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Looking for a budget Bookshelf speaker

Can anyone throw some options out for me pleasee
Looking for something great on that $200 budget.
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Pioneer BS-22, below your budget. They are good enough I have two pair.
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fwiw, take a look at these http://www.accessories4less.com/make...ark-oak/1.html great speakers for the money nice mids and some nice bass not real deep but tight

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fwiw, take a look at these http://www.accessories4less.com/make...ark-oak/1.html great speakers for the money nice mids and some nice bass not real deep but tight
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Wave Crest Audio HVL-1. Use the coupon code Jman for a discount.

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HVL-1 or S30 would be my choice

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My buddy has some Klipsch KB-15, would those Cambridge out perform his Klipsch KB-15 ?
If so I'm sold!

Specs on the KB-15

Handles up to 340 watts peak (85W RMS)
Dual 5.25” magnetically shielded IMG woofers
1" aluminum diaphragm compression driver
62Hz-23kHz frequency response
94dB sensitivity
8 ohms impedance

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fwiw, imo the klipsch will outperform the Cambridge s-30 in that it will get louder and be more dynamic ( a lot of people believe louder is better)but for overall sound quality I would opt for the s 30's.here's what you could do. purchase a pair of the s 30's and see if your friend will let you try out his speakers in your room and hear for yourself what "your" ears really like. if you like the klipsch sound just send the s 30 's back and purchase the klipsch. this way you will not have any buyers remorse.

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My buddy has some Klipsch KB-15, would those Cambridge out perform his Klipsch KB-15 ?
If so I'm sold!

Specs on the KB-15

Handles up to 340 watts peak (85W RMS)
Dual 5.25” magnetically shielded IMG woofers
1" aluminum diaphragm compression driver
62Hz-23kHz frequency response
94dB sensitivity
8 ohms impedance
The Klipsch KB-15 only has 1 woofer - and I much prefer the Cambridge over the Klipsch.
Also, the Klipsch is not really 94 db sensitive - Klipsch over-rates their specs.
The S30 has better detail, definition and bass - and the Cambridge can get loud.

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My buddy has some Klipsch KB-15, would those Cambridge out perform his Klipsch KB-15 ?
If so I'm sold!

Specs on the KB-15

Handles up to 340 watts peak (85W RMS)
Dual 5.25” magnetically shielded IMG woofers
1" aluminum diaphragm compression driver
62Hz-23kHz frequency response
94dB sensitivity
8 ohms impedance
Any of the speakers we're recommending will outperform the Klipsch KB-15's. The claimed 94dB/2.83V/1m sensitivity is pure fantasy. There's no way a 2-way 5.25" speaker can produce that output across any sort of bandwidth. Two speakers at a single frequency in the tweeter's range - perhaps. Look at the Wave Crest Audio HVL-1 for a conservatively rated 2-way 5.25" speaker.

For the extra cost of a good afternoon down at the pub, my pick would be the PSB Image B5's for $250/pair. Find them in Black Oak finish at Saturday Audio, or Dark Cherry finish at Crutchfield.

If you really must stick to your budget, look at the little bro PSB Image B4's for $180/pair from the same vendors.

The PSB Image line has recently been discontinued and therefore discounted by up to $200/pr. The B5's in particular are just about irresistible at this price I reckon. They're a class above the usual speaker choices in this price bracket.
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Okay thanks guys.
I decided to take your word on this one so S30's are on the way.
I'm replacing these with my Polk 65t Monitors.
Just something about the Polks I'm not liking ...they'll probably end up on Craigslist after I hear these S30's on how highly these are recommended lol.
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Okay thanks guys.
I decided to take your word on this one so S30's are on the way.
I'm replacing these with my Polk 65t Monitors.
Just something about the Polks I'm not liking ...they'll probably end up on Craigslist after I hear these S30's on how highly these are recommended lol.
You might or might not find the S30s to be a big step up over the 65Ts, but they will certainly sound different.

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Okay thanks guys.
I decided to take your word on this one so S30's are on the way.
I'm replacing these with my Polk 65t Monitors.
Just something about the Polks I'm not liking ...they'll probably end up on Craigslist after I hear these S30's on how highly these are recommended lol.
As far as the midrange and treble - that is a clear difference for me, compared to Polk Monitors.
The Cambridge has a coherent/cohesive sound - with good bass to around 60 hz.

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You might or might not find the S30s to be a big step up over the 65Ts, but they will certainly sound different.
I guess if all else fails, I can hook up the Polks to my receiver as well. Its a 7.1 and maybe the s30s will pick up what the Polks lack.
Which is definitely super high treble and mid range bass.
But my NXG 500 sub picks up mid range bass really well.

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If you like the sound of the Polk Monitor 65t's you might want to look at

-Polk RTi4's, $175 shipped (previous version of Polk RTi A1's)
-Polk RTi6's, $200 shipped (previous version of Polk RTi A3's)
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Not only is the Klipsch claimed sensitivity pure BS, sensitivity isn't nearly as important as many people think it is. I've driven my Pioneer BS22's with a Lepai T-amp before to rather high levels in my computer room which is 11x11x8' and that amp is maybe 8 watts per channel, and the Pioneer's sensitivity is a realistic 85db. I don't use that Lepai these days at in that system, I'm using a bigger amp a SMSL SA-98E which is more like 30-40 watts per channel, but I'm running a second set of the Pioneer's in my bedroom setup with another 8 watt T-amp, a SMSL SA-36A and that room is a bit bigger, 13x13x8' and is does well in there too.
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If you like the sound of the Polk Monitor 65t's you might want to look at

-Polk RTi4's, $175 shipped (previous version of Polk RTi A1's)
-Polk RTi6's, $200 shipped (previous version of Polk RTi A3's)
I don't like the Polk Monitors.
I think they lack a lot of bass and a lot of highs.

My friend that has them in his studio referred me to Polk and I got to hear them and sounded like you would not believe. And was very disappointed with my monitors cause they did not sound anywhere near like his. So I called him and he explained he had the LSI series which is a completely different breed of technology and was I bummed out!
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I guess if all else fails, I can hook up the Polks to my receiver as well. Its a 7.1 and maybe the s30s will pick up what the Polks lack.
Which is definitely super high treble and mid range bass.
But my NXG 500 sub picks up mid range bass really well.
I would not mix the Polk and Cambridge together - the Polk lacks detail and definition

The Cambridge and NXG subwoofer, will make a good combination for a more cohesive sound

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I guess if all else fails, I can hook up the Polks to my receiver as well. Its a 7.1 and maybe the s30s will pick up what the Polks lack.
Which is definitely super high treble and mid range bass.
But my NXG 500 sub picks up mid range bass really well.
Well, my advice would be to wait and until you can save up to increase your budget.

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Well, my advice would be to wait and until you can save up to increase your budget.
Eh they're to much money.
I think I can get away with good speakers for cheaper.
That is why i really wanted the forums help on this one.
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Eh they're to much money.
I think I can get away with good speakers for cheaper.
That is why i really wanted the forums help on this one.
Curtis, why not take advantage of Cruthfield's 60 day money back guarantee and try out the PSB's in your own room? If you don't like them, you'll only be out of pocket $10 for the return shipping.

If you're looking at building to a seven speaker system in time, the Image B4's ($180/pr) will be fine for now and will be all you need for surround/rear duty when you get larger front speakers in the future. (PSB Imagine X line will match.)
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I don't like the Polk Monitors.
I think they lack a lot of bass and a lot of highs.

My friend that has them in his studio referred me to Polk and I got to hear them and sounded like you would not believe. And was very disappointed with my monitors cause they did not sound anywhere near like his. So I called him and he explained he had the LSI series which is a completely different breed of technology and was I bummed out!
Well the set-up could all come down to the room set-up and speaker set-up with your receiver. What were you using to power the Monitor 65t's? What are your receiver's settings to the Polk Monitor 65t's?

Polk's aren't known for lacking highs so I am beginning to think there was an issue how you set up the speakers and how you were powering them.

RTi line is about huge step above the Monitors. I had the Monitor 30's before the RTi4's and noticed a huge improvement in both highs and lows. But smaller bookshelf speakers still need subwoofers to fill out the bass end.
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I've been reading audio forums and magazines for over 40yrs. This is the first thread I've read which disclaims Klipsch' speaker sensitivity. Klipsch' have always been known for their high sensitivities.

I own Klipsch Kg4s, Kg2s and B2 and have owned KSB-2.1s and 3.1. I've always found them to be excellent sounding speakers with very good build quality. I've never listened to the KB15, so can't recommend them and always found the older Klipsch' more to my taste. Specifically the Kg series and the other bookshelfs I've mentioned. I find their imaging excellent enough to fool people into thinking the center channel speaker is active.

For under $200 I can fully recommend the B2s. I've seen them used for $125-$150 and consider them a very good bargain.
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Well the set-up could all come down to the room set-up and speaker set-up with your receiver. What were you using to power the Monitor 65t's? What are your receiver's settings to the Polk Monitor 65t's?

Polk's aren't known for lacking highs so I am beginning to think there was an issue how you set up the speakers and how you were powering them.

RTi line is about huge step above the Monitors. I had the Monitor 30's before the RTi4's and noticed a huge improvement in both highs and lows. But smaller bookshelf speakers still need subwoofers to fill out the bass end.
I can easily tell they're lacking highs cause I've been to concerts and can really tell the difference when drums and claps go off.
The Polk Monitors are lacking in it big time and the bass is not there at all.
I'm using a Denon AVR-3805 I know it's old but scored it on craigslist for really cheap and it was pretty much flawless without even a scratch on it.
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Curtis, why not take advantage of Cruthfield's 60 day money back guarantee and try out the PSB's in your own room? If you don't like them, you'll only be out of pocket $10 for the return shipping.

If you're looking at building to a seven speaker system in time, the Image B4's ($180/pr) will be fine for now and will be all you need for surround/rear duty when you get larger front speakers in the future. (PSB Imagine X line will match.)
Wow those PSB's are some very attractive speakers.
But eventually I'd want to upgrade to front towers for my system and those being almost 2 grand each.. I think is quite to much.
Cause you can buy your own speakers and design your own cabinets and probably get a seriously powerful amp to push it that would blow those out of the water in DB testing for less than 4 grand.
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I've been reading audio forums and magazines for over 40yrs. This is the first thread I've read which disclaims Klipsch' speaker sensitivity. Klipsch' have always been known for their high sensitivities.

I own Klipsch Kg4s, Kg2s and B2 and have owned KSB-2.1s and 3.1. I've always found them to be excellent sounding speakers with very good build quality. I've never listened to the KB15, so can't recommend them and always found the older Klipsch' more to my taste. Specifically the Kg series and the other bookshelfs I've mentioned. I find their imaging excellent enough to fool people into thinking the center channel speaker is active.

For under $200 I can fully recommend the B2s. I've seen them used for $125-$150 and consider them a very good bargain.
Gigantic Klipschhorns are one thing, a small bookshelf speaker is entirely another story and cannot, under any circumstances have a nearly 10db sensitivity advantage over all other similarly sized, and similarly rated frequency response speakers...just because.

Hoffmans Iron Law, and it's a law because you can't get around it, states you can have any 2 of the 3 following things, but not all 3.

1. Deep bass response.
2. A small cabinet.
3. High sensitivity.

Klipsch is claiming to have all three, and they simply do not.
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I've been reading audio forums and magazines for over 40yrs. This is the first thread I've read which disclaims Klipsch' speaker sensitivity. Klipsch' have always been known for their high sensitivities.

I own Klipsch Kg4s, Kg2s and B2 and have owned KSB-2.1s and 3.1. I've always found them to be excellent sounding speakers with very good build quality. I've never listened to the KB15, so can't recommend them and always found the older Klipsch' more to my taste. Specifically the Kg series and the other bookshelfs I've mentioned. I find their imaging excellent enough to fool people into thinking the center channel speaker is active.

For under $200 I can fully recommend the B2s. I've seen them used for $125-$150 and consider them a very good bargain.
Hi KJ

Here's a fairly recent AVS discussion with a couple of examples: Is it worth upgrading to floor standing speakers? (start here & continue)

I don't think there's a suggestion that Klipsch has always done it or does it with all speaker lines. But certainly in the more recent reviews I've seen of their "consumer" lines, Klipsch' measured sensitivity has never come within a bull's roar of what they claim in their specifications. Here are a few more examples that popped up with a quick Google search (try: "klipsch ht labs measures":

Exhibit 1:
Measured: http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...-labs-measures
Klipsch claims: http://www.klipsch.com.au/rb-61-ii-b...s-pair/details , http://www.klipsch.com.au/rc-62-ii-c...peaker/details , http://www.klipsch.com.au/rs-62-ii-s...peaker/details

Exhibit 2:
Measured: http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...-labs-measures
Klipsch claims: http://www.klipsch.com.au/quintet-ho...m-2012/details

Exhibit 3:
Measured: http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...-labs-measures
Klipsch claims: http://www.klipsch.com.au/kl-650-thx...peaker/details , http://www.klipsch.com.au/kl-525-thx...peaker/details

In all cases S&V, while listing most other specifications on the "Specs" page before the measurements, just happen to omit the sensitivity for all speakers. Completely gutless if you ask me and probably one of the reasons why you hadn't come across this issue before. Klipsch currently trade on a reputation for having high sensitivity speakers, but with the likely exception of their heritage and pro lines, their speakers are generally no more sensitive than any others.
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Wow those PSB's are some very attractive speakers.
But eventually I'd want to upgrade to front towers for my system and those being almost 2 grand each.. I think is quite to much.
Cause you can buy your own speakers and design your own cabinets and probably get a seriously powerful amp to push it that would blow those out of the water in DB testing for less than 4 grand.
Where are you seeing almost 2 grand each Curtis? The current matching towers for those PSB bookshelves are the new Imagine X line, specifically the Imagine X1T and X2T which are very similar to the models they replaced, the Image T5 and T6.

I totally agree about the value and capability of DIY speakers. For example, from DIY Sound Group you can get 3 X Elusive (aka Tux) 1099 kits ($380 IIRC) and cabinet flatpacks for about $1350 shipped. Allow for consumables and miscellaneous bits for say $1500 complete. These must be run with subs and are a very honest 99dB/1W/1m sensitivity, so they can driven by a hamster wheel. You could cough up for an Emotiva XPA-3 just for the heck of it and still be $1700 ahead.
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I can easily tell they're lacking highs cause I've been to concerts and can really tell the difference when drums and claps go off.
The Polk Monitors are lacking in it big time and the bass is not there at all.
I'm using a Denon AVR-3805 I know it's old but scored it on craigslist for really cheap and it was pretty much flawless without even a scratch on it.
What the settings you have set-up your receiver at? Did you use the Auto EQ set-up with the receiver? Did you change the settings since you bought the receiver?

Again Polk Monitor's are not known for lacking highs, they have been described as bright by some people.

Cheap bookshelfs will not really fix the problem by adding more bass, and Cambridge S30's are considered nuetral with less emphsis on highs.

Highs at concerts can be exaggerated if you are close to the stage do to the huge horn tweeters professional speakers have to help cover the large area.

To be clear I am not bandwagoning Polk's here, I am just analyzing your experience with them which doesn't fit the mold most people characterize their sound.

If Polks are NOT bright enough for you I suggest looking at Klipsch speakers. As for bass a subwoofer is a better buy to handle the bass.

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