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JBL Pro Audio or JTR Noesis 228 HT

I just bought a house and I’m building my second Home Theater. I’m trying to decide to go with JBL pro audio set up or JTR Noesis 228 HT for my 7.2 set up. The room is 22 feet by 29 feet with 8 foot ceilings. The room will have various sound treatments threw out the room. I’m going to have a 140 in acoustically transparent screen. I will probably go with the Anthem 510 and use it as a pre amp. I have 500 watts across the LCR and 150 watts for the rears.
Option 1
3 JBL 4722n’s, 4 JBL 3677 for surrounds,2 JBL 4645c with 1 Crown XLS 2500 amp.

Option 2
3 JTR Noesis 228 HT, 4 Slanted 8’s, and 1 Captivator 2400.

This is a hard decision since both packages are virtually the same cost. I haven’t heard either one and living in Tampa there is no opportunity to hear such a set up. Any one that can help me decide would be greatly appreciated.
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I have 3677 as LCR and 8320x4 for surrounds. 16x15 main room, with and extra 11ft behind the 2 of the four total seats. (L shaped room). We sit about 11 ft from the speakers.

Ditch the jbl subs if they don't extend into single digits. Get one sub per cabinet for smooth response ability.

Between jtr and jbl? From what i read jtrs would be better if you also listen to music. If you're mostly home theater and music is a far second, no critical listening etc, without a doubt get the JBLs. The jtrs go higher, the jbls have the high freq. roll off in xover. Xcurve.

Full Spectrum (talk to zach) will hook you up for less than advertised price. You might not even NEED anything more than a 3677 for mains. They get loud! Want and need are two different things though. Haha.

My Pioneer avr powers my mains to reference without issue, and, I sometimes forget my subs are off. The 3677 have mid base slam that will leave you breathless.

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I would say get the JTR 228HT's but go with something else for surrounds, as much as I LOVE my 228HT's there's no way I could stomach dropping 4 grand on four surrounds. You have a pretty big room but I also think you'd be better off looking at dual Rythmik FV15HP's over a single Cap 2400. You could also look at DIY flat pack kits for your surrounds and subs to save some pretty good money.


You could also take a look at getting JBL 8340A's to use as surrounds to go with the 228HT's, they can easily be had for $1000per pair. I think you could get them for even cheaper actually.
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I love overkill as much as the next AVSer but there is no way that you need 3677s for surrounds in a 5000 cubic foot room. The 8340As mentioned are compression horns with 96db sensitivity and you can buy 4 of them for $1000-1200. The other alternative is the Klipsch pro cinema surrounds that are around $300-500 a piece, 96-98db sensitivity and even come in bipole configurations.
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I love this thinking! The JTR's will have a more live sound with more highs. The JBL's will have a bigger sound stage and much more midbass. For music I would get the JTR's but for movies I would get the JBL's. If space is a concern JTR's. Ditch the JBL subs though and get the JTR sub. Better yet, get marty subs with UXL-18's and save even more!
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+1 for the UXLs, if they are available. Also Fi sp4s are turning out to be great drivers, though they do need a bit more power.
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I am voting for JBL. Accurate reference dynamic sound.
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And JTR's aren't?
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And JTR's aren't?
I only like to speak for what I would choose for myself.

I don't like to speak against any company.

IOW, I am speaking for JBL. But at the same time, I am not speaking against JTR or any other company.

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They will both give accurate sound, but different. Both will be dynamic as well. I measured my 888lp's and they were flat. My DR's are all over the place near field but they were designed for sensitivity with EQ involved.
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I only like to speak for what I would choose for myself.

I don't like to speak against any company.

IOW, I am speaking for JBL. But at the same time, I am not speaking against JTR or any other company.


I like to respond to threads like (speaker A vs. speaker B) this when I have heard BOTH speakers that the OP is asking about.

Have you heard any of the JTR speakers before?
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I like to respond to threads like (speaker A vs. speaker B) this when I have heard BOTH speakers that the OP is asking about.

Have you heard any of the JTR speakers before?
Yes. I have heard the JTR Triple 8.

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Exactly...In this corner....JTR........and this corner......the rest... Ding. Ding.
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Exactly...In this corner....JTR........and this corner......the rest... Ding. Ding.


Haha, seriously? My last reply is the closest I get to "arguing" on the forum. Carry on.
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How many theaters on the planet use JTR speakers compared to JBL ?

You said you're building a home theater right?
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I'd go with JBL pro speakers simply because I can find measurements of them.

I see the JBL 8340a recommended as surrounds for higher end HTs quite a lot, which is curious because it seems to have some very real off axis misbehavior and, owing to its 10 inch driver, a narrow horizontal dispersion pattern. Neither of these are desirable characteristics in a surround speaker.

That said, I'm a big fan of many other JBL pro speakers and I commend them for publishing the data on it. I've never seen any anechoic or even gated measurements of JTR speakers.

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I'd go with JBL pro speakers simply because I can find measurements of them.

I see the JBL 8340a recommended as surrounds for higher end HTs quite a lot, which is curious because it seems to have some very real off axis misbehavior and, owing to its 10 inch driver, a narrow horizontal dispersion pattern. Neither of these are desirable characteristics in a surround speaker.

That said, I'm a big fan of many other JBL pro speakers and I commend them for publishing the data on it. I've never seen any anechoic or even gated measurements of JTR speakers.
As far as measurements go, I am not one who puts much weight, if any, into them. Others might, and I get that. That said, I have yet to read ANY speaker GTG on here (and I tend to read most of them) that had anything negative to say about JTR speakers. In fact, they generally score at or near the top and if they dont "win" they are a short and curly away from being the winner.
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Yes. I have heard the JTR Triple 8.

But there is no reason to debate which speaker is "better" because it comes down to preference.

I am just giving my opinion as to which one I would buy......If that is okay with the OP.

I don't know why this has to turn into another JTR defending battle.

I think it is normal to voice opinions without being challenged by JTR fans.

BTW, I don't own any JBL speakers. I have heard many JBL speakers. Even their cheap $200 pro cab speakers sound pretty good.
Your problem is you haven't owned enough speakers:-)
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Some have been know to say that JTR's sound like a screaming cat, all while never actually hearing any of the new Noesis line though. So go figure right.
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This theater will be 90% movies and 10% music. I wanted to use the JBL 3677 for the surround channels because it seems like movie producers are making the surround channels a larger part of the audio production.
I would like to hear all of the information and crystal clear. Space is not a problem.
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Well 22 years building Hollywood dubbing stages, DVD authoring rooms, lot & producer/director screening rooms/theaters. All we ever used was JBL.

22 years working in pro post production sound studios.
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You may just be on to something here.

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JTR speakers sound great. The group of guys said that my speakers were harsh too even though thy were not set up right so if a guy says a speaker sounds like a screaming cat and not set up right just take it as is. The JTR's I have owned were never harsh. They were crystal clear, detailed, and dynamic. Compared to my JBL pro's had better highs and a better live sound but that was it. The JBL pro speakers are enormous and put out the biggest sound I have heard with the biggest mid bass. The yorkville comes real close but I would have to have them in the same room for a conclusion on that.
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Oh, which puts my vote on the U215's which would have more mid bass, bigger sound stage, and have that live sound with the synergy highs and mid range, the bridging of the gap speaker so to speak. I am assuming the double 8's would have the same mid bass and size of sound but the noesis horn and CD adding that live and clarity sound the Yorks have. Just an estimated guess.
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As far as measurements go, I am not one who puts much weight, if any, into them. Others might, and I get that. That said, I have yet to read ANY speaker GTG on here (and I tend to read most of them) that had anything negative to say about JTR speakers. In fact, they generally score at or near the top and if they dont "win" they are a short and curly away from being the winner.
I'm the opposite. I put little weight on other people's evaluations because of our hearing's susceptibility to bias. Measurement is constant. The key is knowing what measurements are important.

I'm not saying JTR's are bad; I just don't think there is enough information. There is enough information to say there are many excellent JBL pro speakers.
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Don't forget that the choice of AVR will determine the 'reference' curve to a point. Some you will be able to change more than others. Unless, that is, you plan on just turning off the EQ/room correction.

I don't think you can go wrong with either. If you like the sound of JBL, and buy JTR you can EQ the highs down to an x-curve, or maybe your receiver can do that too.

Point is a lot of the difference seems to be in the xover design. You will miss out on the 15" driver of the JBL. And, it slams.

I read for 3 months every day all day and I chose JBL for their overall value, sound, and theater reference ability. I listen to very little music and when I do it's not critical so......

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This theater will be 90% movies and 10% music. I wanted to use the JBL 3677 for the surround channels because it seems like movie producers are making the surround channels a larger part of the audio production.
I would like to hear all of the information and crystal clear. Space is not a problem.
THANKS
If you check out all the Dolby cinema installations, majority uses 8340A or 8350 for surrounds and overhead speakers. If these smaller JBLs work in big cinemas, I guess these will work wonder in our houses too.

As far as I know, only IMAX uses big surround speakers, but only two per setup.

There's nothing wrong in getting 3677 for surrounds though.
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If the sound quality is the same ( the 3677 compared to the 8340A or 8350 ) I would love to save the money.
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Imax is the best sounding commercial theater I have heard so maybe they are on to something. The 3677 will sound better and not by a little than the 8340a.
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