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I'm looking for something mainly for TV and movies and don't need a lot of bass. Which setup should I go with?
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Based on many people's opinions on these....either one.

Fairly similar quality - obviously, not sounding exactly the same. You chose.
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Plus - here's a list of the threads here (use the search function top right of page) if you want more details.

http://www.avsforum.com/newsearch/?search=arx+ascend&output=all&containingforum%5B0%5D=89&type=all&advanced=1
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This is exactly what I'm trying to decide. I've been trying to get some advice on how close the rear of the CMT-340 or A2rx speakers can be from the rear wall. I have a media console, where I want to place the speakers, with the front edge 20.5" from rear wall. That would put the rear of the 340's about 10" away. If that is not good, then I would probably go with the A3rx or stands for the 340's. Another question I had is the A3rx just a A2rx made into a tower?
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This is exactly what I'm trying to decide. I've been trying to get some advice on how close the rear of the CMT-340 or A2rx speakers can be from the rear wall. I have a media console, where I want to place the speakers, with the front edge 20.5" from rear wall. That would put the rear of the 340's about 10" away. If that is not good, then I would probably go with the A3rx or stands for the 340's. Another question I had is the A3rx just a A2rx made into a tower?

A2rx made into a A3rx - yup, they use all the same drivers.

Whether 10" is far away enough would be for you to decide. It's a pretty good distance for a rear ported speaker. (I pull mine further out when I crank them up to reduce a bit of bass boominess. But most of the time, they're fine closer to the wall for me.) The A3rx comes with port plugs - but you have to ask them for them when you order.
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A2rx made into a A3rx - yup, they use all the same drivers.

Whether 10" is far away enough would be for you to decide. It's a pretty good distance for a rear ported speaker. (I pull mine further out when I crank them up to reduce a bit of bass boominess. But most of the time, they're fine closer to the wall for me.) The A3rx comes with port plugs - but you have to ask them for them when you order.

If I got the A3rx, being towers, I could have them 24" from the wall. But I think I'd like the bookshelf speakers sitting on the cabinet. But that seems to be frowned upon around here.
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If I got the A3rx, being towers, I could have them 24" from the wall. But I think I'd like the bookshelf speakers sitting on the cabinet. But that seems to be frowned upon around here.

On top of a cabinet or in the cubby hole of a cabinet. The second one isn't best for sound but it you pull it out an inch of the front, that should reduce the side reflections.

If you're looking for the best sound, the towers will be a better option.
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On top of a cabinet or in the cubby hole of a cabinet. The second one isn't best for sound but it you pull it out an inch of the front, that should reduce the side reflections.

If you're looking for the best sound, the towers will be a better option.

I have no cubby, just a straight solid wall. The cabinet is 8 feet long and the speakers would sit, 8 feet apart, in front of the TV by about 8" to 10", or more if I mount the TV on the wall. Also, not sure why the towers, in this case the A3rx's, would give better sound? Aren't they the same speaker as the A2rx, just on a permanent stand?
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For a 3.0 system, this is a no-brainer, go for the Arx towers. They are full range speakers, the CMT-340s are not. They will sound a lot more authoritative.I would try to step up to the A5 towers too. If subs were involved, no doubt it would be a much more difficult decision.
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For a 3.0 system, this is a no-brainer, go for the Arx towers. They are full range speakers, the CMT-340s are not. They will sound a lot more authoritative.I would try to step up to the A5 towers too. If subs were involved, no doubt it would be a much more difficult decision.

In my case, not sure about the OP and don't want to hijack his thread, but I am planning on getting a sub down the road in about 9 months. Trying to understand this, why are the Arx A3rx towers full range speakers and the 340's not? It seems the A3rx are the same as the A2rx.
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Nevermind what I said. Looking at them closer, it seems the CMT could actually be tuned lower than the Arx A3s. The Arx look to have a relatively high tuning point for tower speakers, in other words they don't look like they have as much bass as you would expect. I would have expected a speaker of that size to at least reach 40 Hz. I would skip them both and look for a tower speaker that has better bass extension. Klipsch speakers tend to have punchy bass and relatively deep tuning for towers. You might look at some RF-600s or RF-82s. Polk Rti A8s and A9s have pretty good bass for towers, and the prices can be talked down on those.
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Trying to understand this, why are the Arx A3rx towers full range speakers and the 340's not? It seems the A3rx are the same as the A2rx.

Bookshelf speakers like the CMT340s do not normally try for frequencies under 50 Hz, and most don't even go that low with authority. They are usually intended to be used with a subwoofer. Tower speakers normally try to dig lower, to nearly cover most of the bass spectrum, by using the larger size of their enclosure for a lower tuning point more. Looking at the +/- 3 dB and -6 dB point on the Arx A3s, they don't look like they have a whole lot of bass extension, in fact it is the same as the Arx A2 speakers, which is strange.
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For some info, and looks to be a nice option - check the MB Quart Alexxa towers on
close-out pricing, 370 each with shipping ($295 + $75), and they are front ported.
http://shop.mbquart.com/p/as-s1cpb-single?pp=24

If you prefer to buy from Amazon, they are $977.19 each.
http://www.amazon.com/Alexxa-Floorstanding-Speaker-Discontinued-Manufacturer/dp/B000R6YUJE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1395513185&sr=8-2&keywords=mb+quart+alexxa

Alexxa bookshelf (front ported), is $470 pair with shipping ($395 + $75).
http://shop.mbquart.com/p/as-b1pb-pair?pp=24

Also, priced higher at Amazon.

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For some info, and looks to be a nice option - check the MB Quart Alexxa towers on
close-out pricing, 370 each with shipping ($295 + $75), and they are front ported.
http://shop.mbquart.com/p/as-s1cpb-single?pp=24

If you prefer to buy from Amazon, they are $977.19 each.
http://www.amazon.com/Alexxa-Floorstanding-Speaker-Discontinued-Manufacturer/dp/B000R6YUJE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1395513185&sr=8-2&keywords=mb+quart+alexxa

Alexxa bookshelf (front ported), is $470 pair with shipping ($395 + $75).
http://shop.mbquart.com/p/as-b1pb-pair?pp=24

Also, priced higher at Amazon.
Are there reviews for the towers?
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Are there reviews for the towers?

No so-called USA pro reviews - however, people tend to place/rate them with the higher level
type sound signatures.
http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/speakers/messages/28/286262.html

This is a nice one on the Alexxa bookshelf speakers.
http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/speakers/messages/28/286262.html

I own the higher-end MB Quart Vera VSO5B bookshelf speakers > and they are some serious
good sounding speakers - clean, refined and transparent, with real good detail, definition and
depth, for both music and home theater with good on-axis and off-axis response >> and they
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No so-called USA pro reviews - however, people tend to place/rate them with the higher level
type sound signatures.
http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/speakers/messages/28/286262.html

This is a nice one on the Alexxa bookshelf speakers.
http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/speakers/messages/28/286262.html

Based on that review makes me want to order them, I might just have to.

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Based on that review makes me want to order them, I might just have to.

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For some info, and looks to be a nice option - check the MB Quart Alexxa towers on
close-out pricing, 370 each with shipping ($295 + $75), and they are front ported.
http://shop.mbquart.com/p/as-s1cpb-single?pp=24

If you prefer to buy from Amazon, they are $977.19 each.
http://www.amazon.com/Alexxa-Floorstanding-Speaker-Discontinued-Manufacturer/dp/B000R6YUJE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1395513185&sr=8-2&keywords=mb+quart+alexxa

Alexxa bookshelf (front ported), is $470 pair with shipping ($395 + $75).
http://shop.mbquart.com/p/as-b1pb-pair?pp=24

Also, priced higher at Amazon.

Why doesn't the Alexxa line have a center channel? What would you use for a center?
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You are starting to come around!

I got to audition MA Silver S 2's & Paradigm Studio 20's today and I prefered the MA's much more as they were more pleasant to my ears. I think they were more accurate, paradigms were brighter and more expensive and not worth the price difference imo.

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Why doesn't the Alexxa line have a center channel? What would you use for a center?

They use to they must have sold out of them, it's called the Alexxa C-One
http://www.manualslib.com/manual/293127/Mb-Quart-Alexxa-C-One.html

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Why doesn't the Alexxa line have a center channel? What would you use for a center?

The Alexxa is on close-out, the line has been discontinued.
Another pair of the Alexxa bookshelf, is cheaper than a horizontal center.
If one has room for vertical placement, then that is the way to go - and
you would have an extra speaker, as a back-up (a good deal).

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I got to audition MA Silver S 2's & Paradigm Studio 20's today and I prefered the MA's much more as they were more pleasant to my ears. I think they were more accurate, paradigms were brighter and more expensive and not worth the price difference imo.

The Monitor Audio Silver line is nice.

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The Monitor Audio Silver line is nice.

They were the new Silver Series, and yes they were nice.

I'm sure you favor your Vera's over the MA Silvers, but do you think the Alexxa's would be better than them to?

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They were the new Silver Series, and yes they were nice.

I'm sure you favor your Vera's over the MA Silvers, but do you think the Alexxa's would be better than them to?
The Vera for sure, is my preference.

I would not be surprised if the Alexxa was a little better than the Silver 2 - only one way for you to find out.

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The Vera for sure, is my preference. Not surprised at that.

I would not be surprised if the Alexxa was a little better than the Silver 2 - only one way for you to find out.

I would hope they would be a lot better that is why I have not pulled the trigger on them, and still toss back and forth with going with the Sierra 2's.

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I would hope they would be a lot better that is why I have not pulled the trigger on them, and still toss back and forth with going with the Sierra 2's.

The Sierra 2 looks to be a real nice speaker.

For one on a tight budget, the Alexxa looks to be a solid deal. Based on my experience
with the Vera - the Alexxa looks to be solid for a mid-level series >> that use to list for
$1000/1100 a pair, around 2007.

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The Sierra 2 looks to be a real nice speaker.

For one on a tight budget, the Alexxa looks to be a solid deal. Based on my experience
with the Vera - the Alexxa looks to be solid for a mid-level series >> that use to list for
$1000/1100 a pair, around 2007.

They actually have them listed at the former price of $1299, but do they perform in that price range among others in the $1200-$1300 range?

Do the Vera's perform as good as other speakers in their former list price of $3600?

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They actually have them listed at the former price of $1299, but do they perform in that price range among others in the $1200-$1300 range?

Do the Vera's perform as good as other speakers in their former list price of $3600?

Maxxsonics is a little too optimistic, with their former lists prices.

The Vera VS05B was $2,500 (pair), when they first came out - and they for sure, sound like
real high-end speakers - plus other comments have backed that up. >> For those who were
sleeping when the Vera close-out specials came out, they lost out on a gem.

The Alexxa looks like it would be strong, and hold up with the $900 to 1200 list priced speakers
of today. For someone on a tight budget, they should be on their short list. If one would prefer
another set of speakers in the future, then you can move the Alexxa to surrounds.

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For those who were sleeping when the Vera close-out specials came out, they lost out on a gem.

I wished I would have purchased them when I had the opportunity, I have waiters regret!

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I wished I would have purchased them when I had the opportunity, I have waiters regret!

After zeiglj got 'em and raved about them, you had less than a day and a half to decide on $500+ pr. of speakers. They sold out fast.
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