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Hi everyone, I'm looking for a new home theater system for my room, but i dont know which one is better then my old system. Im using energy take classic, polk psw505 sub with pioneer vsx921 receiver now. I have a guy who is selling a pair of polk RTI8 and RTI4 for 600 brand new. If I buy these, i will need to buy a polk center speaker. So do you guy think Polk RTI8, RTI4, and polk CSi3 will be a good setup which is better than energy classic system. And do i need to upgrade the receiver ? Any thoughts would be appreciated it.
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Hi everyone, I'm looking for a new home theater system for my room, but i dont know which one is better then my old system. Im using energy take classic, polk psw505 sub with pioneer vsx921 receiver now. I have a guy who is selling a pair of polk RTI8 and RTI4 for 600 brand new. If I buy these, i will need to buy a polk center speaker. So do you guy think Polk RTI8, RTI4, and polk CSi3 will be a good setup which is better than energy classic system. And do i need to upgrade the receiver ? Any thoughts would be appreciated it.
That guy is over charging you!!!!

Polk Offical Ebay Store sells new pairs of Polk RTi8's for $399.99 shipped and Polk RTi4's for 174.99 shipped. I would rather buy from Polk's official ebay store if I were you.

CSi3 is 143.99 shipped

CSi5 is 274.99 shipped

Yes the Polk RTi line is an upgrade over your Energy Take Classics by a decent bit! You don't need to upgrade your receiver either.
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That guy is over charging you!!!!

Polk Offical Ebay Store sells new pairs of Polk RTi8's for $399.99 shipped and Polk RTi4's for 174.99 shipped. I would rather buy from Polk's official ebay store if I were you.

CSi3 is 143.99 shipped

CSi5 is 274.99 shipped

Yes the Polk RTi line is an upgrade over your Energy Take Classics by a decent bit! You don't need to upgrade your receiver either.

+1 Get them from an authorized dealer with a warranty. Also I would suggest going with the bigger CSi5, it is a better designed center and will keep up with the towers better.

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Thanks for your advices guys. I also have another option that is buying a used setup from a guy on CL. He is selling his setup which is Polk RTI6, RTI4, Csi3, Psw10 and denon 2308 receiver for $500. What do you think about this setup?
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Thanks for your advices guys. I also have another option that is buying a used setup from a guy on CL. He is selling his setup which is Polk RTI6, RTI4, Csi3, Psw10 and denon 2308 receiver for $500. What do you think about this setup?

No need to buy a different receiver, especially one that is older. That Polk sub is terrible, in fact don't buy a Polk sub at all, there are much better options out there and they do not need to match.

Edit: Didn't realize you already had a PSW505, as Rob said it is much better than the PSW10.

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Thanks for your advices guys. I also have another option that is buying a used setup from a guy on CL. He is selling his setup which is Polk RTI6, RTI4, Csi3, Psw10 and denon 2308 receiver for $500. What do you think about this setup?
Not worth it!!!! Your current receiver is fine for your new set-up

Just keep your Polk PSW505 for now. It will be a fine subwoofer for your new RTi system.

The PSW10 is a huge drop in performance compared to the PSW505
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So, like you said, i keep the polk psw505 and buy the RTI8, RTI4, CSI5 for the new set up. So it will cost me about $850 to upgrade the home theater system. Its not too bad for me, but when we compaire the price with these speakers, do you think these are worth it to upgrade from energy take classic?
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So, like you said, i keep the polk psw505 and buy the RTI8, RTI4, CSI5 for the new set up. So it will cost me about $850 to upgrade the home theater system. Its not too bad for me, but when we compaire the price with these speakers, do you think these are worth it to upgrade from energy take classic?

You can use a pair of your current Take Classics for surrounds if you want, or go with something like the OWM3. The RTi line is a night and day upgrade over the Take Classics, you are going from a satellite speaker to a full sized tower and center. Think of upgrading from a Corolla to a Mustang cool.gif

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So, like you said, i keep the polk psw505 and buy the RTI8, RTI4, CSI5 for the new set up. So it will cost me about $850 to upgrade the home theater system. Its not too bad for me, but when we compaire the price with these speakers, do you think these are worth it to upgrade from energy take classic?
I think its extremely worth it and a great upgrade given the money spent.

I went from a Small Satellite Speaker system (Polk RM6750 5.1) to Polk RTi4's with a CSi3 center and noticed a huge improvement in my audio performance.
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Lol that's cool. I'm gonna buy these speaker for sure. Then i will sell the energy classic to make some money for the new setup. Thank you so much guys. Your information is really helpful. I really appreciate ur helps
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Already bought polk RTi8 and RTi4. Im gonna pick Polk CSI A6 to get a perfect match today. The sound from these speakers are not as warm as I expect. They are a little bright gor me. I use pioneer vsx921 for this setup. Do you think i need to upgrade the receiver. If yes, what reveiver is best for them? My budget is around 600 for a new receiver. Fry's is selling denon 3313 for $649, some guys on CL sell new Denon e400 for 300 and harman kardon 1710 for 325? Which one is a best option for me? Let me know what you think? Thanks alot guys
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Already bought polk RTi8 and RTi4. Im gonna pick Polk CSI A6 to get a perfect match today. The sound from these speakers are not as warm as I expect. They are a little bright gor me. I use pioneer vsx921 for this setup. Do you think i need to upgrade the receiver. If yes, what reveiver is best for them? My budget is around 600 for a new receiver. Fry's is selling denon 3313 for $649, some guys on CL sell new Denon e400 for 300 and harman kardon 1710 for 325? Which one is a best option for me? Let me know what you think? Thanks alot guys

Changing your receiver isn't going to make them sound different. If you aren't happy with how they sound, then you need different speakers. It also could be room effects, if you have hardwood or tile floors, or a lot of hard surfaces in the room, that will make things sound a little more harsh. Try putting down an area rug, curtains, or even decorative sound panels to help with reflections.

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Already bought polk RTi8 and RTi4. Im gonna pick Polk CSI A6 to get a perfect match today. The sound from these speakers are not as warm as I expect. They are a little bright gor me. I use pioneer vsx921 for this setup. Do you think i need to upgrade the receiver. If yes, what reveiver is best for them? My budget is around 600 for a new receiver. Fry's is selling denon 3313 for $649, some guys on CL sell new Denon e400 for 300 and harman kardon 1710 for 325? Which one is a best option for me? Let me know what you think? Thanks alot guys
ignore the HK receiver. They hardly make any power

Id rather see you spend $600 on a better subwoofer like the Rythmik Lv12

That will give you a bigger upgrade over a receiver.

As for the sound of the rti's have you run MCACC? What are the crossovers set at and speaker settings?

Might wamt to think of lowering treble a notch or two
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I just hooked the polk csi a6 up last night. There is a huge difference when i watched the movie. Im really happy with a result. If i want to upgrade my receiver, which one do these work best for my system? Im asking this because i might give my pioneer to my brother for his system lol
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Already bought polk RTi8 and RTi4. Im gonna pick Polk CSI A6 to get a perfect match today. The sound from these speakers are not as warm as I expect. They are a little bright gor me. I use pioneer vsx921 for this setup. Do you think i need to upgrade the receiver. If yes, what reveiver is best for them? My budget is around 600 for a new receiver. Fry's is selling denon 3313 for $649, some guys on CL sell new Denon e400 for 300 and harman kardon 1710 for 325? Which one is a best option for me? Let me know what you think? Thanks a lot guys

If you really MUST buy a new receiver, then this brand new Denon E400 is a vastly better deal than the used one you are looking at.

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_033AVRE400/Denon-AVR-E400.html?showAll=N&search=e400&skipvs=T
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IMO that would certainly be a huge upgrade!
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Hi everyone, I'm looking for a new home theater system for my room, but i dont know which one is better then my old system. Im using energy take classic, polk psw505 sub with pioneer vsx921 receiver now. I have a guy who is selling a pair of polk RTI8 and RTI4 for 600 brand new. If I buy these, i will need to buy a polk center speaker. So do you guy think Polk RTI8, RTI4, and polk CSi3 will be a good setup which is better than energy classic system. And do i need to upgrade the receiver ? Any thoughts would be appreciated it.
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I just hooked the polk csi a6 up last night. There is a huge difference when i watched the movie. Im really happy with a result. If i want to upgrade my receiver, which one do these work best for my system? Im asking this because i might give my pioneer to my brother for his system lol
might give you slightly more power/volume and slightly change the sound, but $600 would be better spent on an internet direct subwoofer from SVS Sound like the PB12-NSD from SVS Outlet, or Rythmik LV12R Direct Servo subwoofer

What are the settings the receiver set the speakers at? What is the crossover set at?
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If you find the Pioneer receiver to be too bright, you are hearing the same thing I do from Pioneer, Yamaha and Onkyo and some others.

I personally recommend the NAD T748 to you as a receiver with superior sound quality.

People do not realize that most receivers have MUCH larger amounts of distortion when driving real speakers than the very small distortion you see with a test bench resistor for a load.

Better-designed receivers will have less distortion when driving real speakers because their power supply/amplifier design is more robust and can drive the capacitances and inductances of real speaker systems much better.

IMO NAD and Cambridge Audio are the companies that "do it right", while most other companies cut corners too much and end up with excessive distortion, which you and I and others perceive as "bright" or "harsh" sound quality.


P.S- NEVER look at published power ratings; they are meaningless, since there is NO correlation between them and real-world distortion performance. Almost every receiver on the market has plenty of POWER for almost any speaker system; power is not the issue. It is a red herring the manufacturers drag in front of you to obscure the real issue; distortion.


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Already bought polk RTi8 and RTi4. Im gonna pick Polk CSI A6 to get a perfect match today. The sound from these speakers are not as warm as I expect. They are a little bright gor me. I use pioneer vsx921 for this setup. Do you think i need to upgrade the receiver. If yes, what reveiver is best for them? My budget is around 600 for a new receiver. Fry's is selling denon 3313 for $649, some guys on CL sell new Denon e400 for 300 and harman kardon 1710 for 325? Which one is a best option for me? Let me know what you think? Thanks alot guys
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A receiver alone won't fix the brightness issue. rolleyes.gif If you think that is the end all for solution you are a bit not right in the head. Polks have a bit of brightness.

Besides Denon's will have about double the Power that the NAD reciver has. RTi's sound better with power IMHO

UPDATE/EDIT: As for NAD he recommend they said they have 7x 40watts manufactured so they are likely to actually have less in the real world.

Where the Denon AVR-E400 was actually tested and proven at by a third-party to have 5x70watts at 0.1% THD and 7x62.3watt at 0.1% THD superior to what NAD claims from their receiver.(3rd Party tested PROOF) And remember he(commsysman) said don't trust manufactures listing so its likely that NAD even has less
. Need any more facts instead of opinions?biggrin.gif

BTWs its likely that NAD rates their receiver at 1.0% THD (this is judging from the fact that tthe NAD T787 is rated 7x120 and tested that at 1.0% THD)which is more disortion than 0.1%... rolleyes.gif
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If you find the Pioneer receiver to be too bright, you are hearing the same thing I do from Pioneer, Yamaha and Onkyo and some others.

I personally recommend the NAD T748 to you as a receiver with superior sound quality.

People do not realize that most receivers have MUCH larger amounts of distortion when driving real speakers than the very small distortion you see with a test bench resistor for a load.

Better-designed receivers will have less distortion when driving real speakers because their power supply/amplifier design is more robust and can drive the capacitances and inductances of real speaker systems much better.

IMO NAD and Cambridge Audio are the companies that "do it right", while most other companies cut corners too much and end up with excessive distortion, which you and I and others perceive as "bright" or "harsh" sound quality.


P.S- NEVER look at published power ratings; they are meaningless, since there is NO correlation between them and real-world distortion performance. Almost every receiver on the market has plenty of POWER for almost any speaker system; power is not the issue. It is a red herring the manufacturers drag in front of you to obscure the real issue; distortion.


 

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A receiver alone won't fix the brightness issue. rolleyes.gif If you think that is the end all for solution you are a bit not right in the head. 

This post is correct ^


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The sound is so different when I listened in the first time. It's getting warm and clear now. And like crazybob said, i dont need to upgrade the receiver now. Subwoofer like http://www.rythmikaudio.com/LV12R.html is more necessary than the receiver. Is it correct? And if I still choose to upgrade receiver, what kind of receiver do you recommend for around $600?
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BTW I set SMALL on the speakers, and crossover is 100hz
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BTW I set SMALL on the speakers, and crossover is 100hz
change the crossover to at least 80hz. Maybe as low as 60hz if that sounds good to you.
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the crossover in my pioneer is 50,80,100, 150 and 200. I set it at 80hz right now like you said
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