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I'm recently purchased a condo and would really appreciate any input on how to make the most out of a new system. The dimensions/layout of my space (with pictures of rooms) can be found here: http://imgur.com/a/kAinT



My current mindset is to purchase a decent 2.1 system and then upgrade from there when I have additional funds (remember - new condo tongue.gif). After reading countless reviews on this site I was thinking of buying a pair of HVL-1's and a Denon AVR-E300 receiver and a NXG-BAS-500 sub.

FYI: I spoke with an NXG rep and they are out of stock everywhere due to a factory fire, but should receive a new shipment in about 8 weeks.

Some people have suggested that I spend a bit more on speakers for a 2.1 system and go for a pair of the Ascend Acoustic CBM-170 SEs. These seem to have very good reviews as well and are made by the same guy as the HVL-1. Will it really be a noticeable upgrade?

My questions are:
  • Is this a good setup for the space the system will be placed in? My main concern is for the sound to be heard in the room with the shelves, but it would be nice for sound to travel to the sun-room or other large space in case I am working.
  • Is this a good setup for 75% HT and 25% Music (won't need to be too loud as I am top floor and don't want to disturb neighbors)?
  • Could I make better use of ~$1000?
  • Would it still sound good to place the speakers in that custom bookshelf, or do I really need to use the opposite wall which is blank for the center of my HT? (note: bookshelf is only 1' 3" deep but I can raise and lower shelves)
  • Where should the sub go?

The condo and I are a clean slate. I've tried to do my homework on things but could really use some reassurance/guidance. Thanks!
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A 2.1 set-up is a great way to start. Though I will caustion you to avoid speakers that are rear ported as placing them in a bookshelf can hurt their performance and sound.

The HVL-1 are front ported so no issues there. You can even buy a third to use as a center and given that it is front ported the issue is mitigated too.

So 3 HVL-1's is 335. E300 factory refurbished can be had for $200 from accessoriesforless. Maybe look at a $500 subwoofer from SVS, Outlaw, or Reaction audio


As for subwoofer positioning it varies from room to room to room. So I suggest you perform the"Subwoofer Crawl" to find the best location or the best location you can stand to look at. biggrin.gif
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Would it be more beneficial to get a 3rd HVL-1 as a center speaker and keep the NXG sub, or to get a better sub like the SVS. I'm not a super bass heavy loving person, but I'd like it to be accurate.

EDIT: One off question - Any suggestions on how to dampen a Sub from rumbling the floor too much and annoying other neighbors in the condo unit? Do they make dampening pads? I don't want to shake the floor a ton, which currently hardwood. Thanks!
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Or on 2nd thought, should I skip the 2.1 setup and just get the pair of these Polk RTi A7 Floor Standing Speakers?

Ugh, so many choices...
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For home theater usage, towers are not a substitute for having a good sub. Better would be to start with the bookshelves and sub and put more money toward the sub. If you decide later you want towers for your front soundstage, you can always move the bookshelves to surround duty smile.gif

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Ever since I heard the difference of a Bic H100 to a HSU VTF-2 Mk3 I was hooked in agreeing that some extra money on a internet direct subwoofer is money well spend. Ever since I have been saving my pennys for one of the $500-$600 subwoofers.

As for dampening the subwoofer to not annoy the neighbors.
I personally use a Auralex AmpDude Subwoofer Isolation Pad . In my old apartment my downstairs neighbors let me do an experiment of with the pad and without it. I found that no matter what bass audio waves transfered through the floor, but without the pad I noticed that there was alot of rattling in this apartment with light fixture in the ceiling and frames on wall. With the pad all that could be heard was bass waves.

I gave them my cell phone number told me to call me or knock on my door if it was ever to loud for them and I would turn it down immediately.

When living in a complex with a serious audio system its important to practice volume control at night. What is an OK volume at 3pm might not be an OK volume at 9pm. I always made sure I knew the time. Addittionally I knew how to turn the the Subwoofer level through the receiver which I would do at night.

Those Polks are certainly something to look at. I am personally a fan of Polk Speakers, One thing to think about those is the matching center to those towers is rear ported so it might not do well in your cabinet.

Polk offers some great deals on their ebay site FYI
-Polk Audio RTi12 CHERRY Floorstanding Loudspeakers [NEW/PAIR], $680. Previous generation to the current RTi A9's
-Polk Audio RTi8 CHERRY Tower Speakers [NEW/PAIR], $400
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Hi Kevin,

From the looks of your photos, it appears that an all in one 2.1 system might be the best bet given your space limitations. A tabletop 2.1 soundbar with Bluetooth could be a good start for you, so you don't have to have bulky speakers and a sub.
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I was under the impression that wireless sound bars in general were crap when it comes to quality, is that not always the case?

Also, would it be ridiculous to take advantage of the Outlaw Audio LFM-1 Plus current discount and pair that with the WaveCrest HVL-1 Speakers? Would that combo work well?
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Also, would it be ridiculous to take advantage of the Outlaw Audio LFM-1 Plus current discount and pair that with the WaveCrest HVL-1 Speakers? Would that combo work well?

That is a good way to start

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I was under the impression that wireless sound bars in general were crap when it comes to quality, is that not always the case?

Also, would it be ridiculous to take advantage of the Outlaw Audio LFM-1 Plus current discount and pair that with the WaveCrest HVL-1 Speakers? Would that combo work well?
Soundbars are a compromise.

I don't think the Outlaw subwoofer with the WaveCrest speakers is ridiculous. Its a great place to start and give plenty of room to expand your system in the future.
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I agree. The Plus is an incredible sub for the price, and it would do well with your setup. Just make sure you check the dimensions of it. It might be bigger than you think smile.gif

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Soundbars are a compromise.

I don't think the Outlaw subwoofer with the WaveCrest speakers is ridiculous. Its a great place to start and give plenty of room to expand your system in the future.

+1. This setup will be leaps and bounds better than 95% of soundbar 2.1s.

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Is there a good sub for ~$500 or less that would fit in a 1' 1.5" space width (the shelves are also 1' 3" deep)? That is the space between the edge of the bookshelf's and the wall (top left in diagram). I understand that this is probably not the "ideal" location for the sub, but as long as it is functional and not too bad sound quality wise I think it would be preferable. This space is the main area of my condo and I would prefer to not have the sub situated in the wide open.

Another possibility would be to place the sub in the opposite corner (bottom left of my main room diagram). I will have a couch on the far wall so it would be situated in the corner right next to the couch used most of the time. Would this be ok? Which placement would be better?
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The other very good subs to consider in that $500 range are the SVS SB-1000 and PB-1000, the HSU VTF-1 MK2, and the Reaction Audio BPS 12 Turbo.

The SB-1000 is a compact sub best for small rooms. It will excel for music listening, but would not have the extension (or maximum output) of the PB-1000 that one might want for movie watching. The BPS 12 Turbo is a larger dual driver sealed sub that should have lots of output, although my guess is that the PB-1000 might extend deeper. The HSU VTF-1 MK2 is probably most similar to the PB-1000 in overall performance.

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Thanks for the sub advice. I've read quite a bit about subs and feel comfortable picking the best ones at the respective price ranges, but was just wondering more about the size and placement of the sub.

Appreciate all the help guys.
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Looks like the SVS SB-1000 is the only good sub I can find which will fit in that 13.5 inch space next to my bookshelves and in the corner of the room. Hopefully this will be enough sound for my HT usage in such a large room (I know that it got stellar reviews for music).
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Looks like the SVS SB-1000 is the only good sub I can find which will fit in that 13.5 inch space next to my bookshelves and in the corner of the room. Hopefully this will be enough sound for my HT usage in such a large room (I know that it got stellar reviews for music).

It is probably not enough sub for that big a space. Subs see the whole room--including any open adjacent areas. However, SVS has a 45 day home trial--free shipping both ways. So no penalty to try it. smile.gif

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Looks like the SVS SB-1000 is the only good sub I can find which will fit in that 13.5 inch space next to my bookshelves and in the corner of the room. Hopefully this will be enough sound for my HT usage in such a large room (I know that it got stellar reviews for music).

Better than not having one

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Looks like the SVS SB-1000 is the only good sub I can find which will fit in that 13.5 inch space next to my bookshelves and in the corner of the room. Hopefully this will be enough sound for my HT usage in such a large room (I know that it got stellar reviews for music).
that is a risky game you are playing.... Just cause a subwoofer position looks good it might be horrible for bass. Subwoofers are very positioned focused. It's always best to do a subwoofer crawl and find out the best position for the subwoofer in your room.

Best position for looks is usually never the best in terms of sound.

I am still in the boat of the Outlaw LFM-1 Plus given the size of your room
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What cables do I need to connect a 2.1 speaker system. Are these good wires: http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=102&cp_id=10239&cs_id=1023901&p_id=2747&seq=1&format=2

What type of cable is needed to connect the sub to a Denon receiver?

Thanks!
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What cables do I need to connect a 2.1 speaker system. Are these good wires: http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=102&cp_id=10239&cs_id=1023901&p_id=2747&seq=1&format=2

What type of cable is needed to connect the sub to a Denon receiver?

The speaker cable is fine

Get the proper lengh of this type coaxial cable for your sub
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=102&cp_id=10236&cs_id=1023603&p_id=6305&seq=1&format=2

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Does the Monoprice Wire have any real advantage over this Amazon Wire?

With Amazon Prime the price difference is about $20 for me.
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The Amazon speaker cable is copper clad aluminum. The Monoprice is pure copper. Copper is better.

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Does the Monoprice Wire have any real advantage over this Amazon Wire?

With Amazon Prime the price difference is about $20 for me.
If that wire is copper-clad aluminum (which it seems to be), then I
would prefer regular copper wire > with copper-clad-aluminum, a
thicker guage is prefered due to resistance.

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So I hooked everything up together - HVL-1's, E-300 (refurb), and SVS SB-1000 but something is not correct. The SVS sub does not seem to be playing any music out of it... There is a very very faint sound which comes out during auddyssey but nowhere near where it should be.

I'm not sure what to do. The sub is definitely on, hooked to the E-300 with this wire.

What am I doing wrong?
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i would try another sub cable
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i would try another sub cable
When I touch the end of the sub wire I get loud thuds... is it possible that it is the receiver?

EDIT: It was the cable. Not sure what happened cause I unplugged and plugged back in multiple times but I wiggled the connection piece of the cord and then plugged back in with success. Thanks for the advice.

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go to see it,nderstand that this is probably not the "ideal" location for the sub, but as long as it is functional and not too bad sound quality wise I think it would be preferable. This space is the main area of my condo and I would prefer to not have the sub situated in the wide open [IMG]http://*******/9jszky[/IMG]
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System update

Just thought I should let you guys know that most of you were correct - the SB-1000 didn't have the output that I was hoping for and I have since exchanged it for the PB-1000 which should be delivered tomorrow. SVS has been absolutely great with respect to customer service (I was actually over a week outside their "trial" period and they allowed me to exchange no questions asked). I have nothing but good things to say about that company.
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