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1st ever home theatre component help

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From the title you maybe able to tell I am new to the home theatre set ups. I've been using these forums for the last few days trying to take in as much as I can, but decided it would be better to ask instead. So, I have a budget of around £1000-£1500, but could go up more depending on how much improvement I could get. I had decided on a Sony (the 1050) receiver but seeing they weren't well liked I changed. Right now I'm thinking about the Onkyo TX-NR636. It seems to be very future proof, which I like, and has pretty much everything I would need feature wise. However I have seen many people say they wouldn't recommend the Onkyo due to overheating issue, which is a concern. However where I really need help is with speaker choice. I watch films a lot, but I also listen to music a lot, and therefore need ones that are pretty competent at both. I have looked around at a few but I'm hoping for a little more direction so that I can compare ones that are good enough for what I need them for.

Thanks in advance.

Edit: Not totally sure on room size, as we're moving house soon. I'd go with a standard 30 x 20 size room, I don't think its far from that.

Edit 2: I also live in the UK, so would have to most likely be things orderable off Amazon etc.

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Is that budget for 5 or 7 speakers? Including subwoofer(s)??
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5.1, so including a sub. Although I could stretch a little further if needed.
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Have you listened to any speakers already? Which did you like? Some people like brighter speakers (more highs) and others like warmer speakers (smoother mids, more muted highs). Not to stereotype you or anyone else in the UK, but it is one of the places where warm speakers are more common and preferred from what I've read. My KEFs were the warmest speakers I've ever owned - built in the UK.

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It's quite hard to find places over here that have speakers set up to listen to. Most shops only really have headphones set up. I would say musically warm speakers would probably be better, but I still want them to be able to perform in say, and action scene in a film. I would say I have Klipsh headphones that I really like, but the problem being for the reference set they're a bit out of my price range. Plus I'm not sure they do the lows as quite as well as I'd like them. (Although they're one of the cheaper headphones I got when I was younger - so maybe better ones are better?) Hope that helps?

Also, I was hoping for towers at the back, just because I don't really want to do wall mounts and I'd prefer a nice tower to a bookshelf speaker.

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One thing to consider is that "usually" as far as the 5 are concerned, if it works well for music it'll work well for movies, doesn't ness. work the other way around, and doesn't ness. work for subs, so it may be a good idea to decide which you listen to more, simply because it "could" effect your cost. And yes it's a shame you can't listen to a few things first, since no matter what "everyone else" likes, ultimately sound is very subjective for the listener.
Don't know about taxes and duty fees and such but besides "my" first love DefTech, you may want to look into the Chane line for cost and sound quality.

http://www.chanemusiccinema.com/chane-arx-loudspeakers

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Good to know, I'll have a search on here for any suggestions based on music (Most I've looked at tend to be around films). I had a look at DefTech ones which are very nice but probably outside my budget, unless you had specific set in mind? I had a look at Chane and they don't have any authorized dealers in this country, and they don't really guarantee shipping over here, so they're probably out too. But technically they looked very nice and I read a lot of good stuff about them.

Definitely will enjoy it, looking forward to upgrading from TV speakers to a full set at least anyway, even if not perfect they'll be much better then what I have now.
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fwiw, in the u.k I would look into these top brands for speakers kef, wharfedale, monitor audio ( richer sounds looks like a nice electronics store) for subs I know that svs does have a distributer over there but are pricey. I would look at the bk subs http://www.bkelec.com/HiFi/Sub_Woofers.htm maybe the monolith in your budget. just some options to look at. good luck

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Edit 2: I also live in the UK, so would have to most likely be things orderable off Amazon etc.
Look at Mordaunt Short Aviano 2 speakers - the prices are good - they will be good for both music and home theater.
Look at buying 5 each, and use one as a center channel. (May need to double check, to see if the price is for each or pair)
If by pair, then worth it to have a spare speaker - the prices are good.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mordaunt-Sho...short+speakers

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_...t+short+%2Caps

If using Amazon - then look at the EarthQuake subwoofer - however, I would look at the BK subwoofers linked above.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Earthquake-S...ome+subwoofers

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I'm not totally sure how this works yet. I had a look at the Monolith sub, but its 4 ohms, while the reciever is 6, will this make a major difference? Especially knowing Onkyos may run hotter already. It also has more RMS Watts then the receiver. I prefer that to the SVS SB 1000 which seems much more expensive here ($500 in US but about £700 here which would be a vast amount of the budget). I'm still comparing the speakers of the brands mentioned so I'll update on that, but so far I can't seem to compare like for like really.

Edit: Also, for the Monolith and the XXLS400-FF which is better for my needs?

I'm also quite liking the monitor audio bronze set. Im not fully sure which way to go though, do you get Floorstanders for the front 2 channels, a centre,then the BXFX surround for the back? Or floorstanders at the back then 2 bookshelf ones for front? Or with the sub 2 bookshelves and 2 surrounds and no floorstander? - Also, theyre a little old now so I'm guessing theres probably better ones on the market?

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I'm not totally sure how this works yet. I had a look at the Monolith sub, but its 4 ohms, while the reciever is 6, will this make a major difference? Especially knowing Onkyos may run hotter already. It also has more RMS Watts then the receiver. I prefer that to the SVS SB 1000 which seems much more expensive here ($500 in US but about £700 here which would be a vast amount of the budget). I'm still comparing the speakers of the brands mentioned so I'll update on that, but so far I can't seem to compare like for like really.

Edit: Also, for the Monolith and the XXLS400-FF which is better for my needs?

I'm also quite liking the monitor audio bronze set. Im not fully sure which way to go though, do you get Floorstanders for the front 2 channels, a centre,then the BXFX surround for the back? Or floorstanders at the back then 2 bookshelf ones for front? Or with the sub 2 bookshelves and 2 surrounds and no floorstander? - Also, theyre a little old now so I'm guessing theres probably better ones on the market?
fwiw, the subwoofer has its own power amp and will not draw any from your avr. as for what bk sub, both would work with the monolith giving you more deeper louder bass and with your size room the monolith would be the pick here and eventually picking up a second one down the road for better bass response in your size room. as for speakers that's going to be your call. it is very difficult when you can not listen to them by yourself and have to take someone elses views. for your size room and a nice sub and budget I would look into bookshelves for front 2 and matching center channel for best timbre across the front and a pair of bookshelves for the rears.(these do not have to match front speakers) and look at the well known speaker makers like monitor audio or kef . the M.A audio bronze bx speakers are very well liked for h.t in the u.k in your budget. the kef q series is another to look at.just my 2 cents


* just re reading your first post and realizing that your measuring system is different is your room 20x 30 "feet" in distance

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Excellent, I thought that but wasn't fully sure. Thanks for clearing it up.

Yes the room size was in feet (Sorry I forgot about the differences between US & UK), hope that doesn't too drastically change anything?
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I was hoping for towers at the back, just because I don't really want to do wall mounts and I'd prefer a nice tower to a bookshelf speaker.
I'm not sure what towers in the rear are going to accomplish, many bookshelf speakers will sound as good for surrounds and many have built in hangars. Also, you might be able to get better front towers if you get bookshelf speakers for surrounds.

Four towers and a good center - with most brands this is going to cost well beyond your budget. Two brands I recommend for budget systems are the Polk New Monitor and the Infinity Primus.

Fronts and Surrounds:Polk Audio Monitor Series New Monitor 65T Three-Way Ported Floorstanding Loudspeaker - $140 each
Center: Polk Audio Monitor Series New Monitor 25C Two-Way Center Channel Loudspeaker - $130
Dual Subs: Dual PB-1000, 300 Watt DSP Controlled, 10" Ported Subwoofer - $949

The Infinity's are an amazing deal for towers and have a great center:

Front and Surround: Infinity Primus P363 Three-way dual 6-1/2-Inch Floorstanding Speaker (Black, Each) - $110 each when available directly from Amazon, wait if out of stock
Center: Infinity Primus PC351 Three-way dual 5-1/4-Inch Speaker (Each, Center-Channel, Black) - $199
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I'm not sure what towers in the rear are going to accomplish, many bookshelf speakers will sound as good for surrounds and many have built in hangars. Also, you might be able to get better front towers if you get bookshelf speakers for surrounds.

Four towers and a good center - with most brands this is going to cost well beyond your budget. Two brands I recommend for budget systems are the Polk New Monitor and the Infinity Primus.

Fronts and Surrounds:Polk Audio Monitor Series New Monitor 65T Three-Way Ported Floorstanding Loudspeaker - $140 each
Center: Polk Audio Monitor Series New Monitor 25C Two-Way Center Channel Loudspeaker - $130
Dual Subs: Dual PB-1000, 300 Watt DSP Controlled, 10" Ported Subwoofer - $949

The Infinity's are an amazing deal for towers and have a great center:

Front and Surround: Infinity Primus P363 Three-way dual 6-1/2-Inch Floorstanding Speaker (Black, Each) - $110 each when available directly from Amazon, wait if out of stock
Center: Infinity Primus PC351 Three-way dual 5-1/4-Inch Speaker (Each, Center-Channel, Black) - $199
Dual Subs: Dual PB-1000, 300 Watt DSP Controlled, 10" Ported Subwoofer - $949
those might of been good recommendations if the op lived here in the states but he lives in the u.k and I don't believe amazon u.k carries the infinity p series or the polk monitor series and I'm sure dual svs subs are way out of his budget

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I'm not totally sure how this works yet. I had a look at the Monolith sub, but its 4 ohms, while the reciever is 6, will this make a major difference? Especially knowing Onkyos may run hotter already. It also has more RMS Watts then the receiver. I prefer that to the SVS SB 1000 which seems much more expensive here ($500 in US but about £700 here which would be a vast amount of the budget). I'm still comparing the speakers of the brands mentioned so I'll update on that, but so far I can't seem to compare like for like really.

Edit: Also, for the Monolith and the XXLS400-FF which is better for my needs?

I'm also quite liking the monitor audio bronze set. Im not fully sure which way to go though, do you get Floorstanders for the front 2 channels, a centre,then the BXFX surround for the back? Or floorstanders at the back then 2 bookshelf ones for front? Or with the sub 2 bookshelves and 2 surrounds and no floorstander? - Also, theyre a little old now so I'm guessing theres probably better ones on the market?
I hope you can find somewhere to audition some of these speakers.
I have some monitor audio bronze and silver sets and the sound is very very good. I have played around with some KEF in a store and they are also great sounding speakers.
The only reason for my choice of one over the other was local availability. The store let me take them home and try them first.

Just to clarify for you. When using speakers in surround mode, most of the sound will be coming through the front speakers. The rear speakers just fill in the 3D image mids and highs so a smaller speaker is usually sufficient for the rears.

Best of luck on your quest.
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Yea, I posted about towers before fully researching tbh. I got out of that idea a while ago. Unfortunately most of those you've recommended aren't easily available over here.

Good to hear about the Bronze set, there's a specialist store I'm hoping to visit on the weekend to see if I can demo them, but right now I am liking the look of them. Just 1 question about the Ohms figure. The speakers are 8 ohms but the receiver is 6 ohm recommended. Will it make major difference? I know the Onkyos are prone to overheating so I wouldn't want to add more work to it if possible?

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Just 1 question about the Ohms figure. The speakers are 8 ohms but the receiver is 6 ohm recommended. Will it make major difference? I know the Onkyos are prone to overheating so I wouldn't want to add more work to it if possible?
An 8 Ohm (nominal) speaker is easier to drive than a 6 Ohm speaker, so an amplifier which has a "6 Ohm rating" simply means that it CAN drive a speaker with a lower impedance of 6 Ohms without overheating - that could be considered a safety margin when used with 8 Ohms speakers. Some outboard amplifiers are rated to drive 4 Ohm or even 2 or 1 Ohm loads - they too can still drive an 8 Ohm load with much less stress on their circuits.

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