different people.

I traded in my PSB Alpha B1's, which the internet tells me are "better", for these, and I LOVE THE SOUND they are awesome compared to the way more expensive PSB's.

To each his own.

I would seriously try these out, the sound really good compared to the more expensive bookshelf speakers I bought first and then returned.

http://www.av-express.com/AV-Catalog/71-Home-Theater-Speakers-And-Systems/7SurroundSoundSpeakerSetforSLSQ-LineGold

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As discussed in many threads, the very least you want speakers that you can cross with a sub at 80 hz. You will not be able to do that with the Bose, energy takes, or sls speakers. Btw, I use the sls speakers as surrounds in one of my two 5.1 and in the role, they are fine n (Even though I need to cross them above 100hz). The CA s30 would good, smallish speakers that can hit below 80hz!

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I unpacked bose again and it sounded better from energy (at least for me). Then I heard Infinity Primus p153 and 143 yesterday in the store and I will be sending back energy and taking back bose.

Just the hole set of infinity is a little expensive so I will wait for some deal for bookshelf speakers on line or in the store. I also would like to get a pair of front speakers with center to try it out.

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