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Old 04-23-2014, 12:48 PM - Thread Starter
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Hi friends,

I currently live in an apartment and have a very nice 2.0 set up in my living room and i'm looking for some advice on what to do when i move to a townhouse with my own private closed attic area which i can use as a 'man cave'. I currently mostly listen to music which is why i have a 2.0 system but am interested in getting into a 5.1 system. I'm afraid i am not seeing the best solution for me and any help would be appreciated.

current system:
Mac Mini with lossless music collection -> Objective DAC -> Onkyo a-9555 Integrated amp -> a pair of Paradigm Mini Monitors v6
I also have a Turntable with a Cambridge Audio 640p phono amp which -> a-9555 amp
My tv, xbox, ps3 are not currently connected to this system

I am essentially gaining a room to design here and my options are the following:

1) Adding to current setup, but only having one system
add a a/v receiver such as the Yamaha RX-V475
adding 2 Paradigm Atom speakers to use as rear speakers
add a Paradigm center channel speaker
removing the Onkyo a-9555
This seems like a more expensive option (i would like to keep costs down) and would be the only speakers in the house...

2) Getting a separate modest system for Home Theater use
A) i could keep the exact setup i have now, but move it to another room such as our sitting/living room to listen to music while we hang out (what we do now)
B) Get the Yamaha RX-v475 and a 5.1 system such as the MartinLogan MLT-2 or the Energy Take Classic 5.1 or the Pioneer Andrew Jones designed 5.1 setup to use exclusively up in my man cave while i watch tv and play games
This would add a second lower cost system and give me two places to listen to music and and a dedicated tv watching spot.

does anyone have any thoughts on my situation?
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I like option 1 but I hate the Yamaha budget line of receivers and most of them in surround sound mode have no power when they are driving 5 speakers and not the case in stereo. There is a huge power drop running it as a surround sound receiver.
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Two channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
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1% distortion at 105.9 watts

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1% distortion at 27.8 watts
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I'd rather see you spend $50 more on something like a Denon AVR-E400 which is a much better receiver IMHO and reviewed with almost triple the power than the Yamaha. (PROOF). Yamaha's budget receivers are too budget.
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I like option 1 but I hate the Yamaha budget line of receivers and most of them in surround sound mode when they are driving 5 speakers and not in stereo. There is a huge power drop.
I'd rather see you spend $50 more on something like a Denon AVR-E400 which is a much better receiver IMHO and reviewed with almost triple the power than the Yamaha. (PROOF). Yamaha's budget receivers are too budget.

Agreed.

I demoed the V473 in home, for use with my computer desktop setup. I was not too thrilled with it. Denons definitely seem a better deal. smile.gif

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Ok lets say i go with a Denon E400 (which says discontinued on amazon) would upgrading my current system really be that much better than building a new system with that same Denon?
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Ok lets say i go with a Denon E400 (which says discontinued on amazon) would upgrading my current system really be that much better than building a new system with that same Denon?
Discontinued means nothing as Denon supports their receivers. They are probably making room for their new updated receiver. The e400 is just a newer version of the AVR-1913.

Option 1 is a no brainer if you are serious about sound quality, and having a great system for music and movies. Keep in mind you will need to get a subwoofer here too. Along with center and surrounds.

Option 2 is a step down in terms of sound quality. Thats why I don't recommend them. You have become use to the sound of your current speakers, so going to these smaller satellite speakers is a noticable step down in performance and your ears will know you are making a compromise. I think option 2 would be a horrible idea until you are looking for surround sound a small bedroom.

Whats your budget?
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budget for adding new system would be about 600-800 including the AV receiver

budget for adding speakers to current system about the same

another question... what happens to my onkyo a-9555 amp? is it needed any more?

also lets say i keep my 2.0 system as is and put it in another room. what 5.1 set is recommend assuming i get that e400 a/v receiver. in other words, what would be a step up from the sets i've listed?
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What is the size of the room you want to have surround sound in, include ceiling height?

Is that room open to other rooms or is it closed off.

Do you currently have a subwoofer? Cause your budget does not allow for you paradigm speakers and a subwoofer.

Keep your 2.0 stuff for another room. If I was in your shoes I would just sell the Onkyo receiver and use the added funds for a surround sound. You can run the Denon AVR-e400 in 2.0 mode as well as 5.1 mode when listening to music.

You are welcome hang onto your 2.0 system.

I would recommend this as a 5.1 set-up
-CAMBRIDGE AUDIO S30 4½" 2-way Bookshelf Speakers, $200/Pair,
-CAMBRIDGE AUDIO S50 4" 3-Way Center Channel Speaker, $170
-Cambridge Audio S20 Bookshelf speakers, $130
-Dayton Sub-1200, $109

-Factory Refurbished DENON AVR-E300 5.1 3D Networking Receiver AirPlay, $190
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+1 On the speakers and receiver

The Dayton sub is your call

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+2

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+3

One potential option with the above ... if you have 9" of height space for a center speaker you might consider another S30 for a center instead of the S50. The S30's are sold as pairs - only $30 more than S50. You could either keep the extra S30 as a spare speaker (the S30 are EOL) or use the extra S30 as center-back-surround speaker for a 6.1 setup.
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this is great feedback guys. i really appreciate it and now i must do more research!!!
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Now that I have seen the size of your room the only thing I would change is a the subwoofer. However that will blow your budget. And since you haven't had a subwoofer you might not now just how much you are missing.
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so tallying up the suggestion for Cambridge speakers at about 600 or so would i better off getting something like the $800 NHT Super Surround 5.1

http://www.nhthifi.com/bookshelf-speakers-subwoofer-Super-Surround-5-1?sc=12&category=3780

or do you yall suggest saving that 200 dollars and get a better AVR?
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or do you yall suggest saving that 200 dollars and get a better AVR?

Get a better subwoofer. BIC PL-200. Make them an offer of $250 and they'll probably come back at $275 or so. Here's a dedicated thread about it: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1137113/bic-acoustech-h200-subwoofer-aka-pl-200

Or wait. Save up. And get an SVS PB-1000.

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SVS sub

Or, this Reaction Audio sub
http://reaction-audio.myshopify.com/collections/frontpage/products/bps-212-turbo-powered-subwoofer

Subjective review here
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1527509/home-theater-upgrade-replace-for-around-2k/30#post_24642190

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Another good choice smile.gif

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so tallying up the suggestion for Cambridge speakers at about 600 or so would i better off getting something like the $800 NHT Super Surround 5.1

http://www.nhthifi.com/bookshelf-speakers-subwoofer-Super-Surround-5-1?sc=12&category=3780

or do you yall suggest saving that 200 dollars and get a better AVR?
Good speakers, on the same level as the Cambridge but a very small subwoofer for your LARGE room. With $800 I would recommend the Cambridge speakers I suggested with a better subwoofer
Yeah these are the types of subwoofer you will need for your large room. A great deal right now is also the Outlaw Audio LFM-1 Plus Subwoofer currently on sale for $500.

I gave you a set-up for $800 max budget. If you are now at $1,000 I would recommend the same speakers and receiver with just a better subwoofer
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A great deal right now is also the Outlaw Audio LFM-1 Plus Subwoofer currently on sale for $500.

I forgot about the sale on the Plus. I agree. That's a great deal at $500. You would not regret it for a moment once you heard it in your room with a good movie smile.gif

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I forgot about the sale on the Plus. I agree. That's a great deal at $500. You would not regret it for a moment once you heard it in your room with a good movie smile.gif

The sale ends on the 30th

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so tallying up the suggestion for Cambridge speakers at about 600 or so would i better off getting something like the $800 NHT Super Surround 5.1

No

Knock the Cambridge S20 for surrounds, off your list for now.
Concentrate on 3.1 - or use what you have as surrounds.

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No

Knock the Cambridge S20 for surrounds, off your list for now.
Concentrate on 3.1 - or use what you have as surrounds.

+1 Your old speakers will likely be fine as surrounds. The front three speaker (LCR) and sub are the more crucial.
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No

Knock the Cambridge S20 for surrounds, off your list for now.
Concentrate on 3.1 - or use what you have as surrounds.

are you saying that the Cambridge S30's are better than Paradigm Mini Monitors as front speakers?
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are you saying that the Cambridge S30's are better than Paradigm Mini Monitors as front speakers?

What version do you own?

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Mini Monitors v6
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Mini Monitors v6

I have not listened to the V6 - however, I owned 3 of the former versions,
and each time, I could not live with them for Music or HT. The midrange
was weak and the mushy/boomy bass gave me ear fatigue, and the treble
was not really clean. I prefer the Cambridge S30 over the older versions.

The Cambridge S30 is a good musical and HT speaker, with good tight and
controlled bass down to around 60 hz > it has good detail and definition.

I cannot guarantee that you would prefer the Cambridge over the V6.
However, I would make room in your budget for a nice subwoofer.

I would not use any Energy or small NHT speakers for a surround system.

Your call
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got it. thanks a lot for the responses.
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The sale ends on the 30th

thought the sale ends on 8th of this month, read that on another forum here, how good are this outlaw subs anyway.....not an audiophile or anything....

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thought the sale ends on 8th of this month, read that on another forum here, how good are this outlaw subs anyway.....not an audiophile or anything....

The LFM-1 Plus is the best ported sub you can get for $500. You could buy a sub listed $1200 MSRP at BestBuy and not get a better sub.

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thought the sale ends on 8th of this month, read that on another forum here, how good are this outlaw subs anyway.....not an audiophile or anything....

They extended the sale till the 8th - to give you a chance

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just saw the outlaw lmf plus sub sale ended today...now its available at $549......ordered one just waiting to hear its perfomance

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