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post #1 of 21 Old 05-09-2014, 07:42 PM - Thread Starter
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Hey guys can't stand my old sony center channel speaker... Hard to hear dialogue clearly sometimes. Really want great, crisp vocal clarity with overall smooth sound. High def audio system deserves better smile.gif

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Look at Pioneer Speakers designed by Andrew Jones

SP-C21 (1st Generation)
SP-C22 (2nd Generation)

I have not heard theC22, but the C21 is Awesome! However, check the dimensions before you buy. I have seen the C21 as low as 49.99.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/Speakers/Home+Theater+Speakers

Amazon, Fry's, Newegg have them on sale regularly.
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if you're gonna replace your center you need to get match front speakers too.


you want the front 3 speakers to be timbre matched.
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+1 ^^^^
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if you're gonna replace your center you need to get match front speakers too.


you want the front 3 speakers to be timbre matched.

I understand the concept, but people make this a bigger deal than it is. If the OP wants a new center only, then there is nothing wrong with that.
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I also agree - that you should timbre (voice tone) match the front 3 channels

Just $27 over budget, if you can swing it

Pioneer Center C22
http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-C22-Designed-Channel-Speaker/dp/B008NCD2EI/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1399761799&sr=1-4&keywords=pioneer+speakers

Pioneer BS22 speakers
http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-BS22-LR-Designed-Bookshelf-Loudspeakers/dp/B008NCD2LG/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1399761999&sr=1-1&keywords=pioneer+speakers+bs22

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I'll check those pioneers out you guys mentioned, thanks!! I'm sure I'll replace the fronts eventually I just want clearer natural dialogue ASAP . Thanks fellas!
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You can get 2 pairs of the Dayton B652 speakers for only $80 from Parts Express, and use 3 of them.

Those are amazingly good speakers, for a ridiculously low price.

I had a set of Boston speakers with a Cambridge amplifier for my 60" Sony and CD player in my den, and replaced them with the Daytons.

It was a big improvement, despite the fact that the Boston speakers cost 3 times as much.
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I understand the concept, but people make this a bigger deal than it is. If the OP wants a new center only, then there is nothing wrong with that.

+1. In my experience most center speakers at the low and medium prices aren't well "timbre matched" anyway. The best timbre matching, aside from using 3 identical speaker systems is to leave the center channel speaker out of the system entirely as long as you can watch from directly in front of the TV..
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I'll check those pioneers out you guys mentioned, thanks!! I'm sure I'll replace the fronts eventually I just want clearer natural dialogue ASAP .

Here is another option - Buy 2 pairs of the Teac, and use one as a center, and have
a spare speaker.
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/teaclsh265a/teac-ls-h265-2-way-5-1/4-in-reference-bookshelf-speakers-pair/1.html

A subjective review here.
http://www.cnet.com/news/teac-ls-h265-the-little-speaker-that-could/

Now if you are able to expand soon in the future - and you plan to timbre (voice tone)
match around the center speaker - then look at HTD Level Three

The center
http://www.htd.com/Products/level-three-speakers/Level-THREE-Center-Channel-Speaker

The bookshelf
http://www.htd.com/Products/level-three-speakers/Level-THREE-Bookshelf-Speakers

Also, Infinity P351 center
http://www.amazon.com/Infinity-Primus-PC351-Three-way-Center-Channel/dp/B0044D1788/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1399821936&sr=8-4&keywords=jbl+center+channels

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-ZZWVi47BVse/p_108PC351BK/Infinity-Primus-PC351.html

The bookshelf P163
http://www.amazon.com/Infinity-Primus-Two-way-Bookshelf-Satellite/dp/B0045NCB32/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1399821998&sr=8-1&keywords=infinity+p163

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Hmmmm interesting, thanks ZEIG.

So now I think I'm between the pioneer c22 or the Polk CS10. (?) was almost talked into the Difinitive Technology procenter 1000 for $200 but thought I'd research it some more... What do you guys think?
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Hmmmm interesting, thanks ZEIG.

So now I think I'm between the pioneer c22 or the Polk CS10. (?) was almost talked into the Difinitive Technology procenter 1000 for $200 but thought I'd research it some more... What do you guys think?

Go with the one you'll be comfortable with buying the matching left and right later on. It will really will make your whole front soundstage sound better, and that leaves you the best future upgrade option.

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In cheap speakers, i would consider strongly a ribbon tweeter based speaker. Very clear "airy" highs.

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BIC DVCLR 62, absolutely great sounding center... it is HUGE though, 7+ H x 20+ L x 10+ D

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I am also researching center speakers to possibly replace my less-than-adequate Sony center channel. I have the Sony SS-CN5000 center channel. I also have the Sony SS-B3000 "bookshelf" speakers as mains and the B1000 bookshelf speakers as surrounds. I am very happy with the performance (based on what I paid) of the mains and surrounds, but the center seems like it underperforms to me. I'm looking for something more robust.

Sony has released a new line of speakers, but I'm afraid to check out the new Sony speaker in case I get the same problems. I'm looking for something a bit more efficient (above 90db) and that can provide clear and audible dialogue with authority. It doesn't have to play super low...I would like to cross over at about 80-100hz. My mains can handle anything below that (and I will be getting a sub soon anyway) but yeah, very clear and precise mid-range is what I'm looking for.

Does anyone have an experience with Center speakers with multiple mid-woofers (more than two) such as the Cerwin Vega SL-45C ( http://www.amazon.com/Cerwin-Vega-SL45C-Quad-Speaker/dp/B00J8SN3D6/ref=sr_1_23?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1401576249&sr=1-23&keywords=Center+channel+speakers )

The Yamaha NS-310BL ( http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-NS-C310BL-Bass-Reflex-Center-Speaker/dp/B001PZ674C/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1401576249&sr=1-5&keywords=Center+channel+speakers )

or the Infinity Primus PC351 ( http://www.amazon.com/Infinity-Primus-PC351-Three-way-Center-Channel/dp/B0044D1788/ref=sr_1_8?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1401576249&sr=1-8&keywords=Center+channel+speakers )

I'm wondering if the addition of more woofer cones enhances the mid-range in these centers compared to others with only 2 woofers.

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A horn loaded center channel or in general horn loaded cinema speakers are a great choice in general for high efficiency applications at a good price point.

There is a reason why almost all commercial theaters go with horn loaded systems...

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A horn loaded center channel or in general horn loaded cinema speakers are a great choice in general for high efficiency applications at a good price point.

There is a reason why almost all commercial theaters go with horn loaded systems...

I was afraid of this.

I'm not ready to upgrade my entire package yet. The other speakers in my system are dome tweeters, so my center will have to be a dome tweeter as well. I understand that having mix-matched brands can create a slight difference in the tonal characteristics of the speakers. Completely changing the type of tweeter is likely to have a much bigger impact in that area.

However when I am ready to upgrade all of my speakers, I am seriously considering going to horn tweeters for this reason (efficiency)

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Just posted a thread today myself.... I'm looking at upgrading across my entire front side for speakers L/R/C

Looking at a $1000 budget, considering the Cerwin Vegas XLS-12 L/R and either the SL-45C or the XLS-6C for the center.... Still can't come to terms on it... But I think I'm going to pull the trigger on something one way or another tonight or tomorrow.
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Just posted a thread today myself.... I'm looking at upgrading across my entire front side for speakers L/R/C

Looking at a $1000 budget, considering the Cerwin Vegas XLS-12 L/R and either the SL-45C or the XLS-6C for the center.... Still can't come to terms on it... But I think I'm going to pull the trigger on something one way or another tonight or tomorrow.
That looks like a very reasonable configuration for the price. At least partially horn loaded designs will give you the dynamic range you want while EQ such as Audyssey's EQ curve should take care of any harshness in the overall response.

I'm not sure about the overall benefits and quality of cerwin vega over any other brands in that range.

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A horn loaded center channel or in general horn loaded cinema speakers are a great choice in general for high efficiency applications at a good price point.

There is a reason why almost all commercial theaters go with horn loaded systems...


I was afraid of this.

I'm not ready to upgrade my entire package yet. The other speakers in my system are dome tweeters, so my center will have to be a dome tweeter as well. I understand that having mix-matched brands can create a slight difference in the tonal characteristics of the speakers. Completely changing the type of tweeter is likely to have a much bigger impact in that area.

However when I am ready to upgrade all of my speakers, I am seriously considering going to horn tweeters for this reason (efficiency)
Actually the midrange and low bass regions really can benefit from good horn loaded design as well. I am obviously a lover of this sound since I own some of the "highest end" horn speakers on the market. So my opinion on this will be very much biased. If you heard my final setup, you would be biased too

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If you want speakers that can really cut through the clutter and have a strong presence in the voice/mid+high range, the horn loaded Center and Front are worth considering.

But, they are not exactly giving these away -

Klipsch Reference 52 II ($296/each) -


http://www.crutchfield.com/p_714RC52...-RC-52-II.html

Klipsch Reference 62 II ($399/each) -


http://www.crutchfield.com/p_714RC62...II-Cherry.html

Here, if you scroll down, you can see the entire Klipsch Reference II series line up -

http://www.klipsch.com/reference-ii-...heater-systems

The Infinity Primus PC351 is a good center in its price range but it is BIG. Make sure you can handle the size.

Infinity Primus PC351 ($199/each) -

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_108PC35...mus-PC351.html

I think we need to know specifically what Sony Center you have now, and we need to know the rest of your system. That will lend perspective to our recommendations.

In the short term, there is nothing wrong with a mismatch between the Front and Center. But in the longer run, you are going to want them Tonally matched. So, whatever decision you make now on the Center, somewhat dictates that that is the direction you go in the future. For example, if you buy the Klipsch Reference Center, that implies when you buy new front, they will also be Klipsch Reference speakers.

Unless you want to consider this new Center speaker a throw-away. Use for now, and ditch it later when you replace the Front Three (left/center/right). Though best to make a decision now that directs your choice in the future, so you aren't wasting money.

So, as well as the equipment you are using now, we need some sense of where it is you intend to go in the future. The nature of the system for the future and how it will be used. Some of the suggested speakers are very big. That would be fine in a larger home cinema room, but a bit overwhelming in the average living room, especially if you are married.

So, we need to understand both short term and long term goals including your budget.

Keeping in mind, the choice you make now, somewhat dictates the choice you will have to make later.

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