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Looking for New Speakers for a Bedroom

Current Setup:
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Braided 12 Gauge Cable with BP
JBL 830 Speakers

The JBLs just do not sound good in the room at all, they sound excellent in my living room though on the same receiver.

The bedroom is medium sized, there is a bed and one window on the wall opposite to the TV.

The placement is hard to describe so I just included a picture, the TV is a 50" Panasonic Plasma, the space between the right side of the TV and the wall is about 2 feet.

I have a $750 budget, I would prefer the speakers to sit on the dresser and be about the same size as the L830s. I am not against subwoofers, there is room for one.

The speakers are mainly used for watching TV and Movies and Gaming, music is listened to occasionally but it is not a priority.
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Since I'm a fan, I'll go this way.
Have you looked into the Def Tech Studio Monitor series, the SM-55's would be slightly smaller or the SM-65's slightly larger, but both within your budget if bought from the right place.
Check your local Best Buy for a Mongolia room to see if they have them to listen to.
(Personally if they would fit, you couldn't go wrong with the SM-65's and can get them from baja on E-Bay for about what your looking to spend.)

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The JBLs just do not sound good in the room at all, they sound excellent in my living room though on the same receiver.

The speakers are mainly used for watching TV and Movies and Gaming, music is listened to occasionally but it is not a priority.
Are both of the speakers on the dresser to the left of the TV monitor?
It seems like they are not placed to the left and right of the TV.

Is the TV in front of, or to the right of your bed? This can make for some
strange off-center imaging. Also speakers on cabinets/dressers should be
placed to the front edge - to help avoid reflections.

Are you using separate speakers for your PC monitor on the right side.

If you have separate PC speakers - then I would re-arrange the TV
and place the speakers to the left and right side of the screen, if that
is possible.

I would get the best placement possible, before deciding to change your
bedroom speakers.
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There are a lot of nice bookshelfs for around $750...
Start with something over budget -

decent price on a $3000 bookshelf http://www.musicdirect.com/p-83551-f...-black-pr.aspx

Philharmonitors http://philharmonicaudio.com/philhar.../monitors.html $850 but a very nice speaker...

Swan d2.1se's are on sale http://hiviusa.com/shop/bookshelf-speakers/swan-d2-1se/ Swan actually has a bunch of bookshelfs for around that budget-- m1b's on sale, diva 6.0's, d3.1's, m1's, ect..

Then Ascend acoustic sierra 1's deserve a mention they have some bstock deals on their site rite now

I have a pair of these powered by a luxman i amp and like them a lot http://www.musicdirect.com/p-136406-...s-pr-demo.aspx

I had a pair of these awesome speaker for $399 http://www.musicdirect.com/p-57507-e...eakers-pr.aspx

there are tons of them out there, I personally like the carnegie csb1's http://carnegieacoustics.net/image/p...s/big/csb1.jpg you may still be able to get them for less than half price I haven't spoke to him in a while, if you are interested I can get you the info, I have a set and absolutely love them...

picture of my set- with mono blocks, parasound pre, and svs sb12 nsd subs- they have magnetic grilles, sloped front cabinets, piano finish, but the sound is the key obviously, very well designed speaker...

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Are both of the speakers on the dresser to the left of the TV monitor?
It seems like they are not placed to the left and right of the TV.

Is the TV in front of, or to the right of your bed? This can make for some
strange off-center imaging. Also speakers on cabinets/dressers should be
placed to the front edge - to help avoid reflections.

Are you using separate speakers for your PC monitor on the right side.

If you have separate PC speakers - then I would re-arrange the TV
and place the speakers to the left and right side of the screen, if that
is possible.

I would get the best placement possible, before deciding to change your
bedroom speakers.
This is excellent advice. If the speakers sound great room in one room and not another, then obviously placement and room treatment are needed to improve sound quality. In my opinion $750 isn't enough to make a meaningful upgrade to the JBLs, they are a good speaker.

You really should try to get the TV between the speakers, right now your sound is coming from the left of the TV and your imaging is all off. If you sit opposite the TV then you are listening off-axis and this not ideal.

You also want some space behind the speakers for your port to work properly. Keeping them close to the wall is going to minimize the bass and make them sound thin. And as zieglj01 pointed out, you are probably getting reflections off the surface of the dresser.

Windows are never good for sound, especially when it is opposite the speakers. I would consider a curtain for the window if you don't have one already.

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Are both of the speakers on the dresser to the left of the TV monitor?
It seems like they are not placed to the left and right of the TV.

Is the TV in front of, or to the right of your bed? This can make for some
strange off-center imaging. Also speakers on cabinets/dressers should be
placed to the front edge - to help avoid reflections.

Are you using separate speakers for your PC monitor on the right side.

If you have separate PC speakers - then I would re-arrange the TV
and place the speakers to the left and right side of the screen, if that
is possible.

I would get the best placement possible, before deciding to change your
bedroom speakers.
The Bed is directly in front of the TV.
The speakers are for using the TV, I use headphones when I use the PC.

It is not possible to rearrange the TV since a window is blocking where the bed would have to go.

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This is excellent advice. If the speakers sound great room in one room and not another, then obviously placement and room treatment are needed to improve sound quality. In my opinion $750 isn't enough to make a meaningful upgrade to the JBLs, they are a good speaker.

You really should try to get the TV between the speakers, right now your sound is coming from the left of the TV and your imaging is all off. If you sit opposite the TV then you are listening off-axis and this not ideal.

You also want some space behind the speakers for your port to work properly. Keeping them close to the wall is going to minimize the bass and make them sound thin. And as zieglj01 pointed out, you are probably getting reflections off the surface of the dresser.

Windows are never good for sound, especially when it is opposite the speakers. I would consider a curtain for the window if you don't have one already.
The window does have a curtain and thick wooden blinds on it.

What about speakers design to perform well in corners and can be wall mounted? That is the only way to get a speaker on the right side. Are there any panel speakers that would fit in the space and perform well?

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You could take a look at the NHT Classic Two, it is a sealed speaker so you wouldn't have any issues keeping it against the wall. I would recommend getting some clamping wall brackets and put the speakers on either side of the TV. You can aim them down a little so they are pointing at your ears, but this should put you in the sweet spot and improve sound. You could just buy brackets for your JBLs, but being that they are rear ported they may be too close to the wall.

I would try and work with you have first before buying something new. Maybe get an adjustable speaker stand put it behind your desk to the right of the TV, this would help center the image.

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What about speakers design to perform well in corners and can be wall mounted? That is the only way to get a speaker on the right side. Are there any panel speakers that would fit in the space and perform well?
I would try mounting the speakers to the right and left of the TV
and put some decorative acoustic damping on the right wall for
the reflection point.
http://www.amazon.com/VideoSecu-Clam...speaker+mounts

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...ic+wall+panels

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You could take a look at the NHT Classic Two, it is a sealed speaker so you wouldn't have any issues keeping it against the wall. I would recommend getting some clamping wall brackets and put the speakers on either side of the TV. You can aim them down a little so they are pointing at your ears, but this should put you in the sweet spot and improve sound. You could just buy brackets for your JBLs, but being that they are rear ported they may be too close to the wall.

I would try and work with you have first before buying something new. Maybe get an adjustable speaker stand put it behind your desk to the right of the TV, this would help center the image.
I will be moving the JBLs to a larger room where they will perform much better with plenty of space from the wall. I will get a sealed speaker this time and wall mount it. Depending on the bass is I may get a HSU subwoofer too.

Does the wall mounted speaker need to be in a stud or is drywall good enough to hold it? There is a stud over there but I can't remember how far away from the TV it is.

Edit: the stud is near the center of between the wall and TV so there is plenty of room.

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Even though you have a higher budget, I'd imagine a bedroom system is a secondary system. You really can't go wrong with the Pioneer BS-22 which leaves $650 on the table for subs...which you may or may not even feel the need for. To me, they are incredible speakers for the price, and nice sounding speakers regardless of the price. So much so that I own two sets.

My JBL Studio 530's are better...but they cost 5 times as much and should be better. They are extremely high value speakers as well.
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How about a Sonos sound bar?

http://www.amazon.com/PLAYBAR-Soundb...=sonos+playbar

Or save yourself a lot on money with a Vizio 3821s sb:

http://www.amazon.com/VIZIO-S3821w-C...keywords=3821s

The rest of the money saved can go into an external antenna for free local HD channels, cut your expensive cable!
Here's one that I use:

http://www.amazon.com/RCA-ANT751-Dur...eywords=ant751

You got money left? Why didn't you tell me so? Get VOIP telephone with the Ooma "router":

http://www.amazon.com/Ooma-Telo-Phon...&keywords=ooma

Your Internet bill + 4$ to 8$ a month is all you will pay with that neat machine
for an Internet-powered landline!

If you have money left after all this, I suggest the all-American hookers and coke combo to finish this great summer!
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Edit: the stud is near the center of between the wall and TV so there is plenty of room.
The stud is what you want to do

Also, you can go with front ported speakers - you do not need to restrict yourself
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How about a Sonos sound bar?

http://www.amazon.com/PLAYBAR-Soundb...=sonos+playbar

Or save yourself a lot on money with a Vizio 3821s sb:

http://www.amazon.com/VIZIO-S3821w-C...keywords=3821s

The rest of the money saved can go into an external antenna for free local HD channels, cut your expensive cable!
Here's one that I use:

http://www.amazon.com/RCA-ANT751-Dur...eywords=ant751

You got money left? Why didn't you tell me so? Get VOIP telephone with the Ooma "router":

http://www.amazon.com/Ooma-Telo-Phon...&keywords=ooma

Your Internet bill + 4$ to 8$ a month is all you will pay with that neat machine
for an Internet-powered landline!

If you have money left after all this, I suggest the all-American hookers and coke combo to finish this great summer!
No soundbars, I don't have cable in my house, I already have an HD Antenna, I already have Netgear Nighthawk router and a 100Mbps down 20 up internet plan which is the fastest I can get and it works flawlessly, and I have unlimited everything from T-Mobile.

If I use VOIP I use Hangouts because it is free calls to any phone in the US.

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The stud is what you want to do

Also, you can go with front ported speakers - you do not need to restrict yourself
to only use sealed speakers.
Alright I will look into front ported too.

Does anyone know of good $300-$750 sealed/front ported speakers that can be wall mounted? If under $500 I would like to buy a self powered sub.

Anyone have an opinion on a Klipsch Reference RB-81 II and then getting a $300-$400 subwoofer?

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Alright I will look into front ported too.

Does anyone know of good $300-$750 sealed/front ported speakers that can be wall mounted? If under $500 I would like to buy a self powered sub.

Anyone have an opinion on a Klipsch Reference RB-81 II and then getting a $300-$400 subwoofer?
The Klipsch is bigger than your JBL speakers.

I would look at the NHT on-wall speakers - sold each
http://www.nhthifi.com/Home-Theater-...&category=7166

Or, JBL L810 - sold by the pair
http://www.amazon.com/JBL-Performanc...+wall+speakers

HSU STF-2 subwoofer
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/stf-2.html

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The Klipsch is bigger than your JBL speakers.

I would look at the NHT on-wall speakers - sold each
http://www.nhthifi.com/Home-Theater-...&category=7166

HSU STF-2 subwoofer
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/stf-2.html
I don't want to wall mount the JBL because it is rear ported, the size is not a problem, I can fit 2 L830s side by side in that corner with some room to spare.

The depth is the same and the Kispch is only 1" wider but 4" taller.

I am not interested in buying another JBL L series speaker.

That is a great subwofoer, I was planning on getting an HSU if I did get a subwoofer.

Would the NHT offer better sound than the Klipsch or are they just better sized for wall mounting?

If I do go with the Klipsch I will probably get this wall mount: http://www.amazon.com/Pinpoint-Mount...keywords=AM-40

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I don't want to wall mount the JBL because it is rear ported, the size is not a problem, I can fit 2 L830s side by side in that corner with some room to spare.

The depth is the same and the Kispch is only 1" wider but 4" taller.

I am not interested in buying another JBL L series speaker.
You do not want to put speakers side by side - need to be to the left and right
of the TV.

Klipsch is your call - I am not a big fan - however another option is the RB61 II

Also Focal is nice - the 706V and a good price
http://www.musicdirect.com/p-41246-f...eakers-pr.aspx

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You do not want to put speakers side by side - need to be to the left and right
of the TV.

Klipsch is your call - I am not a big fan - however another option is the RB61 II

Also Focal is nice - the 706V and a good price
http://www.musicdirect.com/p-41246-f...eakers-pr.aspx
I just said side by side to show how much room there is, of course you would never actually put 2 side by side.

I will look into the focals, they do look nice.

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That is a great subwofoer, I was planning on getting an HSU if I did get a subwoofer.

Would the NHT offer better sound than the Klipsch or are they just better sized for wall mounting?

If I do go with the Klipsch I will probably get this wall mount: http://www.amazon.com/Pinpoint-Mount...keywords=AM-40
I prefer the overall sonic signature of NHT, compared to Klipsch

This speaker mount is cheaper
http://www.amazon.com/VideoSecu-Clam...+speaker+mount

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I prefer the overall sonic signature of NHT, compared to Klipsch

This speaker mount is cheaper
http://www.amazon.com/VideoSecu-Clam...+speaker+mount
Which performs better for TV/Gaming out of the Focals, NHT and Klipsch? They will not be used to listen to that much music.


My PC does have a sound card in it so I do have a decent equalizer if it needs to be used.

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Which performs better for TV/Gaming out of the Focals, NHT and Klipsch? They will not be used to listen to that much music.

My PC does have a sound card in it so I do have a decent equalizer if it needs to be used.
Klipsch (if you like the sound signature) and Focal

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No soundbars, I don't have cable in my house, I already have an HD Antenna, I already have Netgear Nighthawk router and a 100Mbps down 20 up internet plan which is the fastest I can get and it works flawlessly, and I have unlimited everything from T-Mobile.

If I use VOIP I use Hangouts because it is free calls to any phone in the US.
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