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Need some advice even after reading all 100+ posts. I have narrowed it down to a few options as these are in my price range and can use some advice for which step to take when trying to build a better 5.1 system in the future. Right now the price range is around $1000 (can go a little over if needed) for the speakers. I recently got a Denon X2100 for Christmas and will be using that. Here are the options I came up with and any advice would be greatly appreciated.

1. 2 B&W either 686 S2 or 685 S2 plus HTM62
2. 686 or 685 plus sub
3. 2 B&W 684

Eventually it'll be built out to a complete 5.1 but for now just need something for movies/sports.
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Need some advice even after reading all 100+ posts. I have narrowed it down to a few options as these are in my price range and can use some advice for which step to take when trying to build a better 5.1 system in the future. Right now the price range is around $1000 (can go a little over if needed) for the speakers. I recently got a Denon X2100 for Christmas and will be using that. Here are the options I came up with and any advice would be greatly appreciated.

1. 2 B&W either 686 S2 or 685 S2 plus HTM62
2. 686 or 685 plus sub
3. 2 B&W 684

Eventually it'll be built out to a complete 5.1 but for now just need something for movies/sports.
Welcome to AVS start with 685S2's with HTM62S2 then get two M-1's later and sub.
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Message me i might be able to set u up with a pair of 683s2 for a great desl
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Message me i might be able to set u up with a pair of 683s2 for a great desl
i wish i saw this earlier. just picked up a pair of 684's and an HTM62
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685 s2 - Poor Bass

Hi Folks,


Posted this on the B&W thread, then saw this thread dedicated to the new 600 series. Hope someone can help-out. Have about 15 hours on a pair of 685 S2 being driven by a Marantz nr1403 50watt receiver. I realize the Marantz may be a bit underpowered and I am planning on upgrading. But I primarily listen at low to moderate levels and only 2.1 so I feel I should get pretty good performance. The speakers are 10 inches from the wall and so far the bass is anemic. I've been setting the cross-over to the sub at 80 or 100 to get decent bass. Decided to run Audyssey, ran it 3 times and it choose to crossover at 120/150/120. When I auditioned them in-store compared to Martin Logan Motion 15 without sub, they definitely did not go as deep as the Motions but I don't recall them being this thin. Anyone have any thoughts on why I'm nowhere near how low they are rated for? Will another 85 hours of break-in really make that much of a difference? Any 685 S2 owners care to comment on your bass performance and amp/receiver you are using.


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Hi Folks,


Posted this on the B&W thread, then saw this thread dedicated to the new 600 series. Hope someone can help-out. Have about 15 hours on a pair of 685 S2 being driven by a Marantz nr1403 50watt receiver. I realize the Marantz may be a bit underpowered and I am planning on upgrading. But I primarily listen at low to moderate levels and only 2.1 so I feel I should get pretty good performance. The speakers are 10 inches from the wall and so far the bass is anemic. I've been setting the cross-over to the sub at 80 or 100 to get decent bass. Decided to run Audyssey, ran it 3 times and it choose to crossover at 120/150/120. When I auditioned them in-store compared to Martin Logan Motion 15 without sub, they definitely did not go as deep as the Motions but I don't recall them being this thin. Anyone have any thoughts on why I'm nowhere near how low they are rated for? Will another 85 hours of break-in really make that much of a difference? Any 685 S2 owners care to comment on your bass performance and amp/receiver you are using.

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Did you make sure the port plugs are removed?

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Did you make sure the port plugs are removed?

Yes, no port plugs.
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Hi Folks,


Posted this on the B&W thread, then saw this thread dedicated to the new 600 series. Hope someone can help-out. Have about 15 hours on a pair of 685 S2 being driven by a Marantz nr1403 50watt receiver. I realize the Marantz may be a bit underpowered and I am planning on upgrading. But I primarily listen at low to moderate levels and only 2.1 so I feel I should get pretty good performance. The speakers are 10 inches from the wall and so far the bass is anemic. I've been setting the cross-over to the sub at 80 or 100 to get decent bass. Decided to run Audyssey, ran it 3 times and it choose to crossover at 120/150/120. When I auditioned them in-store compared to Martin Logan Motion 15 without sub, they definitely did not go as deep as the Motions but I don't recall them being this thin. Anyone have any thoughts on why I'm nowhere near how low they are rated for? Will another 85 hours of break-in really make that much of a difference? Any 685 S2 owners care to comment on your bass performance and amp/receiver you are using.


Many Thanks
My experience with Audyssey in Marantz 7009 is that is subdues the Bass quite a bit. That's why I use Pure direct for Stereo music. I use audessey specifally to control the bass out put so as to not shake up the house. Try switching out Audessey and see if makes a difference. Not to say Audessey is not great but I don;t know how to configure it to let the Bass role.
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B&W 600 series S2 speakers

Hi,

I need some suggestion as well on the set up which I have purchased recently , I am a newbie to the Home theater world and went to the Best Buy store and demoed some of the Bowers and Wilkins speakers and bought them home the below set up, This is my first time purchase in the hi fi system.
1)Two Floor Standers 683 S2
2) Center HTM 61 S2
3) pair of 685 S2
4) pair of 686 S2
5) SVS-PB-2000 subwoofer

My Set up is 7.1 and was thinking if the CM Series center which is CM Center 2 S2 would be more performance improvement compared to HTM61 S2, But when I check the technical specifications in the B&W Website I see the sepcs are almost same just the CM Center is better built,
Also one other issue is the Best Buy also demoed the Pioneer Andrew jones Atmos speakers and they said that it is the future proof.
Please let me know your suggestions..

I currently also have Yamaha HTR 7065 receiver which is 2 year old, Do you guys think I need to upgrade something like Marantz SR 7009 , Since the best buy guy was marketing and convincing me that Marantz are the best match for the B&W's,

All your inputs are really valuable, and it helps me make better judgement , Depending on the suggestions i might return and purchase the speakers which best suits for 70% movies and 30% music.
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Hi,

I need some suggestion as well on the set up which I have purchased recently , I am a newbie to the Home theater world and went to the Best Buy store and demoed some of the Bowers and Wilkins speakers and bought them home the below set up, This is my first time purchase in the hi fi system.
1)Two Floor Standers 683 S2
2) Center HTM 61 S2
3) pair of 685 S2
4) pair of 686 S2
5) SVS-PB-2000 subwoofer

My Set up is 7.1 and was thinking if the CM Series center which is CM Center 2 S2 would be more performance improvement compared to HTM61 S2, But when I check the technical specifications in the B&W Website I see the sepcs are almost same just the CM Center is better built,
Also one other issue is the Best Buy also demoed the Pioneer Andrew jones Atmos speakers and they said that it is the future proof.
Please let me know your suggestions..

I currently also have Yamaha HTR 7065 receiver which is 2 year old, Do you guys think I need to upgrade something like Marantz SR 7009 , Since the best buy guy was marketing and convincing me that Marantz are the best match for the B&W's,

All your inputs are really valuable, and it helps me make better judgement , Depending on the suggestions i might return and purchase the speakers which best suits for 70% movies and 30% music.
Welcome to AVS sound like you know what you want, Marantz 7009 is great match with those speakers and how big is your HT room.
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Thanks for the reply Chise,

The HT is set up in my living room with 35x15x9 this includes kitchen, since this is a living room it is connected to other rooms like dining, study etc...
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Thanks for the reply Chise,

The HT is set up in my living room with 35x15x9 this includes kitchen, since this is a living room it is connected to other rooms like dining, study etc...
That's big room.
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Hi,

I need some suggestion as well on the set up which I have purchased recently , I am a newbie to the Home theater world and went to the Best Buy store and demoed some of the Bowers and Wilkins speakers and bought them home the below set up, This is my first time purchase in the hi fi system.
1)Two Floor Standers 683 S2
2) Center HTM 61 S2
3) pair of 685 S2
4) pair of 686 S2
5) SVS-PB-2000 subwoofer

My Set up is 7.1 and was thinking if the CM Series center which is CM Center 2 S2 would be more performance improvement compared to HTM61 S2, But when I check the technical specifications in the B&W Website I see the sepcs are almost same just the CM Center is better built,
Also one other issue is the Best Buy also demoed the Pioneer Andrew jones Atmos speakers and they said that it is the future proof.
Please let me know your suggestions..

I currently also have Yamaha HTR 7065 receiver which is 2 year old, Do you guys think I need to upgrade something like Marantz SR 7009 , Since the best buy guy was marketing and convincing me that Marantz are the best match for the B&W's,

All your inputs are really valuable, and it helps me make better judgement , Depending on the suggestions i might return and purchase the speakers which best suits for 70% movies and 30% music.

Great setup. To answer your question, yes the CMC S2 is a better center but it would make sense to stick with what you have. With that huge space I would add another subwoofer or two.

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i wish i saw this earlier. just picked up a pair of 684's and an HTM62
How do you find 684? Do you have sub?
What amp do you have?
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Great setup. To answer your question, yes the CMC S2 is a better center but it would make sense to stick with what you have. With that huge space I would add another subwoofer or two.

Thank you postrokfan, I guess I will stick with what I have right now... Thanks again for suggesting..As you said I might add another subwoofer down the lane...
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Thank you postrokfan, I guess I will stick with what I have right now... Thanks again for suggesting..As you said I might add another subwoofer down the lane...
No problem. Sounds like a good plan.

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Has anyone heard the JBL Studio 530s? I just got them and they are pretty great but I have this itch to maybe try the B&W 685 S2...Any idea if one would totally outdo the other?
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Has anyone heard the JBL Studio 530s? I just got them and they are pretty great but I have this itch to maybe try the B&W 685 S2...Any idea if one would totally outdo the other?
The 530s are fantastic speakers and very neutral/accurate. If you're really that curious I would suggest auditioning the 685s. In any case, you just purchased the 530s so why not live with them for a little while?

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The 530s are fantastic speakers and very neutral/accurate. If you're really that curious I would suggest auditioning the 685s. In any case, you just purchased the 530s so why not live with them for a little while?
Fair point The reason I'd want to try the 685s sooner than later is that I'd want to be able to exchange the 530s I got at Best Buy within the return period for the 685s, which they sell.

At this point I just want to get rid of that "what if" feeling. I sense that at this price point the 530s are going to be as good and likely similar enough to the 685s to not make it worth swapping but I can't help but wonder lol.
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If you're wondering "what if" they're better the answer is no. They're just different. The B&Ws are a bit warmer and therefore less neutral. Some listeners like that (FWIW, I do as I have owned several different models of B&W speakers). Ultimately, the decision is up to you and what you prefer.

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Has anyone paired CM series speakers with the htm61?
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Has anyone paired CM series speakers with the htm61?
The HTM61 S1 or the HTM61 S2?

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At BestBuy do it all the time.
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I've had the BW 686 for an year now and I'm happy with it.
Are the new BW 686 S2s have significant improvement over these?

I'm also looking to build the system in the futre by getting a center channel HTM61 and
later get BW683s and move these 686s to surround.

Is it okay to mix the earlier version of the 600 series with the 600 series S2 version?

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I've had the BW 686 for an year now and I'm happy with it.
Are the new BW 686 S2s have significant improvement over these?

I'm also looking to build the system in the futre by getting a center channel HTM61 and
later get BW683s and move these 686s to surround.

Is it okay to mix the earlier version of the 600 series with the 600 series S2 version?
From experience 685 work better with 683's and 686 work with 684's.
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Landed (I hope) on the 686 s2 for my little man cave (800 cubic ft)
Keep in mind – I wanted SMALL speakers for this space.

I started out with the PSB Image B4’s – These were nice and detailed but bright and fatiguing to me.

I tried the DT promonitor 1000 – Great bass, not as much detail and the midrange was not great. I wish I had the space for the SM45 – They sounded really good at the shop. They were just too big.

Upgraded to the Silverline minuet supreme plus – These are fantastic speakers and I with the space would accommodate them. They are the best sounding speakers I have tried. Really stupid good speakers. The issue is that they are rear ported and you need to give them some power to get them to produce their rather remarkable bass. I do a lot of late night listening and I need to listen at very low volume most of the time. I have tried a small sub in this room and it just doesn’t really work with any of these speakers. I think the room is just too small.

Next up (and last) is the 686 S2 – These are going to work out great in this room. They are warmer (or fuller?) than the Silverline and the midrange is probably not quite as awesome but I still get great detail and I can get some low end sound at a much lower volume. I don’t know if it’s the larger driver or the fact that they are ported in the front, but they give me better bass at low volume in this space– The bass on the Silverline is just as good but you have to open them up a bit to get it..
My wife thinks I have lost my mind –

Anyway – that’s my B&W 600 story – I really like the little 686 s2. They are larger (taller) than I wanted to go but they fit where I need to place them. They sound great to my untrained ears.
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