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Upgrade time!

I apologize in advance if this is a "tl;dr" post.

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Looking to upgrade my Klipsch KB-15 Bookshelf speakers to floorstanding. I have a budget of around $750/ea or $1500/pr. The only place I can really demo anything around here would be a Best Buy Magnolia store. I use my entertainment system for 60% television (TWC), 35% blu-ray, 5% music. Some of the speakers I've been researching in my price range are the Polk RTi A9, B&W 683 and Warfdale Diamond 10.7. I will not be able to demo the Warfdales. I do not make a lot of money, and it takes me a while to save for things so I'm not exactly sure where I should start upgrading. The system can get loud, but there is no real clarity/depth/detail to anything. Should I start by getting another receiver? Should I start with another subwoofer? I feel that the most noticeable difference would be getting towers, or possibly a new sub (checking out the SVS PB-2000). My living room/dining area/kitchen are kind of all one, big open area and I have high ceilings (15ft). The living room is crowded so I would not be very flexible on speaker/subwoofer placement. Just looking for some guidance. Thanks for any help in advance.
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You could save a lot of money buying used speakers.

For example I recently sold my Klipsch KG 5.5 mains, KLF-C7 center for 600, which was what I paid for them when I had bought them used off of Craigslist. Those speakers made for a formidable front stage. Combine something like that with an SVS sub (what I did), and you'll have a nice system for a little over 1K total.

 
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I've considered buying used but there are no guarantees or a warranty with used speakers. I don't like the idea of not truly knowing how the previous owner treated them.
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I've considered buying used but there are no guarantees or a warranty with used speakers. I don't like the idea of not truly knowing how the previous owner treated them.
I don't buy used electronics for same reason. But at least with used speakers you can demo them before you buy, so if they look good and sound good then the risk is minimal, and savings substantial.
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Would I notice a huge difference between the B&W 683 floorstanding and the matching HTM61 center channel, as opposed to my current Klipsch front stage setup? I would still be using the Yamaha RX-V575 AVR and the Klipsch SW-350 subwoofer.

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B & W is an option

I would prefer something like the JBL Studio 580 towers
http://www.amazon.com/JBL-Studio-580...jbl+studio+580

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B & W is an option

I would prefer something like the JBL Studio 580 towers
http://www.amazon.com/JBL-Studio-580...jbl+studio+580
What makes you prefer the JBL Studio 580 towers over the B&W 683 speakers?

Edit: I have nowhere near me to demo those JBL speakers sadly

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What makes you prefer the JBL Studio 580 towers over the B&W 683 speakers?

Edit: I have nowhere near me to demo those JBL speakers sadly
I am not a big B&W fan - however they may rock your world

The Studio 5 series is a good one - more than one person has preferred the Studio 5
sound signature over B&W

However no one can guarantee or speak for your ears - enjoy the adventure!

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I am not a big B&W fan - however they may rock your world

The Studio 5 series is a good one - more than one person has preferred the Studio 5
sound signature over B&W

However no one can guarantee or speak for your ears - enjoy the adventure!
I wish a business here in Austin had them available to listen to.
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Just read that the JBL Studio 580 needs a good bit of room behind it due to the rear bass port. I don't really have the room to be picky about placement so maybe I'll focus more on listening to the B&W 683 and Polk RTi A9. Is there is any other speaker in my price range that would be better than the two I just listed that Best Buy Magnolia would carry?

Keep in mind I'm coming from the lowest quality Klipsch bookshelf speakers. I really think anything will probably sound better.

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The big difference here is going from horns to a soft dome tweeter. Horn-loaded speakers like Klipsch are generally characterized as being "bright", meaning the higher frequencies are more exaggerated which can be fatiguing to some people. B&W has a much more neutral laid back sound, and you will need to listen to both to decide which avenue you prefer. If you like the bright sound, consider some nicer Klipsch speakers like the Reference Series. If you do like B&W, then we can offer some other similar sounding speakers to consider, that might offer better value.

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Keep in mind I'm coming from the lowest quality Klipsch bookshelf speakers. I really think anything will probably sound better.
That is true

Another option for your limitations, would be a front ported option from Focal - they are also nice

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The big difference here is going from horns to a soft dome tweeter. Horn-loaded speakers like Klipsch are generally characterized as being "bright", meaning the higher frequencies are more exaggerated which can be fatiguing to some people. B&W has a much more neutral laid back sound, and you will need to listen to both to decide which avenue you prefer. If you like the bright sound, consider some nicer Klipsch speakers like the Reference Series. If you do like B&W, then we can offer some other similar sounding speakers to consider, that might offer better value.
I've pretty much decided I'm just going to get whatever sounds the best at the Best Buy Magnolia here in North Austin. I really don't want to spend this kind of money on something I can't hear first, and I prefer (for peace of mind) buying brand new. The only speakers in my price range (that the Magnolia carries) are the B&W 683 and the Martin Logan Motion 20. I could go cheaper, but these are at the top of my price range. I've read that the Martin Logan Motion 20s are better suited for music, but I'll wait until I can hear them first. The Polk Audio RTi A9s were on my radar for a while as well. As stated above, I currently have the Yamaha RX-V575. It isn't the best receiver out there. If I get the new floorstanding/center speakers, I'll likely be picking up a Denon AVR-X4000 or Pioneer Elite SC-72. I could get one of those receivers, OR I could keep my current Yamaha and get an Emotiva XPA-3 to drive the front stage. Opinions for my broke ass??? I just want great sound quality I'll never have a $10k system, but I feel I deserve nice quality products and sound. As soon as I get the floorstanding/center/power situation figured out, the SVS PB-2000 will be replacing my crappy Klipsch SW-350.
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The 683 is a good speaker, go have a listen and see what you like the most. I think your Yamaha is perfectly fine to drive whatever you need, and the only thing a discrete amp will help with is if you need more volume. I would wager in an average living room, the 90dB sensitivity on the 683s will make them louder than you care to listen to. Save your money and put it towards a second sub, which will make a bigger difference in sound.

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I see that Magnolia carries the DT BP-8040ST as well, which is still in the max of my upper price range. Bipolar speakers need a large, open room for the best sound correct? I don't really have the space to be picky about where to put my speakers.
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The 683 is a good speaker, go have a listen and see what you like the most. I think your Yamaha is perfectly fine to drive whatever you need, and the only thing a discrete amp will help with is if you need more volume. I would wager in an average living room, the 90dB sensitivity on the 683s will make them louder than you care to listen to. Save your money and put it towards a second sub, which will make a bigger difference in sound.
0.o So you're giving me permission to order my SVS-PB2000???? I've heard they're amazing. I wonder how much more amazing it is than my Klipsch SW-350.
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The living room/entry/dining area/kitchen are all one big open area. I'm debating moving the TV and everything back to the big wall. The ceilings are 14-15ft. Do you think I should go bookshelf? I think an open area that size I need a larger speaker and a bigger sub for sure.


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So if I were to purchase the B&W 683 pair and the HTM61 center, would they be a massive step up from my Klipsch KB-15 bookshelfs and KC-15 center? Also, would the PB-2000 work well with the B&W setup, and would it be noticeably better than the Klipsch SW-350???
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So if I were to purchase the B&W 683 pair and the HTM61 center, would they be a massive step up from my Klipsch KB-15 bookshelfs and KC-15 center? Also, would the PB-2000 work well with the B&W setup, and would it be noticeably better than the Klipsch SW-350???
You are using an 8 inch small subwoofer.

It will/should be a nice upgrade for you - unless your ears are filled with wax

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I can "hear" the Klipsch fine, I just don't feel it much. I want that "punch in the chest" like SVS states the PB-2000 can offer.
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I can "hear" the Klipsch fine, I just don't feel it much. I want that "punch in the chest" like SVS states the PB-2000 can offer.
I was also talking about the B&W compared to your KB-15

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Yes the B&W should be a nice step up in sound quality, and the PB-2000 will rock the house

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If you go bookshelves take a look at the DefTech Studio Monitors, which are available at BB Magnolia. If you like them you can get them from deftech's "unofficial" refurb seller. Lots of us deftech guys on here have bought our gear from that seller with zero problems. You'll save about 40-50% off retail. Use the rest of your money to upgrade the sub. Check the deftech threads for more info.
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If you go bookshelves take a look at the DefTech Studio Monitors, which are available at BB Magnolia. If you like them you can get them from deftech's "unofficial" refurb seller. Lots of us deftech guys on here have bought our gear from that seller with zero problems. You'll save about 40-50% off retail. Use the rest of your money to upgrade the sub. Check the deftech threads for more info.
Thank you for that information. I'll check it out today when I demo the B&W 683's. What are the advantages/disadvantages of going Bookshelf > Floorstanding????

Also, would bookshelves be a better match for my home than floorstanders? I posted a picture above showing how big the room is, and explained that it is all open. My current Klipsch bookshelves get pretty loud; nowhere near reference level before I have to stop turning the volume up. I do enjoy music, but I just don't listen to it enough to justify getting floorstanders solely for that purpose.

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Several. But there are disadvantages going floorstander too, ie too big for the room, too much bass response.

Personally if you have a large room, and a higher budget, I'd go floorstander.
For a smaller room, and with a lower budget, I'd go floorstander.

Whether or not 2 channel music is a priority that would effect your decision too.

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I can "hear" the Klipsch fine, I just don't feel it much. I want that "punch in the chest" like SVS states the PB-2000 can offer.
If you like the sound of your Klipsch KB-15's and KC-25, why not just upgrade your subwoofer with the budget?
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Several. But there are disadvantages going floorstander too, ie too big for the room, too much bass response.

Personally if you have a large room, and a higher budget, I'd go floorstander.
For a smaller room, and with a lower budget, I'd go floorstander.

Whether or not 2 channel music is a priority that would effect your decision too.

I own bookshelf, standmounts and floorstanders.
My budget is around $1500. That's strictly for new bookshelf/floorstanding speakers. I have pictures above- if you wouldn't mind scrolling up and checking them out, would you think that room needs floorstanding speakers? Like I said, my crappy Klipsch bookshelf get louder than I want them to get way before reference level.
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If you like the sound of your Klipsch KB-15's and KC-25, why not just upgrade your subwoofer with the budget?
Haha, I don't necessarily "like" the sound of the Klipsch. They get loud, but that's about it. There is no detail/clarity/depth to anything. This is why I'd like to replace them.
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The big difference here is going from horns to a soft dome tweeter. Horn-loaded speakers like Klipsch are generally characterized as being "bright", meaning the higher frequencies are more exaggerated which can be fatiguing to some people. B&W has a much more neutral laid back sound, and you will need to listen to both to decide which avenue you prefer. If you like the bright sound, consider some nicer Klipsch speakers like the Reference Series. If you do like B&W, then we can offer some other similar sounding speakers to consider, that might offer better value.
You can also get metal dome tweeters that aren't harsh. My pair of Celestion A1 are far less harsh and splashy than another pair with soft dome speakers.

Kef, NHT are another couple of brands.

Don't discount used either, I picked up a pair of $1500 standmounts for $200 (totally minty mint)

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Haha, I don't necessarily "like" the sound of the Klipsch. They get loud, but that's about it. There is no detail/clarity/depth to anything. This is why I'd like to replace them.
Then listen at the speakers at Best Buy and buy what your ears tell you to get. I personally like Polks but I never had any complaints about the B&W's or larger Def Techs
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