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knlmwq 07-09-2014 03:44 PM

Critique my entry speakers! (advice welcome)
 
Ok so this is what I have purchased:
-Sony STR-DH550 $228
-Pioneer SP-FS52 front speakers $43.99(each)
-Pioneer SP-C22 center speaker $67.99
-Sony SA-WM500 subwoofer 12" 150watt $45(used)


Total price is $440.67 after tax


I am wondering if I should switch any pieces out while I still have time. I have a 45 day return period except on the subwoofer since I bought that used.


I was wondering if it would have been better for me to buy the Pioneer SP-BS22 bookshelf speakers at $40 each over the Pioneer SP-FS52 floor speakers.


Any tips? Good, bad, horrible? I am not willing to spend much more over the $440.67 total but I will budge a little if I will notice a reasonable difference.


Thanks

zieglj01 07-09-2014 03:48 PM

The only thing I do not like, is what you can not return - the subwoofer.

knlmwq 07-09-2014 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by zieglj01 (Post 25616225)
The only thing I do not like, is what you can not return - the subwoofer.


What would you get as a substitute? Im not above putting the sony subwoofer on craigslist to try and get some of the $45 back

zieglj01 07-09-2014 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by knlmwq (Post 25616697)
What would you get as a substitute? Im not above putting the sony subwoofer on craigslist to try and get some of the $45
back

Depends on what you can do - if you can swing it, then the NXG
http://www.amazon.com/NXG-Technology...=nxg+subwoofer

If you can not afford it - a lot of people seem to be happy with the Dayton 12 inch sub.
http://www.parts-express.com/dayton-...oofer--300-629

knlmwq 07-09-2014 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by zieglj01 (Post 25617489)
Depends on what you can do - if you can swing it, then the NXG
http://www.amazon.com/NXG-Technology...=nxg+subwoofer

If you can not afford it - a lot of people seem to be happy with the Dayton 12 inch sub.
http://www.parts-express.com/dayton-...oofer--300-629


Yea that's more than I want to spend at the moment. I am in an apartment so maybe the sony I have will be good enough for right now

PinkFloydQ 07-09-2014 05:42 PM

Where did u get the Floorstanders

knlmwq 07-09-2014 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by PinkFloydQ (Post 25618777)
Where did u get the Floorstanders

I priced match Walmart.com to bestbuy. Walmart has them listed at $86.99 for a PAIR. Not sure if that was a mistake or not but bestbuy price matched it. They were normally $129(each) at bestbuy.


http://www.walmart.com/ip/Pioneer-SP...-Pair/24491103

charmerci 07-09-2014 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by knlmwq (Post 25621553)
I priced match Walmart.com to bestbuy. Walmart has them listed at $86.99 for a PAIR. Not sure if that was a mistake or not but bestbuy price matched it. They were normally $129(each) at bestbuy.


http://www.walmart.com/ip/Pioneer-SP...-Pair/24491103

Great catch. Don't think we''ll see that anymore. Out of stock....at that price most likely!:rolleyes:

BuddTX 07-10-2014 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by knlmwq (Post 25616081)
I was wondering if it would have been better for me to buy the Pioneer SP-BS22 bookshelf speakers at $40 each over the Pioneer SP-FS52 floor speakers.


If you have the room, keep the Pioneer SP-FS52's.


I think the Andrew Jones designed Pioneer speakers are AWESOME for the price.


I only wish that, as a young (poor) audiophile in high school, I would have had speakers available to me with this quality and great price!

mtn-tech 07-10-2014 02:27 AM

Great system for a true budget price. I also think you should keep the floorstanding towers for the front - they will help fill in the mid-bass (between the subwoofer crossover frequency and the lowest frequencies that your other speakers can produce - like 80Hz to 150Hz) much better than the bookshelf speakers could.

Keep your eye on Craigslist and you might be able to "upgrade" that sub (sell the Sony) if you find a good used Velodyne, JBL, etc with a bigger woofer and more power.

Well done - how does it sound?

knlmwq 07-10-2014 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by mtn-tech (Post 25627297)
Great system for a true budget price. I also think you should keep the floorstanding towers for the front - they will help fill in the mid-bass (between the subwoofer crossover frequency and the lowest frequencies that your other speakers can produce - like 80Hz to 150Hz) much better than the bookshelf speakers could.

Keep your eye on Craigslist and you might be able to "upgrade" that sub (sell the Sony) if you find a good used Velodyne, JBL, etc with a bigger woofer and more power.

Well done - how does it sound?


Everything is here except the receiver. It is scheduled to be delivered today. I just need to go pick up some speaker wire and banana plugs. Hopefully I will be able to give an update later on this evening.

crazyrob425 07-10-2014 08:06 AM

That is a great place to start off with only thing that might not be perfect is the subwoofer.

(Removed as I was wrong). The Sony SA-WM500 a good place to start off with for a first system though it would be the first thing i think about upgrading.

Sony receivers get alot of hate but they really stepped their game up lately with all the features they pack into their receivers.

The best tip I give that many people over look is read the manual to the receiver cover to cover. It will make set-up a breeze and explain to you all the features.

knlmwq 07-10-2014 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by crazyrob425 (Post 25631241)
That is a great place to start off with only thing that might not be perfect is the subwoofer.

BTWs the Sony SA-WM500 is only 10". Its a good place to start off with for a first system though it would be the first thing i think about upgrading.

Sony receivers get alot of hate but they really stepped their game up lately with all the features they pack into their receivers.

The best tip I give that many people over look is read the manual to the receiver cover to cover. It will make set-up a breeze and explain to you all the features.


Are you sure the Sony SA-WM500 is only a 10"? These are the official specs when I look up the model on sony.com:


• Built-In Amplifier with 150W into 6 ohms from 20 Hz-200 Hz at 0.7% THD


• Bass Reflex Design


• 12" Driver


• Frequency Response 24-170Hz


• Line Output for Additional Subwoofer





crazyrob425 07-10-2014 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by knlmwq (Post 25639161)
Are you sure the Sony SA-WM500 is only a 10"? These are the official specs when I look up the model on sony.com:
• Built-In Amplifier with 150W into 6 ohms from 20 Hz-200 Hz at 0.7% THD
• Bass Reflex Design
• 12" Driver
• Frequency Response 24-170Hz
• Line Output for Additional Subwoofer


Yeah your right my bad I was only briefly looking at good results and they were showing a different model which is a 10"

Best of luck with your starter system. I would still plan on changing subwoofer in the future if you feel you need more bass.

zieglj01 07-10-2014 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by knlmwq (Post 25639161)
• 12" Driver

• Frequency Response 24-170Hz

While you will get some bass - do not hold your breath, waiting for something
like 24 hz to hit - however at least, you have a sub to start with.

mtn-tech 07-10-2014 01:49 PM

If you really want a critique and advise, give the AVS group a layout of your room (or better yet pictures) and your placement options and let them help with that - it makes more difference than most differences between gear, except maybe speakers.

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Originally Posted by zieglj01 (Post 25640361)
While you will get some bass - do not hold your breath, waiting for something
like 24 hz to hit - however at least, you have a sub to start with.

That is right - at least the bass management will be able to strip the low bass out of the surrounds and center and send it to the sub. If your AVR has separate crossover frequencies it will also be able to strip the very low bass out of your front towers and they will sound better for it.

knlmwq 07-10-2014 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mtn-tech (Post 25640873)
If you really want a critique and advise, give the AVS group a layout of your room (or better yet pictures) and your placement options and let them help with that - it makes more difference than most differences between gear, except maybe speakers.



That is right - at least the bass management will be able to strip the low bass out of the surrounds and center and send it to the sub. If your AVR has separate crossover frequencies it will also be able to strip the very low bass out of your front towers and they will sound better for it.


How can I find out if my AVR has separate crossover frequencies? I have the Sony STR-DH550

crazyrob425 07-10-2014 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by crazyrob425 (Post 25631241)
The best tip I give that many people over look is read the manual to the receiver cover to cover. It will make set-up a breeze and explain to you all the features.

Quote:

Originally Posted by knlmwq (Post 25641233)
How can I find out if my AVR has separate crossover frequencies? I have the Sony STR-DH550

Please see what I said above. Don't feel bad no one reads the manuals these days but they are very helpful and answer most questions people have. ;)

It does allow you to set different crossovers for fronts, center, and surrounds. Pg 128 of this guide/manual explains how to set crossovers
https://docs.sony.com/release/STR-DH...0_guide_en.pdf

Luisfc1972 07-10-2014 10:36 PM

not adding much here but WOW at getting those 52s at that price.

MarlinFan 07-11-2014 04:57 AM

+1. Way to go on the 52s!

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knlmwq 07-11-2014 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by crazyrob425 (Post 25642353)
Please see what I said above. Don't feel bad no one reads the manuals these days but they are very helpful and answer most questions people have. ;)

It does allow you to set different crossovers for fronts, center, and surrounds. Pg 128 of this guide/manual explains how to set crossovers
https://docs.sony.com/release/STR-DH...0_guide_en.pdf


Any suggestions for a crossover setting? Here is an early picture of my set up. I haven't taken the time to line the speakers up perfectly yet. I think my main issue is knowing where to position my sub. The couch on the left is pretty much blocking it. My room measures about 12x26 and I am sitting about 11 feet from my tv.


Overall the sound is nice. The center and front speakers are set to small. I do notice a drop in quality when I move away from the position that the AVR auto-calibrated for.

crazyrob425 07-11-2014 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by knlmwq (Post 25658705)
Any suggestions for a crossover setting? Here is an early picture of my set up. I haven't taken the time to line the speakers up perfectly yet. I think my main issue is knowing where to position my sub. The couch on the left is pretty much blocking it. My room measures about 12x26 and I am sitting about 11 feet from my tv.


Overall the sound is nice. The center and front speakers are set to small. I do notice a drop in quality when I move away from the position that the AVR auto-calibrated for.

I would suggest 80hz for all speakers. If you want to experiment I would turn just the crossover on the towers to 60hz.

As for subwoofer positioning, do the "subwoofer crawl" that will give you the best location for your subwoofer in your room and then just pick which is the best you can live with ascetically. Bass audio waves are quite large so you aren't blocking it too much just make sure the port isn't blocked

AcuDefTechGuy 07-11-2014 12:33 PM

For the low price, I think everything is fine, except the Sony AVR. I would get a Denon AVR. :D

knlmwq 07-12-2014 04:54 PM

Are there any positives or negatives to running all of your equipment such as video game systems to your receiver and only having one connection to your tv, versus having all of your video game systems hooked up to your tv and then having the tv run to the receiver? I currently have everything plugged directly into my tv, and not my receiver.

zieglj01 07-12-2014 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by knlmwq (Post 25692737)
Are there any positives or negatives to running all of your equipment such as video game systems to your receiver and only having one connection to your tv, versus having all of your video game systems hooked up to your tv and then having the tv run to the receiver? I currently have everything plugged directly into my tv, and not my receiver.

If you want to amplify the sound - then run them through the receiver.

knlmwq 07-12-2014 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by zieglj01 (Post 25693545)
If you want to amplify the sound - then run them through the receiver.

When you say amplify sound does that simply mean to turn up the volume? Or does it refer to adding external amplifiers between my receiver and speakers?

zieglj01 07-12-2014 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by knlmwq (Post 25694569)
When you say amplify sound does that simply mean to turn up the volume? Or does it refer to adding external amplifiers between my receiver and speakers?

NO!

It means if you can - hook up your sources (cable, Bluray, games, media systems) with HDMI input
to your receiver - then use the HDMI monitor out from the receiver, to the input of the TV.

That way you are controlling everything thru the receiver - and getting good sound from your system.

knlmwq 07-12-2014 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by zieglj01 (Post 25694961)
NO!

It means if you can - hook up your sources (cable, Bluray, games, media systems) with HDMI input
to your receiver - then use the HDMI monitor out from the receiver, to the input of the TV.

That way you are controlling everything thru the receiver - and getting good sound from your system.

Ok, I guess I should of worded my question differently. I have a Sony receiver, Sony 4k tv with ARC, sound travels through the Hdmi so what is the difference. Am I getting inferior sound quality the way I have it set up with all components hooked up to the tv instead of receiver

crazyrob425 07-12-2014 08:36 PM

I always felt for best sound quality its best to hook everything up to receiver and then run a single out cable to the TV.

ARC does NOT always output Dolby 5.1 and Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD.

You want best audio hook everything up to receiver

knlmwq 07-12-2014 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by crazyrob425 (Post 25696609)
I always felt for best sound quality its best to hook everything up to receiver and then run a single out cable to the TV.

ARC does NOT always output Dolby 5.1 and Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD.

You want best audio hook everything up to receiver

I see, but if my receiver is displaying "dolby 5.1", does that mean it is sending the signal through ARC? Or could it display it but still not be sending all of the information.


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