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Starting a Energy CB-20 setup, need advice

I am a speaker newbie, so I need some advice.

So far I have:
Sony STR-DN840 7.2 Channel 1050-Watt A/V Receiver
2x Energy CB-20 for L/R

I plan on slowly building this system, not going to buy it all at once. I am far more interested in how my music sounds than TV shows or Movies. Metal and old school Rock is about all I listen to.

Should my next purchase be a sub or a center speaker? I haven't looked into subs yet, but I have been comparing center speakers. Seems like CC-10 would be the logical matching center to get, but I hear a lot of good things about the older RC-LCR. only about $50 difference between the two, so I am trying to figure out which one would be best for my setup. Any ideas?

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The matching center is the CC-10, that is the only option unless you can accomodate another vertical bookshelf in the middle.

As for your next purchase, I would probably go with a sub woofer. It will make a big difference in your overall sound and give you some extra headroom since the receiver won't have to send the low frequencies to your bookshelves. I would recommend saving until you can get something like the SVS PB-1000. At $499, it is a fantastic performer and really is the starting point to good bass.

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The matching center is the CC-10, that is the only option unless you can accomodate another vertical bookshelf in the middle.

As for your next purchase, I would probably go with a sub woofer. It will make a big difference in your overall sound and give you some extra headroom since the receiver won't have to send the low frequencies to your bookshelves. I would recommend saving until you can get something like the SVS PB-1000. At $499, it is a fantastic performer and really is the starting point to good bass.
Ok thanks for the advice! I will start looking into the subs, anything else in the same class as the SVS PB-1000 to compare it with?
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Also, any reason you went with the PB-1000 and not the SB-1000? On the SVS site they make it seem like the SB is more gauged toward music. Maybe the SB just doesn't do so well for tv/movies at all?

This is what I will be listening to:

Which sub would keep up with that better?

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The SB-1000 is a good option as well, however being sealed means it's output is lower, especially down low where movie effects are prevalent. The PB-1000 is still very accurate, and unless you need a small footprint, or are in a small room, I think it's the better all-around choice. The main competitor to the PB-1000 is the Rythmik LV12R. It will have similar extension, but being that is has a bigger driver, it will play louder.

What are your room dimensions? (HxWxD) And is it open to any other spaces? Subs need to pressurize the entire connected volume of a space, so if you are in a big area the Rythmik might be a better choice.

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I agree about getting the sub first if music is your priority over home theater.

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The SB-1000 is a good option as well, however being sealed means it's output is lower, especially down low where movie effects are prevalent. The PB-1000 is still very accurate, and unless you need a small footprint, or are in a small room, I think it's the better all-around choice. The main competitor to the PB-1000 is the Rythmik LV12R. It will have similar extension, but being that is has a bigger driver, it will play louder.

What are your room dimensions? (HxWxD) And is it open to any other spaces? Subs need to pressurize the entire connected volume of a space, so if you are in a big area the Rythmik might be a better choice.
I'm working away from home at the moment, so I don't have the exact dimensions, living room and kitchen are open to each other, with a long hallway down the center of the home. I would guess the main area is about 750 sq ft, with 9 foot ceilings. So not a small room at all. I'll make it a little easier and attach the floor plan that shows the layout, but not dimensions. I was hoping to keep it around $500 so the rythmik is a little over that, but not if it is going to be that much better. Also, SVS still sells their SB-12 NSD from their outlet sale page for about $500, so maybe that is something to consider too.

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Yeah that is a good sized space, I would definitely consider the SVS PB12-NSD, it will extend deeper than the PB-1000 and also have higher output.

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I can only find the SB-12 on their outlet sale page, not the PB-12. I will try giving them a call. I like to get opinions from other people not trying to sell me stuff, so thanks for the info.
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Their outlet inventory varies, they have discontinued the PB12-NSD so if you find one it is probably from someone who upgraded, or it has a cosmetic issue. The PB-1000 is still a good sub, but in such a large space you will probably want a pair eventually.

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Just got off the phone with them, they suggested the PB-1000. They said it would perform the best in a room that size. I think you might be right about getting a second in the future though. I will take everyone's advice and go with the PB-1000.
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The Outlaw LFM-1 Plus is on sale for $499 shipped. That trumps the PB-1000 imo.
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The Outlaw LFM-1 Plus is on sale for $499 shipped. That trumps the PB-1000 imo.
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And for your size room, bigger/more powerful is definitely better

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Ok thanks, looks like I have some more reading to do in the Outlaw now.
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Looks like the Outlaw might be the better choice with the size of my room, so much info online it is hard to take it all in though. The Plus seems like a great sub at $500 right now. The EX might be a bit better, but not sure $100 more is worth the difference.
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$499 for the Outlaw is a great deal, it digs deeper, has more output, and a beefier amp. Even the EX is a great deal at $599, 16Hz extension is something you don't usually get until the $800+ price point.

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Would the outlaw EX outclass my CB-20 Energy speakers?
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Would the outlaw EX outclass my CB-20 Energy speakers?
No, a good sub doesn't overpower your speakers because your receiver will calibrate it to the appropriate level. You will have deeper, more articulate bass, with lower distortion, by going with a better sub.

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Your going to make me spend the extra $100! ha, I Love music too much to be cheap with it. Just trying to decide if I would actually be able to tell the difference with my ears.
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Your going to make me spend the extra $100! ha, I Love music too much to be cheap with it. Just trying to decide if I would actually be able to tell the difference with my ears.
Unless you have some giant cavern of a room, the EX will be able to make you feel the bass in way that you should very much appreciate. Also, while you expressed more interest in how your music sounds, you are going to love what the EX can do with the four to five star movies on this list: The New Master List of BASS in Movies with Frequency Charts
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Given you have a big open space to fill, I would spend as much as you can on the sub. Both options are good, and better than the PB-1000. I would say if you are on the fence about it, get the bigger one, you won't be wondering what-if and it will handle your room better.

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Unless you have some giant cavern of a room, the EX will be able to make you feel the bass in way that you should very much appreciate. Also, while you expressed more interest in how your music sounds, you are going to love what the EX can do with the four to five star movies on this list: The New Master List of BASS in Movies with Frequency Charts
+1! I highly recommend you purchase War of the Worlds, with a good sub you will be smiling from ear to ear

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OK, you guys are a bad influence, I'm ordering the EX today.
So on to the next question:
What sub cable should I get? A lot of people on here say it doesn't make a big difference, and I have a hard time spending $80 on some super cool silver tipped cable from Outlaw. I'm not looking for the cheapest cable out there, but $80 seems a bit extreme.
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OK, you guys are a bad influence, I'm ordering the EX today.
So on to the next question:
What sub cable should I get? A lot of people on here say it doesn't make a big difference, and I have a hard time spending $80 on some super cool silver tipped cable from Outlaw. I'm not looking for the cheapest cable out there, but $80 seems a bit extreme.
It does not make a difference. Go to www.monoprice.com and buy one of these at the length you need: http://www.monoprice.com/Category?c_id=102&cp_id=10236

If you have Amazon Prime you can buy it on there and get free shipping.

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Ok, the damage is all done for now. Just waiting on all the shipping notifications.

Thanks for everyone's help, I am sure there will be more questions at some point.
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Awesome! Let us know how it sounds

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Well I am still out at work, so I haven't got to play with the sub yet, but it did come in the mail. Of course there is already an issue... Very noticeable scratch/dent on the top, and the top is just a plain unpainted wood cover. In all the pictures online the top is black, seems like there is a black acrylic cover that I didn't get. My girlfriend took some pictures for me. I will have to give them a call Monday.
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That's not a wood cover. It's a protective sheeting for the acrylic top.

Definitely contact Outlaw immediately. I would imagine that they would exchange it or offer you a discount. I wouldn't take off the protective sheeting if you are going to ship it back.

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Reading the Outlaw owner thread, found that the wood top is just paper that comes off, I'll see if the GF can figure it out.
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Reading the Outlaw owner thread, found that the wood top is just paper that comes off, I'll see if the GF can figure it out.
I would not take it off until you talk to Outlaw. Not cool to ship it back to them and scratch that acrylic top in shipping.

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