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Hi all, I'm new here, right now I have the Harman Kardon HK 3490 receiver and the JBL Control 5 speakers, but I want to upgrade my speakers, I want a very good bass response for Heavy Metal and Salsa music(I don't want a sub, I only hear music in stereo mode, CD, 2 channels, not Super Audio CD or DVD Audio, 44.1kHz 16 bit, I don't need a subwoofer) I just want to know which speakers are good for music, the best quality at $500 range with good bass response, I was thinking of the JBL Studio L830, I read a lot of reviews for those speakers and everyone says that they sound very clean, clear and with amazing bass and tremendous quality, but I don't know about that and I was thinking of the JBL Control 10 or Bowers And Wilkins 685(both used of course)  I'm interested in bookshelf, not floor speakers, which are the best at $500 range? thanks.

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I would take a look at the Arx A2rx-c speaker. http://www.chanemusiccinema.com/chane-arx-loudspeakers/A2rx-c

Good bass and just an overall fantastic speaker. I've used the older A2 as stereo pair and i've ran them full range for music before. The smaller Arx A1b bookshelf with just a single woofer had better bass than some 6.5" larger bookshelfs. Dual XBL2 woofers and large enclosure is definitely gonna give decent bass for music. Not subwoofer bass but probably one of the best in your price range.
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I just want to know which speakers are good for music, the best quality at $500 range with good bass response, I was thinking of the JBL Studio L830, I read a lot of reviews for those speakers and everyone says that they sound very clean, clear and with amazing bass and tremendous quality, but I don't know about that and I was thinking of the JBL Control 10 or Bowers And Wilkins 685(both used of course)  I'm interested in bookshelf, not floor speakers, which are the best at $500 range? thanks.

I would look at the JBL Studio 530 - they have good frequency response, and the bass
will play below 50 hz > I am a former owner
http://www.jbl.com/estore/jbl/us/products/STUDIO+530/STUDIO%20530_JBL_US

Some of the speakers that owners/testers (subjective), have chosen JBL over are;
Aperion Intimus 5B, Ascend Acoustics Sierra, Audioengine P4, Axiom Audio M22,
B&W 683 & 685, Dali Mentor & Icon, Dynaudio Contour & Focus, Epos Epic 1,
GoldenEar Triton & Aon, Linn, NHT Classic 3, Magnepan MMG & 1.6,
Monitor Audio Silver RS6 & RX1, RSL CG4, Revel F12, and Tekton Design Model 4.5.

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I really can not decide between the JBL Studio L830 or JBL Studio 530 have you heard the JBL Studio L830? The JBL Studio 530 are in the JBL Synthesis site, I assume it's better quality speaker, but I still... hhmmm I don't know...

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I really can not decide between the JBL Studio L830 or JBL Studio 530 have you heard the JBL Studio L830? The JBL Studio 530 are in the JBL Synthesis site, I assume it's better quality speaker, but I still... hhmmm I don't know...
I have listened to the older L1 bookshelf speakers

I have not listened to the L830 - however the L830 needs 2 tweeters to do what
the Studio 530, was designed to do with 1 tweeter. >> There have been some
comments about the L830, lacking somewhat in detail and definition

Here is a subjective review, where the owner preferred the 530 over the L830
http://www.amazon.com/review/RVW85YGAU3Q9D/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm

Your call, you may be happy with either one

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I am now more convinced, but the thing is, they go loud? I have the Harman Kardon HK 3490 receiver and my JBL Control 5 sounds pretty loud there, you have them(JBL Studio 530), you can tell...

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I am now more convinced, but the thing is, they go loud? I have the Harman Kardon HK 3490 receiver and my JBL Control 5 sounds pretty loud there, you have them(JBL Studio 530), you can tell...

The L830 will play louder with less watts compared to the 530, however
loudness does not guarantee that a speaker sounds better. The 530 can
get Loud, and will take the power that the Harman Kardon has. The 530 is
easier to drive at 6 ohms vs the 4 ohms of the control 5, Plus the JBL 530
will have more bass compared to the control 5, and the 530 horn tweeter
is clean and smooth with no blaring offensive sound.

I have owned the 530, and they are not a wimp.

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Ok thanks, I 'm seraching both sides, Loudness and Quality, but I'm very convinced that the JBL Studio 530 has better quality over the JBL Studio L830, Bowers And Wilkins 685 and Monitor Audio brand(same price and range) but I'm very interested in Loudness and Quality, did you know another brand that have that(bookshelf) (Still thinking in JBL Studio 530 in the first and better option) but I want to spend my $500 the best possible, if you know another model and brand that can go louder and better than the JBL Studio 530, please let me know, than you very much for your help.

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O but I'm very interested in Loudness and Quality, did you know another brand that have that(bookshelf) (Still thinking in JBL Studio 530 in the first and better option) but I want to spend my $500 the best possible, if you know another model and brand that can go louder and better than the JBL Studio 530, please let me know, than you very much for your help.

For $500 or less - the Studio 530 is my preference

There will be speakers that can play louder per watts, but you will have to decide
if the quality is enough for you

Not my preference, however look at the Klipsch RB600 at Crutchfield
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_714RB600B/Klipsch-Reference-RB-600.html?showAll=N&search=KLIPSCH_RB600&skipvs=T

Also, check the HB1 bookshelf speakers at HSU Research
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hb-1.html

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Don't know if these will have more bass than the 530s but they do have a 6.5" driver that looks a lot like the drivers used in the 5 series. Seems like a really nice speaker.

http://www.amazon.com/JBL-Studio-230-Bookshelf-Loudspeaker/dp/B00GJXSWZW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1398470293&sr=8-1&keywords=jbl+studio+230

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I would also recommend the arx a2's or a1's. For the price, you just aren't going to get anything better. The bass and midrange is nice, but I am especially impressed with the tweeter performance. I own an a2 and the a3's, and every time I turn these speakers on I am impressed by the clarity and large soundstage. Aside from arx, ascend seems to have very good bang for the buck.
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Ok thanks, I 'm seraching both sides, Loudness and Quality, but I'm very convinced that the JBL Studio 530 has better quality over the JBL Studio L830, Bowers And Wilkins 685 and Monitor Audio brand(same price and range) but I'm very interested in Loudness and Quality, did you know another brand that have that(bookshelf) (Still thinking in JBL Studio 530 in the first and better option) but I want to spend my $500 the best possible, if you know another model and brand that can go louder and better than the JBL Studio 530, please let me know, than you very much for your help.

I haven't heard the 530s, but I trust zieglj01's recommendation. As well as the fact that JBL has a reputation for having stepped up the quality of their speaker design work in the last few years.

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I don't know, but that: Sensitivity 86dB and that: Frequency Response at (-6dB) of the JBL Studio 530 doens't convinced me about loudness, the Klipsch Reference RB-61 II has a Sensitivity of 95dB and 400 watts RMS maximum and everyone says that it has a amazing detail and quality, I guess the Klipsch go louder and with good quality and detail, but if you still thinking the JBL Studio 530 can go that loud, please tell me...I can't decide ....

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I don't know, but that: Sensitivity 86dB and that: Frequency Response at (-6dB) of the JBL Studio 530 doens't convinced me about loudness, the Klipsch Reference RB-61 II has a Sensitivity of 95dB and 400 watts RMS maximum and everyone says that it has a amazing detail and quality, I guess the Klipsch go louder and with good quality and detail, but if you still thinking the JBL Studio 530 can go that loud, please tell me...I can't decide ....

Do not go by published specs - the Klipsch were measured to be 90.5 db sensitive!
Also, the Klipsch is -6db at 45 hz

If you want to judge a speaker by the, it will play louder thing - then buy the Klipsch.

While Klipsch Reference can play some-what louder - I prefer the overall JBL Quality.
You would be surprised what the JBL woofer can do with bass.

It is your money and choice - your call - enjoy the adventure!

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the Klipsch Reference RB-61 II has a Sensitivity of 95dB .
Nope. http://www.soundandvision.com/content/klipsch-reference-rb-61-ii-speaker-system-ht-labs-measures
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Ok, I think I'm gonna buy the JBL Studio 530, I've always been a fan of JBL; then if the Klipsch can't do the 95dB then the JBL Studio 530 can't do the 86dB? Maybe the JBL Studio 530 can go beyond the 86dB and we can not know, specs are specs, and performance is performance.

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Ok, I think I'm gonna buy the JBL Studio 530, I've always been a fan of JBL; then if the Klipsch can't do the 95dB then the JBL Studio 530 can't do the 86dB? Maybe the JBL Studio 530 can go beyond the 86dB and we can not know, specs are specs, and performance is performance.

http://youtu.be/rveqwidarko This is pretty impresive, eventhough it's a video on YouTube and loses sound quality.

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http://youtu.be/rveqwidarko This is pretty impresive, eventhough it's a video on YouTube and loses sound quality.

They are good speakers - and JBL/Harman will take care of you if there is any problems.
They are a very big company - and a lot of us buy their products without fear.smile.gif

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http://youtu.be/rveqwidarko This is pretty impresive, eventhough it's a video on YouTube and loses sound quality.

I honestly don't know how anyone expects to tell anything useful from speaker videos. It's someone else's room, using their mic, and played over your speakers, then influenced by your room. They all sound like sound coming over my Energy speakers to me. (lol)

However, this is a useful speaker video that shows you something about the ability of the speakers!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlpqBoQ1hoQ

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Ok, I think I'm gonna buy the JBL Studio 530, I've always been a fan of JBL; then if the Klipsch can't do the 95dB then the JBL Studio 530 can't do the 86dB? Maybe the JBL Studio 530 can go beyond the 86dB and we can not know, specs are specs, and performance is performance.

That is the sensitivity of the speaker, not how loud they will go, it just means it takes less power to push the more sensitive speaker. Klipsch is notorious for exaggerating their sensitivity specs. JBL is probably closer to the truth, but I'm sure your receiver will be fine with either one.
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I listen through my headphones, there are several videos of these speakers and in this video the bass can be heard better than other's in Youtube, I know is not the best way, but you can have an idea of the sound.

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I listen through my headphones, there are several videos of these speakers and in this video the bass can be heard better than other's in Youtube, I know is not the best way, but you can have an idea of the sound.

You have an idea of how well the video was recorded and posted on youtube.
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I listen through my headphones, there are several videos of these speakers and in this video the bass can be heard better than other's in Youtube, I know is not the best way, but you can have an idea of the sound.

Well, I can listen through my headphones, too, and I have lots of headphones. And the speakers will sound different through each of them when watching the same video.
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You have an idea of how well the video was recorded and posted on youtube.

Or how much EQ was added. LOL

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Then I have an idea of the speakers sound, not all the speakers sounds the same in the videos; a person in YouTube has a lot of JBL Speakers, they the repaired them for the coustumers, they have a lot of videos of JBL and another brands of speakers and they recorded them with the same microphone and same audio system and the speakers doesn't sound the same, each speakers sounds diferent, like a say, that isn't the best way to test a speaker, IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE SOUND.

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You have an idea of how well the video was recorded and posted on youtube.

Then I have an idea of the speakers sound, not all the speakers sounds the same in the videos; a person in YouTube has a lot of JBL Speakers, they the repaired them for the coustumers, they have a lot of videos of JBL and another brands of speakers and they recorded them with the same microphone and same audio system and the speakers doesn't sound the same, each speakers sounds diferent, like a say, that isn't the best way to test a speaker, IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE SOUND.

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. . . IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE SOUND.

Good luck then. Go do your speaker shopping on YouTube. There's no further need for this thread. (lol)
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jajajaja is just an idea of the sound, but I always listen to speakers in front of me lol

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For $500 or less - the Studio 530 is my preference

There will be speakers that can play louder per watts, but you will have to decide
if the quality is enough for you

Not my preference, however look at the Klipsch RB600 at Crutchfield
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_714RB600B/Klipsch-Reference-RB-600.html?showAll=N&search=KLIPSCH_RB600&skipvs=T

Also, check the HB1 bookshelf speakers at HSU Research
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hb-1.html

+1 for the Hsus
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i got my polk lsi7 for 500$ a pair from amazon, but now discontinued.

at full retail price I would recommend paradigm atom / monitor
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