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Would you mind sharing some more details on how exactly you found the HTM62 deficient? Am very interested in your thoughts as I am thinking of buying this center for my two 685's.
I am sorry I missed your post and didnt reply.

The HTM-62 to me is a little "honky"

I listen to a lot of multi channel hi res music and the speaker is just not up to the material it gets fed especially with very discrete mixes.

In the home video realm, its just as not as accurate as I would want for dialog.

If I were you, I would try to get an HTM-61.

I am going for a CM centre because I've now got the CM 10's
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I bought a new 70" 4k TV for my living room and I want a setup a 3.1 now and add the rears later for movies/music. My dimensions are 15' x 21' x 10' and open to the kitchen and dining. I leaning towards the 685 s2 and the htm62 s2 for the stage, will these work for that space or should I go bigger (floorstanding)? Btw I went to BB and heard them and they sound great with music and movies playing along side a ML Dynamo 700w. Thanks
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I had an opportunity last week to audition the 683 S2s connected to a Denon AVR-X4000. The source was some $500 Denon Disc player -- don't have specifics on it.

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Thanks for your impressions! I liked how you shared relative to your other experiences, helps put things in perspective. Did the speakers have much time on them? Some say that it takes time to break in the low end. But I have read in some other places that these have a little less oomph in the low range. I would think a nice sub would be a good addition to this line.
I have to say I own a pair of the 684 towers and I don't know why people say they don't have bass. They have plenty of punch to me and sometimes when I'm listening to them I have to check if my sub is on. I think if you keep your expectations reasonable in terms of what kind of bass to expect from a tower with relatively small drivers it's hard not to be impressed. When playing them with my SVS SB-2000 they obviously sound better, but I would have no issues running these without a sub.
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I bought a new 70" 4k TV for my living room and I want a setup a 3.1 now and add the rears later for movies/music. My dimensions are 15' x 21' x 10' and open to the kitchen and dining. I leaning towards the 685 s2 and the htm62 s2 for the stage, will these work for that space or should I go bigger (floorstanding)? Btw I went to BB and heard them and they sound great with music and movies playing along side a ML Dynamo 700w. Thanks
That's a fairly large room. I guess it depends on the volume. I would be inclined to go with towers and the bigger HTM61 S2 in that space. Another option would be to add a second subwoofer and switch to the HTM61 center (especially if it's mainly HT).

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I have to say I own a pair of the 684 towers and I don't know why people say they don't have bass. They have plenty of punch to me and sometimes when I'm listening to them I have to check if my sub is on. I think if you keep your expectations reasonable in terms of what kind of bass to expect from a tower with relatively small drivers it's hard not to be impressed. When playing them with my SVS SB-2000 they obviously sound better, but I would have no issues running these without a sub.


I have 684 S1 as my mains and they definitely have bass. I think B&W manufactured the 684 S2s with smaller drivers if I'm not mistaken, but I auditioned them and was surprised to find they still had a lot of bass. I ran my 684 S1s without a sub for a long time and they were fine. Recently however, I purchased a Rythmik LV12R and have to say the entire system was greatly improved.

In regards to the HTM62 S2 conversation. I also auditioned these and agree with an earlier poster that they sounded honky. Worse than that I thought they also sounded muddied. Because of that, when I decided to upgrade my center from a Proficient GL6, I chose to go with the CM Center S2 which I've been using and works very well with my setup. Using 685 S1s for my surrounds and then my front heights and rear surrounds are in need of an upgrade. Was thinking on purchasing a pair or 2 of 686s. Anyone here happen to be selling those? S1 or S2

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I have 684 S1 as my mains and they definitely have bass. I think B&W manufactured the 684 S2s with smaller drivers if I'm not mistaken, but I auditioned them and was surprised to find they still had a lot of bass. I ran my 684 S1s without a sub for a long time and they were fine. Recently however, I purchased a Rythmik LV12R and have to say the entire system was greatly improved.

In regards to the HTM62 S2 conversation. I also auditioned these and agree with an earlier poster that they sounded honky. Worse than that I thought they also sounded muddied. Because of that, when I decided to upgrade my center from a Proficient GL6, I chose to go with the CM Center S2 which I've been using and works very well with my setup. Using 685 S1s for my surrounds and then my front heights and rear surrounds are in need of an upgrade. Was thinking on purchasing a pair or 2 of 686s. Anyone here happen to be selling those? S1 or S2
Interesting...what kind of amp do you have? I haven't really had an issues with clarity from my center. If anything I think the HTM62 could use a little more bass, it tends to sound flat to me. I am coming from a cheap Pioneer center so maybe it's my ears that aren't used to a better center channel.
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I bought a new 70" 4k TV for my living room and I want a setup a 3.1 now and add the rears later for movies/music. My dimensions are 15' x 21' x 10' and open to the kitchen and dining. I leaning towards the 685 s2 and the htm62 s2 for the stage, will these work for that space or should I go bigger (floorstanding)? Btw I went to BB and heard them and they sound great with music and movies playing along side a ML Dynamo 700w. Thanks
For a room that size (3150 cu ft) and open on a side, I think you'd really benefit from floorstanding. Well, the 683 S2 anyway. The 684 S2 are nice but not much more punch than 685 S2, just on "build in stands". I think the 685 S2 sound very slightly better than 684 S2 (a bit punchier, slightly more robust mids), but others might think differently and you should definitely audition yourself. My home theater of ~3000 cu ft (and the room is sealed) is not overwhelmed by the 683 S2 and HTM61 S2 at all. But it can be if I want!

I listen about 15 dB below reference and the speakers are great. Somehow the sound stage just hangs over my screen about 6" above the top of the 683s. Combined with a sub, this is great for movies. I got two SVS SB2000 because I like the tight bass and music, and it brings plenty of bass for movies for me (more than my local megaplex did when I watched Star Trek Beyond there) but for a space that big that's open, if you like to be shaken you might want PB2000 - depends on your tastes.

It also depends on how much room you want to take up. The larger speakers are great but they are ... larger. I think the 685 and HTM62 could hold their own. But I think for movies, even with 685, you'd want the HTM61 since it does so much of the work during movies.

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Interesting...what kind of amp do you have? I haven't really had an issues with clarity from my center. If anything I think the HTM62 could use a little more bass, it tends to sound flat to me. I am coming from a cheap Pioneer center so maybe it's my ears that aren't used to a better center channel.


I actually just use a Pioneer Elite VSX-44 but I should clarify. I didn't audition the HTM62 S2 at home, it was in store. I realize those store demo rooms are not normally calibrated for the speakers within them so it more than definitely could have been just that. I also flipped between it and the CM Center S2 during the same few scenes and the CM Center S2 was more crisp and I would say had less bass, if anything. That's more to my preference though, which always plays a huge part. So I wouldn't say the HTM62 S2 sounds bad, necessarily. I just liked the CM Center S2 more based on my own preferences.

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I actually just use a Pioneer Elite VSX-44 but I should clarify. I didn't audition the HTM62 S2 at home, it was in store. I realize those store demo rooms are not normally calibrated for the speakers within them so it more than definitely could have been just that. I also flipped between it and the CM Center S2 during the same few scenes and the CM Center S2 was more crisp and I would say had less bass, if anything. That's more to my preference though, which always plays a huge part. So I wouldn't say the HTM62 S2 sounds bad, necessarily. I just liked the CM Center S2 more based on my own preferences.
Oh gotcha...yeah I went to Magnolia to audition my speakers before I got them and I compared them to the CM series towers and for some reason those sounded really bad...like zero bass and just all treble. I highly doubt they actually sound like that, but I'm glad they didn't have them set up properly because I might have been swayed to spend way too much haha. They also somehow managed to make a REL and an SVS sub sound bad. I don't know how they have those things connected, but it's definitely not right.
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Oh gotcha...yeah I went to Magnolia to audition my speakers before I got them and I compared them to the CM series towers and for some reason those sounded really bad...like zero bass and just all treble. I highly doubt they actually sound like that, but I'm glad they didn't have them set up properly because I might have been swayed to spend way too much haha. They also somehow managed to make a REL and an SVS sub sound bad. I don't know how they have those things connected, but it's definitely not right.


I agree the CM series did sound like lots of treble and little bass to me also. Maybe that's the sound difference between them and the 600 series. I think the CM Center treble timbre matches well with the 600 series front and surrounds for me though!
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I've got a pair of 683 S1s for my fronts, and I've been researching an upgrade for my center channel (old Boston Acoustics micro). Just today had the "ah-ha" moment that I don't have to limit myself to actual center speakers -- I have room for a bookshelf speaker (or even a tower - though I don't think my wife would go for that). That said, what do you think would work best with my 683s for creating my front sound stage?
- 685 S2 (or would the 685 S1 be a better match for my 683 S1s?)
- 686 S2 / 686 S1
- CM5 S2

Of course, if anyone thinks it's a bad idea to use a bookshelf speaker instead of a center speaker for my center channel, please share.
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I've got a pair of 683 S1s for my fronts, and I've been researching an upgrade for my center channel (old Boston Acoustics micro). Just today had the "ah-ha" moment that I don't have to limit myself to actual center speakers -- I have room for a bookshelf speaker (or even a tower - though I don't think my wife would go for that). That said, what do you think would work best with my 683s for creating my front sound stage?
- 685 S2 (or would the 685 S1 be a better match for my 683 S1s?)
- 686 S2 / 686 S1
- CM5 S2

Of course, if anyone thinks it's a bad idea to use a bookshelf speaker instead of a center speaker for my center channel, please share.
I think using a bookshelf is just fine! I'm speculating here but I believe the tweeter did change some from S1 to S2, so sticking with S1 might be good. Unless you are a real discriminating listener though you probably won't notice in an S1 vs S2 challenge.

A regular center channel isn't bad either in my opinion, if it's a good one. In that case I'd go with a 600 series S2 center - the S1s didn't get the greatest reviews in some circles, but the S2 series have tweeters above the mids which helps with the comb filter issues of horizontal speakers (from what I've read). I like the HTM61 S2 center I have because it has as many drivers as my 683 S2, so it can hold its own with them, particularly in dialog with movies which use the center a significant amount of the time. I think a 685 S2 would also do very well as my center.

So while I think the HTM61 S2 would be great with your speakers, if you really want a bookshelf as a center due to aesthetic reasons or something else - I'd pick 685 S1 or S2, or the CM5 S2 (if money not as important but sound is...) out of those you have listed. If budget conscious, the 685 S1 if you found one used would be a very good choice I think and timbre match well. Even if not budget conscious that would likely work very well.

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I think using a bookshelf is just fine! I'm speculating here but I believe the tweeter did change some from S1 to S2, so sticking with S1 might be good. Unless you are a real discriminating listener though you probably won't notice in an S1 vs S2 challenge.

A regular center channel isn't bad either in my opinion, if it's a good one. In that case I'd go with a 600 series S2 center - the S1s didn't get the greatest reviews in some circles, but the S2 series have tweeters above the mids which helps with the comb filter issues of horizontal speakers (from what I've read). I like the HTM61 S2 center I have because it has as many drivers as my 683 S2, so it can hold its own with them, particularly in dialog with movies which use the center a significant amount of the time. I think a 685 S2 would also do very well as my center.

So while I think the HTM61 S2 would be great with your speakers, if you really want a bookshelf as a center due to aesthetic reasons or something else - I'd pick 685 S1 or S2, or the CM5 S2 (if money not as important but sound is...) out of those you have listed. If budget conscious, the 685 S1 if you found one used would be a very good choice I think and timbre match well. Even if not budget conscious that would likely work very well.

I hope that helps some. Others have any thoughts?
Best case scenario is to have matching L/C/R, but many, myself included, don't do this for one reason or another. I think a 685 S1 would be fine for a center in your case. I have 684 S1s for my fronts and use a CM Center S2 for my center and I think they work amazingly together. If you have the budget, this isn't a bad choice either. The CM Center S2 has lots of good mids and highs, which I think is most important in a center where the dialogue lives 95% or more of the time.

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I believe the tweeter did change some from S1 to S2, so sticking with S1 might be good.
Yeah, that's my thinking too. Thanks for all of your feedback!
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That's the thinking I circled back around to. The reason I started to consider a bookshelf is because I thought it might have better quality than the center channel. But there's probably something to be said for having a 3-way versus a 2-way speaker for the center. Therefore, I settled on the HTM61. Will let report back my impressions once it arrives and I have it set up. Thanks for your feedback.
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That's the thinking I circled back around to. The reason I started to consider a bookshelf is because I thought it might have better quality than the center channel. But there's probably something to be said for having a 3-way versus a 2-way speaker for the center. Therefore, I settled on the HTM61. Will let report back my impressions once it arrives and I have it set up. Thanks for your feedback.
Looking forward to hearing back! BTW, my 683 S2, HTM61 S2 have amazing panning. For music, I used DTS Neo Music in a blind test with my wife. I sat her in the sweet spot, then would switch between DTS Neo Music and Stereo. I think it's DTS Neo. Anyway the surround upmixer, this is on the Marantz SR7009, whatever DTS upmixer it uses. Anyway, she couldn't tell when the center channel was on or not with a few different kinds of music. I had her guess if it was on, and she got it wrong around half the time (I had the surrounds unplugged)

This made me happy for two reasons - I like the upmixer a lot for the surround ambiance, but also when off the sweet spot, the instrument localization is still quite good with DTS upmixing on, where with Stereo the sweet spot starts to fall apart on the sides. So if I want to share a song with multiple people or something that's nice. It also showed that the center, left, and right seemed to mesh really well together.

Now, she's no audiophile, so there's that, but it was fancy to me.

Now what was my whole point? Oh yes, that my HTM61 blends really well with my 683s. And movie panning is really smooth too.



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If it has changed in your opinion how?

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BW 686 vs 685 S2 series -

Hello All, looking for input as to the main differences between these two. Coming from L/R/R M1's, a AWS610, HTM62S2 and a Marantz 1506AVR but want a larger soundstage and bigger sound. Space is a bit of a problem, 12.5 inches high is really max but it keeps coming up get the 685... why not 686's? (looked at CM1's but they were very trebly to me and the rear port was a problem).

I have another thread around mixing in Q100's as a possibility, but wanted to ask the "why not" question (besides price)
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BW 686 vs 685 S2 series -

Hello All, looking for input as to the main differences between these two. Coming from L/R/R M1's, a AWS610, HTM62S2 and a Marantz 1506AVR but want a larger soundstage and bigger sound. Space is a bit of a problem, 12.5 inches high is really max but it keeps coming up get the 685... why not 686's? (looked at CM1's but they were very trebly to me and the rear port was a problem).

I have another thread around mixing in Q100's as a possibility, but wanted to ask the "why not" question (besides price)
The 686 will have more output than the M1 for certain.

The 686 is a lower sensitivity speaker than 685, and won't get as deep due to the smaller drivers. While 685 digs deeper, it's only by 10 Hz. With a subwoofer either will dig deep enough to blend well.

The 686 being lower sensitivity, won't be able to get as loud. So that may be an issue in your space.

The bottom line in my opinion is that if you can't fit the 685, try the 686 and they'll be fine.

Surprised the CM1s were "trebly" to you... there may have been something going on in your evaluation of them. If they were trebly, I would expect the 686 to be also in the same configuration, with the CM1s being a nicer speaker.

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Thanks , my thought was the CM1's rear port did not help it in my confined space.
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Oh that makes sense. Restrict air movement = make lower frequencies less pronounced = too trebly

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