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speaker cable brands!

Looking to buy 12 awg's for my 5.1 system
I don't want to buy monster brand cables since they are over priced imo.
I want to buy cables that will sustain future upgrades, along the lines of blue jeans. . Heard that monoprice is great but abit too cheap (??)
Also I live outside the states in Europe so I buy my stuff from ebay just fyi.
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First, why 12ga? Use this to find out what you actually need:
http://www.bcae1.com/images/swfs/spe...rassistant.swf

Any pure copper wire will do. Electrons aren't fussy about the wire brand.
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Monoprice is FANTASTIC! Its the only place I buy cables for myself and family. I bought 300 ft of 14 gauge wire for $80.
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I ran "great but too cheap" through my Acme Logic Calculator, and it loudly disappeared in a flash of blinding violet light.
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First, why 12ga? Use this to find out what you actually need:
http://www.bcae1.com/images/swfs/spe...rassistant.swf

Any pure copper wire will do. Electrons aren't fussy about the wire brand.
Link doesnt work. Reason I wanted 12g is for future high end gear. . Not smart?
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High-end speakers will only require thicker cable if their impedance is lower, which isn't usually correlated with speaker quality. There's no downside to using 12 AWG if you only need 14 AWG, other then it may be more difficult to hide. I use it!
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Link doesnt work. Reason I wanted 12g is for future high end gear.
It works for me. Higher end gear doesn't necessary need higher gauge wire. Sellers of wire would like you to think that you need not only higher gauge but also higher quality, even though there's no such thing.

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It works for me. Higher end gear doesn't necessary need higher gauge wire. Sellers of wire would like you to think that you need not only higher gauge but also higher quality, even though there's no such thing.
So how would these do for me?
http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/speaker/index.htm?PHPSESSID=fcf3a493c642973a4819eecfef282b c3

Takin bout 12 awg white.
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They will work exactly like 14ga lamp wire that costs pennies per foot by the spool.
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I have some Belden 5T00UP in my system and there is nothing wrong with it, but like ermghoti says, it is just very nice lamp wire. I assume the 5000UE is similar. The locking bananas Blue Jean's sell are also good quality. Not WBT though, but I like audio jewelry
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Sorry...But I find Blue Jeans to be over-priced myself. Check out Sewell "Silverback" speaker cables here:

http://sewelldirect.com/Silverback-S...Terminated.asp

12 AWG, plus sizes from 3'-50' Wonderful speaker cable & I'm using it with many systems in our home & not a rip-off price. I'm using it with NHT ST4 towers, PSB B4's & PSB B6's & my beloved Boston Acoustic's M25 bookshelf speakers. These are terminated & ready to go out of the package. They sound great! It's a win-win IMHO.

PS: I buy many cables (close to all) from Monoprice, just not their speaker wire. Just my 2 cents worth.

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More expensive than monoprice... I had the impression that you were going the other way.

I use 12 AWG monoprice wires.

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Sorry...But I find Blue Jeans to be over-priced myself. Check out Sewell "Silverback" speaker cables here:

http://sewelldirect.com/Silverback-S...Terminated.asp

12 AWG, plus sizes from 3'-50' Wonderful speaker cable & I'm using it with many systems in our home & not a rip-off price. I'm using it with NHT ST4 towers, PSB B4's & PSB B6's & my beloved Boston Acoustic's M25 bookshelf speakers. These are terminated & ready to go out of the package. They sound great! It's a win-win IMHO.

PS: I buy many cables (close to all) from Monoprice, just not their speaker wire. Just my 2 cents worth.

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All you need to worry about is if its pure copper or not. Brands mean squat and only drive the price up. 12 AWG is overkill by all means, unless you are running 100+ ft of cables.

Seriously, wires are the LAST component in any system you should be droppin duckets on.
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More expensive than monoprice... I had the impression that you were going the other way.

I use 12 AWG monoprice wires.
PSG: So be it. I find that Sewell's speaker wire is great for the money. If you're in "love" with Monoprice cable, then good for you. Do I love most of Monprice's product? You bet. I just like Sewell's better when it comes to speakers cable. Wonderful speaker cable & ready to go when it arrives @ your door. BTW...Sewell's posts are top-notch!
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I've used lots of monoprice speaker and it works fine, but I just ran into an issue with a short in one of the wires. It's in the wall so can't see what the problem is, but not all speaker wire is the same. They all contain copper (And maybe some aluminum), but the sleeve quality may vary.
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I've used lots of monoprice speaker and it works fine, but I just ran into an issue with a short in one of the wires. It's in the wall so can't see what the problem is, but not all speaker wire is the same. They all contain copper (And maybe some aluminum), but the sleeve quality may vary.
There are a lot of things that can happen to speaker cable that no brand's product can resist. For example, those nasty dry wall screws.

However most cable failures relate to termination. That's another thing that no brand's product can resist.
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So are any of these good enough for my system?
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So are any of these good enough for my system?
Are they of adequate gauge? Are the conductors pure copper? If they are then they will deliver as good a result as anything else, no matter what your system consists of.

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So are any of these good enough for my system?
Probably both plenty good enough for a typical high quality home audio system if they meet their published specs.

Please note that 12 gauge wire has 3.31 square mm cross sectional copper area, while this cable is speced at 3.0 square mm, or about 10% undersized. That is probably why they say that these are for audio purposes only. Shouldn't noticeably affect sound quality.
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Probably both plenty good enough for a typical high quality home audio system if they meet their published specs.

Please note that 12 gauge wire has 3.31 square mm cross sectional copper area, while this cable is speced at 3.0 square mm, or about 10% undersized. That is probably why they say that these are for audio purposes only. Shouldn't noticeably affect sound quality.
What's the purpose of the 12awg then. Resistance doesn't effect sound quality for decent ht system?
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Will any of your wire runs come close to AC power? Zip-type wire will not provide any protection from induced AC hum.
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Will any of your wire runs come close to AC power? Zip-type wire will not provide any protection from induced AC hum.
Speaker cables are not subject to induced AC hum except in severe cases of extremely poor installation practice, for instance, when an entire long cable cable run is literally touching an AC supply wire. Some cable manufacturers claim that their cables have protection against induced AC hum, but if they do it's a prescribed cure for a disease that doesn't exist.

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Agreed, and speaker wire is not shielded, so why would zip-type wire be any more susceptible to hum?
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Agreed, and speaker wire is not shielded, so why would zip-type wire be any more susceptible to hum?
It wouldn't be. Hum is mainly an issue for low voltage connections that are yet to be amplified. For speaker connections, that are coming downstream from the amplifier, it's very unlikely to be an issue.
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Agreed, and speaker wire is not shielded, so why would zip-type wire be any more susceptible to hum?
Some speaker wires are shielded. They shouldn't be, as that results in higher capacitance, which can roll off high frequency response. Sellers of shielded speaker cables are not only promoting snake oil, it's snake oil that can degrade the sound of your system.

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What's the purpose of the 12 AWG then. Resistance doesn't effect sound quality for decent ht system?
The difference in resistance is about 10%. For audio, no big deal.
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