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Firstly, the use of my system, I watch a lot of movies mainly via external hdd in mkv format, strictly 1080p and dts sound. In my spare time, I love to listen to music normally R&B/Hip Hop/Rap with a lot of beats/bass, I like to listen to it pretty loud and the Sony I mention below didn't do it for me.

 

I'm moving from the 'Sony BDV-E3100 1000W' All-In-One system, which is pretty crap I've had it for about a week and turned it up to full on the first day of use and it's pretty useless for me.

 

I firstly had my eyes set on the 'Yamaha YHT-199' system which is out of stock at the moment at my nearest retailer but it should be back soon, I can get that for £200 retail OR 1 month used one for £170.

 

My budget was £200 before, but now is £300 but I really do want something worth my money at that price, I know it's low.

 

I now have my eyes on a Yamaha RX-V375 for £150 and Tannoy SFX 5.1 Speakers for £150 so together £300. Now, is these two priced together at £300 better than the Yamaha YHT-199 priced at £200?

 

It's rather unfortunate I initally wanted the Yamaha RX-V473 AV which is the same price as the RX-V375 but it was missing the Microphone and Remote.

 

The RX-V375 and SFX 5.1 for £300 or YHT-199 for £200, which one is more worthy of my money?

 

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Below I've added some links for the equipment mentioned above, thanks.

 

YHT-199: http://uk.yamaha.com/en/products/audio-visual/hometheater-systems/home-theater-package/yht-199_w/?mode=model

 

Tannoy SFX 5.1: http://www.tannoy.com/ResidentialSummary.aspx?q=66.284

 

RX-V375: http://uk.yamaha.com/en/products/audio-visual/av-receivers-amps/rx-v375_g/?mode=model

 

RX-V473: http://uk.yamaha.com/en/products/audio-visual/av-receivers-amps/rx-v473_g/?mode=model

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I think the SFX 5.1 will be better than the Yamaha speakers. I heard the old versions of those speakers. I think they used to be called the FX 5.1. They are not bad for small speakers and that price point. I haven't heard the Yamahas but they use a single 2" full range speaker and those tend to not sound as good as something with a separate midrange and tweeter like the Tannoy. I would spend the extra for the Tannoy system.
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I've decided to go for a Yamaha RX-V475 AV and Tannoy SFX 5.1 Speakers, hopefully just under £300.

 

I have been hearing stuff about 'warm' and 'bright' AV's to match Speakers, do you think these two will sound good together?

 

It's going to be for Movies mainly, BluRay's with DTS sound, occasionally playing some music R&B, Rap, Hip Hop bit of beats/bass.

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The Yamaha has I think binding posts, the 3xx has spring clips that's enough to spend the extra. As for speakers, personally I'd put all your budget in L/R pair. Rather than whole 5.1 speakers.

You could look into second hand I bought a pair of Celestion A1's for £125. They were £900 new.

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The Yamaha has I think binding posts, the 3xx has spring clips that's enough to spend the extra. As for speakers, personally I'd put all your budget in L/R pair. Rather than whole 5.1 speakers.

You could look into second hand I bought a pair of Celestion A1's for £125. They were £900 new.

 

What do you mean? That's enough to spend the extra? It was either the RX-V375 or the V475. I thought Banana plugs were good.

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375 has spring clips, the 475 has binding posts.

Generally Yamaha binding posts...are a bit crap. I have a 671. Still I suppose can't expect decent ones on a cheap amp.

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375 has spring clips, the 475 has binding posts.

Generally Yamaha binding posts...are a bit crap. I have a 671. Still I suppose can't expect decent ones on a cheap amp.

 

Most of the mid-range and higher end amps all have binding posts don't they? I mean the 375 is an entry level amp and that has spring clips.

 

About the Speakers, I'm coming from some all in one Sony BDV-E3100 system which sounded crap, and I want 5.1 still intact, I'm sure the Tannoy's will be much better than that atleast.

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Not all binding posts are the same.

I'd recommend this, rather than a <£200 5.1 system

http://www.richersounds.com/product/standmount-speakers/q-acoustics/2020i-gr/qaco-2020i-gra

It'll sound better, then add matching center & rears when you can.

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It depends what you are looking for right now. Enthusiasts in general would rather have a better sounding stereo system and upgrade later while non-enthusiasts just want a surround system and have no plans to put more money into their system in the future. As a rule of thumb there are two big areas that are going to make the biggest difference in sound quality, the room and the speakers. Since most people do not do much to tame their room the bulk of their budget should be spent on the speakers.

If you do not plan on spending more money later and want surround sound then get the best speakers you can afford and go with the lesser receiver. At this price range there is not enough to justify the extra for the better receiver unless you want the networking features or the cost difference is minimal like $50. In your price range I don't know of too many other speaker systems that might be better without spending more. Also, it depends where you are located and the exchange rates. If you in the UK Tannoy is probably less expensive than brands that are imported. For instance the Tannoy TFX 5.1 retails for $550 here even with the exchange rate this is higher priced.
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It depends what you are looking for right now. Enthusiasts in general would rather have a better sounding stereo system and upgrade later while non-enthusiasts just want a surround system and have no plans to put more money into their system in the future. As a rule of thumb there are two big areas that are going to make the biggest difference in sound quality, the room and the speakers. Since most people do not do much to tame their room the bulk of their budget should be spent on the speakers.

If you do not plan on spending more money later and want surround sound then get the best speakers you can afford and go with the lesser receiver. At this price range there is not enough to justify the extra for the better receiver unless you want the networking features or the cost difference is minimal like $50. In your price range I don't know of too many other speaker systems that might be better without spending more. Also, it depends where you are located and the exchange rates. If you in the UK Tannoy is probably less expensive than brands that are imported. For instance the Tannoy TFX 5.1 retails for $550 here even with the exchange rate this is higher priced.

 

I phoned up Tannoy and I was told the difference between TFX and SFX is near to just cosmetics, so I got a deal on the Tannoy SFX 5.1's for £150. I can get an entry level AV Yamaha RX-V375 for just £120 but I've decided to go for the Yamaha RX-V475 for £150 just a little bit more.

 

I really like the Tannoy HTS101 but they are too expensive, are they much better than the SFX's I'm getting? lol!

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I don't think the HTS would be a big jump over the SFX. They both use 3" driver so it comes down to better quality parts. There is only so much you can do with a 3" driver, there is no overcoming physics.

It looks like you are looking for small unobtrusive speakers. Unfortunately, with speakers you get a fuller sound with larger speakers. I don't mean big towers but going from speakers that have a 3" midrange to ones with 4", 5" or 6" becomes a big jump for quality of midrange and bass above the subwoofer range. Aesthetically, Kef and Monitor Audio make some nice looking speakers that aren't too obtrusive and I believe they are both British companies so maybe their pricing is better there. The next one up the food chain would be the Monitor Audio Mass or Kef E305 but if pricing is similar I think it would be extending your budget even with the lesser receiver.

At the moment, I would go with the system you plan unless you want to do stereo and build on your system in the future.
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I don't think the HTS would be a big jump over the SFX. They both use 3" driver so it comes down to better quality parts. There is only so much you can do with a 3" driver, there is no overcoming physics.

It looks like you are looking for small unobtrusive speakers. Unfortunately, with speakers you get a fuller sound with larger speakers. I don't mean big towers but going from speakers that have a 3" midrange to ones with 4", 5" or 6" becomes a big jump for quality of midrange and bass above the subwoofer range. Aesthetically, Kef and Monitor Audio make some nice looking speakers that aren't too obtrusive and I believe they are both British companies so maybe their pricing is better there. The next one up the food chain would be the Monitor Audio Mass or Kef E305 but if pricing is similar I think it would be extending your budget even with the lesser receiver.

At the moment, I would go with the system you plan unless you want to do stereo and build on your system in the future.

 

For now, I need a 'decent' setup as I'm selling that crap Sony BDV-E3100 all-in-one, I want to subsitute it for something that I can use for the moment.

 

Then, in a few months I'll start saving up and maybe put a bit more into it as I suppose the Yamaha V475 AV should be suitable and I won't need to change that for my next setup righ?

 

I'm glad you think that the HTS wouldn't be a big jump and it's best to go with what I've got my mind set on for the moment. I went from looking at the Yamaha YHT-199 for £200, to the Yamaha RX-V375 AV with Yamaha NS-P40 Speakers for around £250 to now getting Yamaha RX-V475 AV with Tannoy SFX 5.1 Speakers for £300.

 

For a moment today I saw someone selling the HTS Speakers for £250 and I was tempted, it's £100 more than the SFX but if you say they aren't a huge jump, £100 extra isn't probably worth it, I don't have that much to put in anyway, he wouldn't accept £180 either.

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The 475 would be fine for use with other speakers if you upgrade in the future. Eventually, with the advent of 4k TVs and HDMI 2.0 the current receivers will need to be replaced. But, since there is no 4K material and prices will be high when available you should be fine for several years with the 475. Another reason to spend more on speakers, good speakers last 20 years or more. Electronics expect to replace about every 5 years or if you are an enthusiast every 2-3 years:-)
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I've got my Yamaha RX-V475 AV.

 

Now I just need Speakers and I want to make the right decision, I will probably be getting them from Richer Sounds, so I do have a 14 day exchange policy.

 

But, I'm stuck between the Tannoy SFX 5.1 or Wharfedale MS-100 HCP, links below with detailed specs.

 

http://www.tannoy.com/ResidentialSummary.aspx?q=66.284

http://www.wharfedale.co.uk/product.php?pid=36

 

On paper, which one would you say is better?

 

There is ohms to think about which I'm not too sure. I think if I was pairing Speakers with the Yamaha RX-V375 AV I would be looking at 4 ohms Speakers, right?

 

I've got the RX-V475, so maybe I should look at 6/8 ohms Speakers?

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Avoid 4 ohm speakers with AV amps. I'd go for the Tannoys, if you really want a budget sub/sat system

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Which brand of AV do you think would best suit the Tannoy SFX 5.1 Speakers I'm getting? I'm saying this because the Yamaha RX-V475 I was intending on getting might be out of stock, will the RX-V375 surfice? Or, maybe I should go for a Sony? A couple on Clearance at my retailer.

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Wait until it comes into stock or step up to yamaha 575

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What do you think of the Sony STR-DN840? Looks pretty good.

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I wouldn't buy a Sony

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I just purchased the Sony 1040 and love it! I also have a $1800 sc-25 and just sold a Aventage 830. So I've had high level and mid levels and the sc-25 is for sale. The on screen of the 1040 tramps the 840 and the sound is absolutely fantastic. Great room correction and same features/functions close to the double the cost next ES unit. I've also owned a Denon CI 2113 and the Sony kills it.

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Go for the Tannoy over the Wharfedale. The Wharfedale is another speaker trying to do everything with a single driver, you'll get better performance with a midrange and tweeter design.
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Go for the Tannoy over the Wharfedale. The Wharfedale is another speaker trying to do everything with a single driver, you'll get better performance with a midrange and tweeter design.

 

How about the AV? I was going to get a Yamaha RX-V475 but it's out of stock, which would pair best with the Tannoy's, Yamaha RX-V375 or Sony STR-DN840?

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Don't step down to the 375 it has crappy spring clips. Asked for a discount on the 575 otherwise you'll shop elseware. Don't buy a Sony.

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I got the Tannoy SFX 5.1 Speakers with the Yamaha RX-V500D for total of £340.

 

I soo didn't plan on spending so much, I hope I'm not disappointed with my purchases.

 

It was that or the RX-V375 with SFX for £320 as Richer Sounds didn't want to take more off, if they had said £300 I would've bought it.

 

I then later realised that the 375 didn't have HDMI Pass Through so that sort of put me off.

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It's all in place, the Yamaha RX-V500D from Peter Tyson eBay via offer for £190 and the Tannoy SFX 5.1 from Richer Sounds via VIP for £150.

 

Advise me here, I'm going on Holiday next Wednesday for a week, do you think something better will pop up during the next 2 weeks, or should I go for it now?

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I don't see the RX-v500 model on the usa website but it appears to be a lot nicer receiver for the money. I would go with it.
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I don't see the RX-v500 model on the usa website but it appears to be a lot nicer receiver for the money. I would go with it.

 

http://europe.yamaha.com/en/products/audio-visual/av-receivers-amps/rx-v500d_g/?mode=model

 

It does look much better, I'm trying to get the Tannoy TFX 5.1 Speakers instead of the SFX, the TFX look much better in comparison.

 

Any other Speakers to suggest which are similar to the Tannoy SFX/TFX range?

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Just to confirm, the Tannoy TFX Speakers are newer and perform as good as the SFX, right? The design of the SFX isn't nice to look at.

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