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post #1 of 14 Old 05-02-2014, 01:56 PM - Thread Starter
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Here is my problem, I cannot stand my current audio system for movies (never used for music).  I have had a Yamaha RX-V375 and Energy Take Classic 5.1 speakers for a two or three months (Darn Amazon for the good reviews on both).  I fried (within two weeks) the voice coil on the Energy sub-woofer, replaced the sub-woofer speaker and added a BIC f12 sub-woofer.  I still can't get the system to sound "good" to me. It sounds "plain" unless I crank it up.  The wife says I must be going deaf since it sounds okay to her.  (I think she is okay with it from a financial aspect (spend no more), and not with it sounds good to her - during a recent movie *below* she suggested going to headphones.)

 

I am ready to either replace the speakers or just break down and get something like the Fry's 7.1 Klipsch combo for $1200....but, I am not sure which route to take.  Replace the fronts and center with quality speakers (well quality for me..I like the gold/copper look of the Klipsch)...but, then the Yamaha might be the problem.  Replace everything and then I have wasted about $750.  Live with it and use it for TV (dialog is clear)  and use headphones/old setup for movies for movies.

 

Nothing is calibrated other than letting the Yamaha do it's automatic setup via the microphone.  The Energy speakers sound much "better" as they have aged...but, once again I found "us" turning the 5.1 off during "Gravity" (I probably should have turned Gravity off) in favor of use using JVC wireless headphones.

 

Any advice would be appreciated.  My room is the one in the top right of the plans with the stairs and about 15 x 19 with lots of junk (book shelves, exercise equipment, etc.).  I know the room setup is not suited to good audio with the shape/speaker next to the wall/junk in the room.

 

I made the mistake of starting with a Logitech 2.1 200 watt system with a sub-woofer that most describe as having too much "boom", and I like "boom" or feel of a movie without going deaf. (My vehicle has a lot of "boom" (great sub) as well and I spend two hours a day in it.)  I have even "toyed" with the idea of just getting the Logitech Z906 5.1 system for about $310 and giving up on the receiver.

 

So the question is: throw money at what I have, or buy a new system (will I even notice a difference with the Klipsch system/speakers without professional calibration/set up *someone who knows what they are doing*), or get the Logitech Z906 with it's "boom", or just stick with what I've got and have a professional install a quality system in my "retirement" house (next house) in a year or three?

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Well, you don't have a system, you have components. Without spending money on treating your room getting different speakers and a better sub would be the next best option. I doubt your avr (or source) is the issue. You just need to get better speakers (and maybe not try to play them as loudly unless you get more capable speakers). That's a large room for the Energy Takes and the sub that comes with the Takes is pretty weak.
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Disregard this thread.  I already knew what I needed to do which is put the appropriate money into a "system"  or "components" from the start.  So for now, I'll do the "band aid" of  upgrading the front and center speakers (if they don't improve the overall sound, at least they will look good) and give the Logitech 5.1 a try. 

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I'd look at either Klipsch or Energy floor-standing w/ 6.5" drivers front with a comparable center channel to start but you are looking at at least $1500 for just the three speakers. Energy RC-70 and RC-LCR or Klipsch 61/62 combo. That room will most likely need a pair of subs to fill it with boom. SVS SB/SP 2000 -- one to start and add a second if more LFE is desired. I usually recommend the Take Classic for rooms smaller than 12 x 10. I wouldn't even bother with the Logitech system if the Take Classic wasn't cutting it. Logitech makes good systems for media in small rooms but they aren't very good at all in big rooms. If you stick with the Energy floor-standing then you should be able to use the Take system for the surrounds.

My room is smaller than yours and I'm pushing 3000 watts to 11 speakers with an additional 3000 watts of sub power. Gravity is absolutely killer on my system but sad to see man's whole space program go up in a big cloud of debris in 30 minutes. I've watched it several times already with different groups of people.

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If you are going to continue to use the energy takes as surrounds and go to larger front speakers I suggest a different receiver as the Yamaha only has one crossover setting. And with larger speakers they would need a lower crossover than your takes as surrounds.

Addittionally the Yamaha struggles to make any real power then driving all speakers in surround mode.
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Thanks for the advice and I kind of figured it would be better to do a complete dump of what I have now and change both the speakers and the AVR by trying to catch a "combo" deal at Fry's or World Wide Stereo....but for now, I will just try upgrading the fronts and center.  It is currently not a budget issue (I'm just cheap).   Also,  I am trying to apply a three month "use" rule to my purchases and I bought the current..."stuff" March 8th, so I think I will start "small" with Klipsch speakers (maybe the ones suggested above).   

 

I really think "audio" is going to be a problem for me.  With a projector or TV, it is fairly easy...get one put it up and enjoy. Audio is another issue since  I am a plug and play guy who needs something I can plug in and "play".   Unless the AVR automatic setup handles "crossovers" on it's own, I am out of luck absent a professional install. 

 

So for the short run, I just need to find the right place with the right price on Klipsch speakers, and try the speakers for a while before upgrading the AVR and the rest of the speakers.  I may just go with a 3.2 system and get a SVS subwoofer (and also use my three week old  sub BIC F12 unless that is a bad idea). 

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If you are going to continue to use the energy takes as surrounds and go to larger front speakers I suggest a different receiver as the Yamaha only has one crossover setting. And with larger speakers they would need a lower crossover than your takes as surrounds.

Addittionally the Yamaha struggles to make any real power then driving all speakers in surround mode.

Agreed. A Denon E300 would be an upgrade without breaking the bank.

I'd skip the combo deals and focus on your front three speakers, then a sub upgrade after that. A good sub will run you around $500. For speakers, I'd look at HSU, EMP Tek, or Ascend Acoustics.

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For extremely budget minded (I know you said budget wasn't an issue, but you like to spend frugally), I'd actually recommend checking out newegg.com for speaker and receiver deals. They always got something going on for a lot entry level stuff. Since it sounds like you don't really care for the auditioning process and just want some bang for the buck that'd be my point of attack. By bank for the buck I mean something relatively inexpensive but will provide the kind of "nice" sound you're looking for. I recall seeing some JBL deal of LCR for like $250. In any case, might be worth a look for you,

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Consider getting your system professionally calibrated. It made a HUGE difference in my system.
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steve1106, you need to allow some time to figure it out.

As suggested, the Energy Takes and sub aren't enough for that room. Professional calibration isn't going to make them sound bigger. Larger speakers will.

A receiver with good room correction should help.
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Here is my problem, I cannot stand my current audio system for movies (never used for music).  I have had a Yamaha RX-V375 and Energy Take Classic 5.1 speakers for a two or three months (Darn Amazon for the good reviews on both).  I fried (within two weeks) the voice coil on the Energy sub-woofer, replaced the sub-woofer speaker and added a BIC f12 sub-woofer.  I still can't get the system to sound "good" to me. It sounds "plain" unless I crank it up.  The wife says I must be going deaf since it sounds okay to her.  (I think she is okay with it from a financial aspect (spend no more), and not with it sounds good to her - during a recent movie *below* she suggested going to headphones.)
 
I am ready to either replace the speakers or just break down and get something like the Fry's 7.1 Klipsch combo for $1200....but, I am not sure which route to take.  Replace the fronts and center with quality speakers (well quality for me..I like the gold/copper look of the Klipsch)...but, then the Yamaha might be the problem.  Replace everything and then I have wasted about $750.  Live with it and use it for TV (dialog is clear)  and use headphones/old setup for movies for movies.
 
Nothing is calibrated other than letting the Yamaha do it's automatic setup via the microphone.  The Energy speakers sound much "better" as they have aged...but, once again I found "us" turning the 5.1 off during "Gravity" (I probably should have turned Gravity off) in favor of use using JVC wireless headphones.
 
Any advice would be appreciated.  My room is the one in the top right of the plans with the stairs and about 15 x 19 with lots of junk (book shelves, exercise equipment, etc.).  I know the room setup is not suited to good audio with the shape/speaker next to the wall/junk in the room.
 
I made the mistake of starting with a Logitech 2.1 200 watt system with a sub-woofer that most describe as having too much "boom", and I like "boom" or feel of a movie without going deaf. (My vehicle has a lot of "boom" (great sub) as well and I spend two hours a day in it.)  I have even "toyed" with the idea of just getting the Logitech Z906 5.1 system for about $310 and giving up on the receiver.
 
So the question is: throw money at what I have, or buy a new system (will I even notice a difference with the Klipsch system/speakers without professional calibration/set up *someone who knows what they are doing*), or get the Logitech Z906 with it's "boom", or just stick with what I've got and have a professional install a quality system in my "retirement" house (next house) in a year or three?
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As an installer and calibrationist, your best bet is to have the equipment programmed and calibrated, then you can see (or hear) exactly what you would like to change/upgrade without unecessary trials and cost. Just my $0.02.

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As an installer and calibrationist, your best bet is to have the equipment programmed and calibrated, then you can see (or hear) exactly what you would like to change/upgrade without unecessary trials and cost. Just my $0.02.

I knew I went too cheap right from the start, but the good reviews of the Energy speakers missed me up and I didn't take into account the size of my room. So, I just threw out the baby with the bathwater and just started buying: Infinity P163s for fronts and the PC251 for the center, then a few weeks later I added P153s for rears, then a few months later replaced the P163s with P363s, and then a couple of months ago replaced the PC251 with a PC351 while replacing the Yamaha 375 with a 365 for 7.2 and one more inexpensive sub to the mix.


While it is still a very cheap setup and much less than some spend on one speaker, I can live with it for now and it has been a great learning experience plus I have a ton of spare parts. (Yamaha R375, P153s, Energy 3.1, BIC F12, PC251).
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The problem is almost certainly the size of your room. The speakers and sub you are using are not near enough for that room.

2x http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hb-1.html
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hc-1.html
http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/view-all/pb-1000

Those will fill the space much better. Make sure you set the AVR properly also, the auto room EQ on most receivers sets the fronts to large and the crossover as low as the fronts can play, regardless of the speakers and sub being used. It will make the system sound weaker than it is. After running the auto EQ, go into the settings and manually change the front speaker size to small and set the crossover to 80hz.
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