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Hi every one I just bought my 1st home and thought I need a upgrade for my surround sound :0)
So I've always been a Bose person Right out of the box plug and play
But it wasn't till I went over to a friends house and saw his set up,
Deftec bipolar floor standing
And Polk audio center channel
And energy sub
I couldn't believe the sound coming out it was awesome!
So I went out and bought my own :0)
Energy cf 50 floor standing
Energy center
And martin logan dynamo 500
And pioneer vsx 43
So far so good I'm a total newbie to all this
It makes my Bose sound like a boom box
Any way I've been reading a lot and trying to set up my speakers to sound just right :0)
My biggest issue was trying to understand biamp
Got that out of the way
Now I'm working on setting up the db level on them I used the setup it came with (mic) and it made the center very hard to hear
So I bump that up to 4db and my floor speakers to 3 db and sub to 3 db
So my question is am I doing this right? Will blow my speakers ?
I never had to do any of this with Bose haha any help would be very much appreciated
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Congratulations and welcome to the forums. Hard to say what your new settings mean compared to your old ones but judicious use of the volume knob should keep everything nice and safe.

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I too am not sure why you had to tinker with individual speaker db levels. Well unless you great distance deviation in speaker placements.

The volume knob is there for a reason. Your ears are the best gauge. smile.gif

Unless you have two amps and an external crossover, you will effectively bi-amp your speakers. Even so, you need to do some speaker surgery to deactivate its internal X-over. Or are you referring to bi-wire. Just get thick cables.

Don't need to over think this.
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I missed the bi-amp mention. Save yourself some time and wire, don't bother.

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1. maybe run the room correction software again. Sometimes, it just doesn't get it right the first time. My denon1613, on trial one, told me my sub was out of phase and shut it off. Hasn't done it in subsequent tests!
2. Keep in mind that some movies just have aren't mixed the same and for some movies, I have to bump up the center channel a bit.
3. As mentioned, bi-amping isn't accomplishing anything with those speakers.

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thanks you guys! I'm ran the cd and was able to adjust the db to have the center a bit higher then the floor standing it sounds good. as far as biamp every one told me thats the way to go i didn't notice a big deference  or any at all but my ears are still programed with bose in mind :0( so any settings or wiring sounds good to me haha.

ill be spending a lot of time on this forum i really enjoying reading every thing and i get good ideas and lot of my questions are answered on the site ye! :)

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You speakers have internal crossover, so biamp'ing will sound the same as not biamp'ing!

Set up #1: EMP e5ti, e5Ci, and SLS Q line Audio surrounds, EMP 10i10i sub
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I wish I found this site befor I biamp my speakers and took my 1st amp I bought back and bought this one for 200 more😭
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Live and learn, like all of us! Whoever told you that biamp'ing those speakers would help wasn't giving honest advice or was trying to sell you something you didn't need!

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Live and learn, like all of us! Whoever told you that biamp'ing those speakers would help wasn't giving honest advice or was trying to sell you something you didn't need!

Probably recommended it meaning well, because he had "heard", or even had read this was good....just look at how many speakers come with the extra terminals and how avr manuals even sometimes encourage it (why not, might mean you buy more stuff). Funny how the marketplace with a little bit of fact can do in the audio industry (in that there can be a real value to active bi-amping but it takes some serious commitment to knowledge and gear to do that well).

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So I've always been a Bose person Right out of the box plug and play
But it wasn't till I went over to a friends house and saw his set up,
Deftec bipolar floor standing
And Polk audio center channel

And energy sub


Not quite sure why your friend has a Polk center with Def Tech floor standing speakers? He should look into getting a Def Tech center to match his main speakers.

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Haha yea I loving my system so far Ive been reading a lot about biamp and already saving some cash for my next pair of speakers:0)
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Not quite sure why your friend has a Polk center with Def Tech floor standing speakers? He should look into getting a Def Tech center to match his main speakers.

Hey. wink.gif I ran a cheap JBL center channel I bought with my L7 speakers ( STILL serving as side surrounds ) with my DefTech BP7000sc mains... at least until I ponied up the grand for the C/L/R 3000.

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Hey every one sorry for the stupid question but are my settings right for my speakers?
I was watching a move last night and when people would scream or yell my center would make a cracking sound I did a little research on line and I adjusted all my settings down
Are they ok?


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Hard to say if they're "right" but they should at least work. All level indicates is what the avr is going to use as a reference at your listening position, in combination with the relationship among your various speakers' sensitivity (or in the case of the sub where you have the gain set at). What was the center set at before you reduced levels? What about the other speakers, did you change them too, and if you did, what were the other speakers set at before you changed? Did you use MCACC in the first place to set levels?

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