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This speaker FAQ is intended to answer some of the basic questions about speakers and putting together a home audio setup.

See post #2 for rules before posting in this thread. This is NOT a recommendation thread. If you need help, you will want to start your own thread in the AVS Speaker forum, providing the information in item #1 below.

1) I need help with picking out an HT or stereo setup. What kind of information should I provide?

When creating a new thread in the Speaker forum for help with recommendations for an audio setup, be sure to include

1) Your budget.
2) Your listening interests: movies/gaming/music--and whether or not any of those are your primary concern.
3) Your existing audio equipment (make/models) if any. Include comments about what you hope to improve upon.
4) The size of your room. Please also mention if there are adjacent open areas and how big they are (important for subwoofer choice).
5) Any placement restrictions.
6) Any aesthetic or size concerns.
7) Any equipment you are already considering (or would not consider).
8) Any particular audio sonic signatures you know you prefer (e.g., you are a basshead, you have a preference for bright treble, etc.)

If you are seeking help with configuring or troubleshooting an existing setup, be sure to give the make/model for your entire setup and try to describe the problem with good detail.

Once you have given good, detailed information for what you need help with, provide a title for your post that helps people to understand what you are looking for.

2) I have speaker make/model X. What center channel goes with my speakers?

For best SQ, it is important for your front soundstage to timbre match, which gives you a smooth transition as sound pans from left to right (and vice versa) and may help with dialogue clarity.

Because of this, the optimum choice is the exact same speaker as your front left and right. The center channel designed by manufacturers is the next best option, but it is a slight compromise over using the exact same speaker. The reason that many people go with manufacturer designed center channels is that they cannot accommodate a vertically placed speaker as a center channel, and many speakers cannot be turned on their side (they are not designed to disperse sound properly that way).

It is possible that other speakers in the same speaker model line will work well, too, because the tweeter is often the same/similar and the tonal signature of the drivers are as well.

Using a mismatched center channel from a different manufacturer--or a different speaker model line by the same manufacturer--may work worse than no center at all, and it is next to impossible to predict what speaker from another manufacturer would work well.

To find out if other center channels from the same manufacturer might work well with your front left and right, look for an owners thread on AVS for that manufacturer and ask for recommendations.

3) How do I place my speakers in my room?

Placement can have a significant impact on both speaker and subwoofer performance. The following links are a good place to start for learning more:
http://www.audioholics.com/home-thea...heater-systems
http://www.audioholics.com/home-thea...ssential-guide
http://www.audioholics.com/subwoofer...ofer-placement

4) Why are people telling me to go with larger bookshelves instead of satellite speakers?

Small satellites have tiny drivers (e.g. 3”) that lack the dynamics for filling a large room with sound in comparison to larger driver bookshelves (e.g. 5.5” or 6”). The tweeters may also be smaller as well or more limited in overall sound output, also limiting dynamics.

Small satellites also need a higher crossover with a sub. Consequently the bass may become more localizable--you can tell the bass is coming from the sub. And you may need a more resolving subwoofer since the sub has to handle more midbass; the lower quality of a budget entry level sub that sounds OK with a lower crossover when used with bookshelves or towers may call attention to its flaws more with small satellites.

5) What is the advantage of towers/floorstanding speakers over bookshelf/monitor size?

Towers can typically provide deeper bass extension over bookshelves. However, if you are buying a good subwoofer (and you should), this advantage is often negated because you can crossover your speakers at around 80hz.

Towers will typically offer better dynamics and overall power handling than bookshelves in the same speaker manufacturer model line. However, for the difference in price, you may be able to find a better quality speaker from another speaker model line which offers similar benefits to the tower in terms of dynamics and power handling.

6) I have speaker make/model X. What surround speakers should I get?

Since the surround channels are usually only used for effects sounds and ambient noise, it is generally thought to be less important that they have tonal match to the front stage speakers. To put it another way, it is important to keep all the front stage speakers matching for a good sound, but one can have somewhat different surround speakers without nearly as much penalty. However, this is not a completely universally accepted idea, and there is some debate on the importance of matching surrounds. With the expansion from five to seven channel surround sound in lossless codecs and the recent announcement of Dolby Atmos for home systems, the surround channels do seem to be gaining greater importance, so it may be more beneficial to use matching speakers in future surround sound setups, especially if one is using direct-radiating (monopole) speakers for surround speakers.

If one intends to eventually upgrade to Dolby Atmos, then direct radiating is the appropriate choice since it is required for Dolby Atmos implementation. Otherwise, to learn more about whether bipole, dipole, or direct radiating (monopole) speakers are best for your needs, consult this lengthy discussion on AVS and read A Guide to Bipolar, Dipolar, & Direct-Radiating Monopole Surround Speakers Part I & Part II. If all that reading seems overwhelming, then going with a direct radiating speaker certainly works well as a default choice.

7) Will biwiring my speakers to my AVR improve the sound quality?

Many people confuse biamping with biwiring. Biamping can certainly improve sound quality, but it requires active crossovers which passive speakers typically are not setup to use.

Biwiring offers no sound quality advantage. Speaker manufacturers provide biwire terminals on passive speakers and AVR manufacturers offer biwiring capability because some audiophiles believe the myth that it does.

8) What kind of speaker wire and what gauge speaker wire do I need?

The gauge speaker wire you need is based upon the impedance of your speakers and the length of the wire runs. Consult the table on this page (scroll down). You could certainly go with a lower # gauge (thicker copper wire) than what the table suggests.

Any oxygen free 100% copper speaker wire will work well. You do not need to buy expensive speaker cables. Banana plugs can be convenient for hooking up your speakers if they work with your speaker terminals and receiver, but they are not necessary for good sound quality.

Search the forum, and you’ll find recommended speaker wire and banana plugs. Generally there is no need to create a new thread just to find that out.

9) Should I buy expensive cables?

No. Scientific evidence does not support the benefit of expensive cables. For example, there are $10 audio interconnects that should perform as well as $100 ones.

Search the forum, and you’ll find recommended cables. Generally there is no need to create a new thread just to find that out.

10) How do I choose a subwoofer to match my speakers?

Subwoofer choice is at first dependent on the volume area of your room--including any open areas--and your listening volume. Too little sub and your sub will struggle (or be unable) to keep up with your speakers, and you might overdrive it. As subwoofers get closer to their maximum volume, they also tend to have more distortion. Now if you are using it nearfield for a computer setup (approximately 3 ft away), then subwoofer performance based on the room size is not a concern.

You need to consider the low end frequency extension capability of the sub. For music, a good general guide is that you want extension down to 30hz. However, movies have deeper bass extension where a lot of special effects content is. Many AVS members feel that solid low 20hz (or lower) extension is a big plus for a good subwoofer for HT usage

A sub is a big driver, in a big, heavy enclosure (box), and it has an amp. It is expensive to ship. So most AVS members feel there are significant price/performance benefits on spending more on a sub than most people new to home audio realize: quality and performance does improve quite a bit with a higher budget. When choosing a subwoofer, there are also Internet direct vendors that offer much better price/performance values than traditional speaker company subs that you can buy at a store.

There are still other considerations regarding subwoofer choice. Subwoofer recommendations and questions are best addressed in the AVS subwoofer forum, and you can learn about the different Internet direct vendors, as well as current online deals for entry levels subs. Be sure to read this post instructing you on what information to provide before seeking advice: http://www.avsforum.com/t/989316/wan...before-posting

My question has not been answered here. What do I do?

If your question pertains to some particular aspect of how to select audio equipment or what to buy, try googling what you are looking for with "AVS" as a keyword. That's the easiest way to find things on the website.

Otherwise, start your own thread
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Thanks, guys. There hasn't been much to keep up with that post. A couple of AVSrs help me some with the content. I think we covered all the main bases for the questions that would get asked every single week.

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Question Bose Reflective Speakers

I see many acronyms in the posts. What is MLP? My questions are:

I have a large long room to set up my front, rear, and center Bose reflective speakers. What should the maximum distance be from the front speakers to the rear speakers? My front speakers are 301s and the back speakers are 201s. This is the set that the Bose store recommended for me based on a much smaller room. I don't want to have to buy new speakers.

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For multiple sub setup, do you have to match subs like you match speakers? Wondering if I could have one larger sub for lower frequencies and one smaller sub for punchy fast paced music. We used to do that in car audio stuff. Wondering if it would be worth it in a home theater setup
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I see many acronyms in the posts. What is MLP? My questions are:

I have a large long room to set up my front, rear, and center Bose reflective speakers. What should the maximum distance be from the front speakers to the rear speakers? My front speakers are 301s and the back speakers are 201s. This is the set that the Bose store recommended for me based on a much smaller room. I don't want to have to buy new speakers.

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For multiple sub setup, do you have to match subs like you match speakers? Wondering if I could have one larger sub for lower frequencies and one smaller sub for punchy fast paced music. We used to do that in car audio stuff. Wondering if it would be worth it in a home theater setup
I don't think that's an easy question to answer. Partially because it's complicated, and partially because you it seems you might be starting with wrong assumptions, such as the idea that smaller subs would necessarily be punchier. Best to start a discussion in the AVS subwoofer forum about it. Tell them your current setup, size of your room, your budget, etc.:

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...s-transducers/

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I recently purchased the Onkyo TX-SR444 7.1 channel receiver. I also have a Philips HTS6500 DVD Home Theater system that this receiver is now replacing. The speakers and subwoofer both still work well, so I would like to connect them to the receiver. I was able to cut off the connector from the subwoofer and hook it up to the Onkyo receiver. However, the speakers have a 6 prong connection. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to salvage the speakers? Can I cut off the connection and interwine some of the wires? Or is there an easy conversion connector that I can purchase to convert it? The receiver has the typical positive-negative speaker wire connection.

I tried posting the links, but this is my first post. However, if you just google philips hts6500 dvd home theater system and then click on the p4c philip com link (For me, it was the first one listed below the ads). Then scroll down and click onto Setup the speakers and then scroll down a little bit, you will be able to see the 6 prong setup that the Philips speakers have.

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I recently purchased the Onkyo TX-SR444 7.1 channel receiver. I also have a Philips HTS6500 DVD Home Theater system that this receiver is now replacing. The speakers and subwoofer both still work well, so I would like to connect them to the receiver. I was able to cut off the connector from the subwoofer and hook it up to the Onkyo receiver. However, the speakers have a 6 prong connection. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to salvage the speakers? Can I cut off the connection and interwine some of the wires? Or is there an easy conversion connector that I can purchase to convert it? The receiver has the typical positive-negative speaker wire connection.

I tried posting the links, but this is my first post. However, if you just google philips hts6500 dvd home theater system and then click on the p4c philip com link (For me, it was the first one listed below the ads). Then scroll down and click onto Setup the speakers and then scroll down a little bit, you will be able to see the 6 prong setup that the Philips speakers have.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Not sure why your Philips has a six prong connection going to the left/right speakers. Best to start a thread in the speaker forum area to seek help as most people don't follow this thread.
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Not sure why your Philips has a six prong connection going to the left/right speakers. Best to start a thread in the speaker forum area to seek help as most people don't follow this thread.
Thanks Cel4145. I tried to start a new thread yesterday, but it wasn't allowing me. Perhaps because I just created my account yesterday. Today, it let me start a new thread.
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Nice information for people who just onto the speaker world
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I am looking to install in wall speakers in my basement. its a new house that came 5.1 pre-wired. My main question is the wall where the speakers would be installed has an unfinished storage room on the other side therefore there is only one side of drywall so I am wondering if they will sound bad due to lack of enclosure. Any info on this would help, thanks.
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How important is it to keep the speaker wires the same length throughout the system? I plan to keep my 12 gauge wire the same length for my front left, center and right regardless, but I thought this could be helpful information and I didn't see it mentioned here.

I am running a 7.2.4 system, so I plan to run the same length of wire for each of the four Atmos speakers, then run the same length for the two surrounds and the same lengths for the two rear speakers. I will end up with quite a bit of wire spooled up in the walls, but I'm okay with that if it is worth it.

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How important is it to keep the speaker wires the same length throughout the system? I plan to keep my 12 gauge wire the same length for my front left, center and right regardless, but I thought this could be helpful information and I didn't see it mentioned here.

I am running a 7.2.4 system, so I plan to run the same length of wire for each of the four Atmos speakers, then run the same length for the two surrounds and the same lengths for the two rear speakers. I will end up with quite a bit of wire spooled up in the walls, but I'm okay with that if it is worth it.
I've always been crazy like that and would keep the wires the same length for all of the speakers, just for peace of mind knowing there won't be any delay effects. It probably isn't critical, but it would drive me nuts to have some 6' wires and some 25' wires.
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It used to be important for timing but now room correction and avr settings do the job

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My guess is it isn't important. I googled "speed of electricity":

"Therefore, the speed of electricity in a 12-gauge copper wire is 299,792,458 meters per second x 0.951 or 285,102,627 meters per second. This is about 280,000,000 meters per second which is not very much different from the speed of electromagnetic waves (light) in vacuum."

I don't think a few yards difference in speaker wire length will matter as much as you turning your head, since sound travels much slower then electricity.
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salman from lahore pakistan sir i want to ask a anoying question i was previously having a 5.1 pioneer speaker system attached to my denon avr-1800 the problem is this the front i was having was saj-510 center was also pioneer surround was also pioneer but from a home theater htib system i assume the problem with this setup was that the front was always prominent in sense of sound they dominate the center and surround speakers now i have logitech cubes lying with me around since long is it wise to use the 5 speakers for watching movies is this is a wise desicion or stick to the pioneer is wise i dont have a bluray player i watch movies on my cpu ,p.s sorry for my grammar and spellings
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You can also place the speaker in a media stand. It will add a more stylish and functional look to your room.

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About question 3) as to where to place my speakers. I have a room that was going to have a perfect set up until I realized our sectional couch is going to be too long bringing the main listening position back about an extra foot and a half. Does having the side speakers forward of 90 degrees by say 3 inches going to affect listening? Unfortunately there is a light switch in the way and I will have to place the speaker forward a few inches since running audio and electrical in parallel is a bad idea so I can't place the speaker above the light switch.
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Hi, all. I have a set of Crystal Acoustics TX-T3 SE tower speakers and I'm in the market for a receiver that I can connect with these. One question is regarding the connection from the speaker to the receiver. I believe these speakers have binding posts (see attached pic). Do I need to purchase a receiver that also has binding posts or will spring clamps also work? I'm an audiophile newbie, so I apologize if I'm not clear in my question or haven't provided enough info. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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Surround speaker height

I am looking for information on height placement of surround side & rear speakers? I would have though ear level or slightly higher but am reading 2 or 3 feet higher which seems very high to me. Any opinions? Also where do you find a speaker stand sturdy enough to hold speakers that are about 9 inch x 14 inch?
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Hi, all. I have a set of Crystal Acoustics TX-T3 SE tower speakers and I'm in the market for a receiver that I can connect with these. One question is regarding the connection from the speaker to the receiver. I believe these speakers have binding posts (see attached pic). Do I need to purchase a receiver that also has binding posts or will spring clamps also work? I'm an audiophile newbie, so I apologize if I'm not clear in my question or haven't provided enough info. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
The type of connections on the speakers and the receiver don't matter. You simply need an electrical connection (speaker wire) between the two.
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Techno impaired newbie

First, my apologies if this thread is in the wrong forum. Please move, if so. Second, I am a techno impaired Boomer and it's possible my question is laughable. Apologies again.

When setting up my Yamaha receive and the YPAO, it always is for 5.1. I have a 7.1 speaker set up. In surround sound, how and when are those rear two speakers used. Do they come on "automatically" with a DVD playing? Am I missing something? When I have "7-channel stereo" I do get sound from those rear speakers. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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The type of connections on the speakers and the receiver don't matter. You simply need an electrical connection (speaker wire) between the two.
In connection with my previous question regarding the Crystal Acoustics tower speakers, can anyone recommend a good receiver that would work well with these? I've been reading that some receivers may not have the wattage to handle these speakers. The speakers can handle up to 400 RMS watts (Input Power). Should I be looking at a receiver that has an output of at least 200? Or does it really matter? Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thx.
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If some people would shower me in all their opinions and experience I would be very grateful. This is the first Surround sound that I will be purchasing and setting up however, I already know how to as a beginner. I do not know about placement or bi-wiring etc.. I am stuck on #1:

1) I need help with picking out an HT or stereo setup. What kind of information should I provide?

When creating a new thread in the Speaker forum for help with recommendations for an audio setup, be sure to include

1) I would love to stay under 5,000 USD. I would even be happy spending around 1,000 USD, but that may not be possible for me.

2) Primarily I will be gaming and watching movies. Listening to music is 3rd for our household.

3) We have a 5.1 Samsung H.T.I.B. that costs around 1,300 USD but is from 2013, and it has these wireless rear speakers that ruins any 5g wireless you have. HT-H7730WM

4) The size of your room.: My living room is in the middle of our house and is 10 feet by 15 feet with a 8-9 foot ceiling.

5) Any placement restrictions: We have a door attached in one corner outside the 15 by 10 seating area. There is like a mini foyer entering the room. There is a sliding glass door on the other end on the 10 foot long wall with an addition room on the other side. That room is 12 feet by 16 feet with a 10 foot ceiling.

6) Any aesthetic or size concerns.: None, we hope to stay here for a few years then purchase a home with a MUCH larger living room.

7) Any equipment you are already considering: I am in love with Denon products but only aesthetically, I work 16 hours almost everyday for a few more months. I have not even heard the equipment in store yet. (or would not consider): I do not like the look of Marantz, the readout is so small I think. I really like Klipsch and Polk Audio, but only in looks and reputation.

8) Any particular audio sonic signatures you know you prefer (e.g., you are a basshead, you have a preference for bright treble, etc.): Maybe anything goes, I cannot identify what most of the terms mean like, "Denon has sharp highs."

Thank you so much for any input available. I do not mind upgrading later when we move if I can get a better system just for our room, I am willing to not purchase the Denon AVR-X6400H and Klipsch RP-280FA, Atmos, 7.1 that I have my eyes set on. Basically If I can get Polk Audio in signature series and it still sounds okay, I would get Klipsch later. Shhh, the Wife wont see this...
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Hello!
If some people would shower me in all their opinions and experience I would be very grateful. This is the first Surround sound that I will be purchasing and setting up however, I already know how to as a beginner. I do not know about placement or bi-wiring etc.. I am stuck on #1:

1) I need help with picking out an HT or stereo setup. What kind of information should I provide?

When creating a new thread in the Speaker forum for help with recommendations for an audio setup, be sure to include

1) I would love to stay under 5,000 USD. I would even be happy spending around 1,000 USD, but that may not be possible for me.

2) Primarily I will be gaming and watching movies. Listening to music is 3rd for our household.

3) We have a 5.1 Samsung H.T.I.B. that costs around 1,300 USD but is from 2013, and it has these wireless rear speakers that ruins any 5g wireless you have. HT-H7730WM

4) The size of your room.: My living room is in the middle of our house and is 10 feet by 15 feet with a 8-9 foot ceiling.

5) Any placement restrictions: We have a door attached in one corner outside the 15 by 10 seating area. There is like a mini foyer entering the room. There is a sliding glass door on the other end on the 10 foot long wall with an addition room on the other side. That room is 12 feet by 16 feet with a 10 foot ceiling.

6) Any aesthetic or size concerns.: None, we hope to stay here for a few years then purchase a home with a MUCH larger living room.

7) Any equipment you are already considering: I am in love with Denon products but only aesthetically, I work 16 hours almost everyday for a few more months. I have not even heard the equipment in store yet. (or would not consider): I do not like the look of Marantz, the readout is so small I think. I really like Klipsch and Polk Audio, but only in looks and reputation.

8) Any particular audio sonic signatures you know you prefer (e.g., you are a basshead, you have a preference for bright treble, etc.): Maybe anything goes, I cannot identify what most of the terms mean like, "Denon has sharp highs."

Thank you so much for any input available. I do not mind upgrading later when we move if I can get a better system just for our room, I am willing to not purchase the Denon AVR-X6400H and Klipsch RP-280FA, Atmos, 7.1 that I have my eyes set on. Basically If I can get Polk Audio in signature series and it still sounds okay, I would get Klipsch later. Shhh, the Wife wont see this...
So you get lots of help, best to start a brand new thread of your own in the speakers forum: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/newthr...newthread&f=89.

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