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The andrew jones speakers are 6ohms, probably why your receiver is getting hot as it has to work harder. I would go with the reference series II, save your money and call up sounddistributers.com. They can only quote you pricing over the phone and its much better than what is listed on the site. You will be very surprised at what you can afford.

Also, Do you like having your speaker pointed in so much? Unless your seating position is dead center you might want to turn them out a tad to give a wider listening range.

You could also look for second hand klipsch reference II or older on craigslist, I found many good deals. Especially on the Rf-3 and RC-3's they sound fantastic and I see sets of two towers and center on ebay go for $250.
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The andrew jones speakers are 6ohms, probably why your receiver is getting hot as it has to work harder. I would go with the reference series II, save your money and call up sounddistributers.com. They can only quote you pricing over the phone and its much better than what is listed on the site. You will be very surprised at what you can afford.

Also, Do you like having your speaker pointed in so much? Unless your seating position is dead center you might want to turn them out a tad to give a wider listening range.

You could also look for second hand klipsch reference II or older on craigslist, I found many good deals. Especially on the Rf-3 and RC-3's they sound fantastic and I see sets of two towers and center on ebay go for $250.
Ah yes, the 6 ohms makes sense for the heat now. Good call.

I will call sounddistributors and see what they say, but I am ok with a small upgrade now, then a more significant upgrade later on to the reference ii series.

I toe in the front speakers so much for the reasons described in this linked document. It helps with the surround effect in all seating positions.
http://libinst.com/PublicArticles/Se...20Speakers.pdf

My listening position is dead center in the middle of the room. When I finished the basement and theater area, I used this dolby document to strategically place all speakers, based on where my primary seating postion would be.
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Son of a B!

I JUST bought a pair of the KF-28s for $300

Now the price of the KF-26s I was considering just went to $130, for the PAIR!

Someone will get a good deal. Tempted to buy and then sell them for more.

Edit: Nevermind, that is the price for the Polk's, not the Klipsch's

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I have a theater room that is sometimes used for music listening as well. Currently my front stage is the Pioneer C21 center and FS51 floorstanders. They are the first version of the Andrew Jones series speakers. Dual RW12 subs, and the 4 surround speakers are Mirage speakers hanging from the ceiling. I am looking for a little more efficiency when listening so music, my receiver gets really hot very quick at loud levels. Since I have the Klipsch subs, I thought it would look nice, since Klipsch speakers are more efficient, if I matched with orange woofers on the speakers as well. I would get the floor standers and matching center as well. What do you think? Good or bad idea? If good, the 26s or 28s? If bad, other suggestions? Thanks.




Alex L a klipsch representitive from the klipsch forums said this:

"For those wondering, here are the differences between Icon and this new line of Reference.
All new Reference Linear Travel Suspension tweeter design for smoother, more powerful high frequencies.
All new mechanical woofer design with seamless dustcap for minimized mid frequency diffraction and distortion.
All new Spun Copper IMG woofer cone is incredibly rigid, with new design adding structural integrity for minimal cone break up at high excursion levels. This makes for even cleaner, more accurate low frequency reproduction.
All new Brushed Polymer Veneer finish is exceptionally durable with a much more contemporary aesthetic over the previous wood grain vinyl of the Icon series."
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Interesting, thanks.
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Ah yes, the 6 ohms makes sense for the heat now. Good call.

I will call sounddistributors and see what they say, but I am ok with a small upgrade now, then a more significant upgrade later on to the reference ii series.

I toe in the front speakers so much for the reasons described in this linked document. It helps with the surround effect in all seating positions.
http://libinst.com/PublicArticles/Se...20Speakers.pdf

My listening position is dead center in the middle of the room. When I finished the basement and theater area, I used this dolby document to strategically place all speakers, based on where my primary seating postion would be.
Have you tried playing with position more? You may find toeing with the Klipsch help more than with those Pioneers due to the Horn, but In my opinion, those towers look a tad too close and too toed.
Also that center looks way too low.
All things to consider as once you get horns, you will want to get them pointed at you for more sound. That center aimed at your feet isnt going to help you. Thats the more pressing issue from what I can see.

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Good to know, I will play with it when I pick up the new towers and center. That picture is a bit dated as I have since moved the center to above the tv. I will say that I ran audyssey xt and the surround sound effect at the primary listening position is very nice!

Not that it matters, because the center is now moved, but in the picture it is angled up to point right at me.

PM Performance, did you read that pdf that I linked in my post earlier?

Thanks for the feedback.
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Good to know, I will play with it when I pick up the new towers and center. That picture is a bit dated as I have since moved the center to above the tv. I will say that I ran audyssey xt and the surround sound effect at the primary listening position is very nice!

Not that it matters, because the center is now moved, but in the picture it is angled up to point right at me.

PM Performance, did you read that pdf that I linked in my post earlier?

Thanks for the feedback.
I will check it out. I have mine towed also, but not quite that extreme and mine are probably 12-15ft apart from each other. It just looks too toed and too narrow ,but pictures can be decieving without seeing the whole room.

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I am out of town till tomorrow on business, so I can't measure the distance between the L and R. I will play with it when I pick up the new speakers tomorrow. Take a look at that pdf when you have a minute and let me know your thoughts. I would like to hear others' thoughts on it.

What is the deal with the dual speaker posts? How do I hook that up? I guess I can google.

Edit: Nevermind, I will just jumper them, easy enough.

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My L and R are about 9 feet apart. I set them as close to the dolby recommended angles as possible.
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The horn tweeter sure is a different sound, these are definitely quite a bit louder. Will need to run audyssey again so the 4 surrounds hanging from the ceiling can get caught up. I like the sound. Will probably use the Pioneers in a different room, so can go back to them if I want to later down the road.


Total price paid for all 3 speakers, plus tax:


$382





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The horn tweeter sure is a different sound, these are definitely quite a bit louder. Will need to run audyssey again so the 4 surrounds hanging from the ceiling can get caught up. I like the sound. Will probably use the Pioneers in a different room, so can go back to them if I want to later down the road.


Total price paid for all 3 speakers, plus tax:


$382





Nice set up!! Everything looks nice and clean!!
Total price paid for all 3 speakers, plus tax: $382 that's a good deal for those Icons !!
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Yea thats a really good deal for those.
Is it possible to angle the center down at all more towards you?

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Did I tell ya? Or what!! Knew that you would like them, esp. For the price.

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Thanks guys. And the center is angled down, just doesn't look like it is in the pics. But it's pointing at my head when I'm sitting.

suggested crossover frequency for the towers and center?
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Thanks guys. And the center is angled down, just doesn't look like it is in the pics. But it's pointing at my head when I'm sitting.

suggested crossover frequency for the towers and center?
If your a/v receiver has Audyssey run that and then set the X over to 80hz for all of your speakers. I have the same Icons and Audyssey will set them to a much lower hz. But that's why you have those 2 subs so they will handle the low bass.
What tools are you using to get the angles for your speakers. The pics show them really toed in a lot.
I see the above post and your method , but what tools ?

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Even set the center to 80hz? Or go a little higher on the center?

No tools, just guessed on the toe.

The dolby angles, just used geometry lol.
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I had mine towed in for some time and slowly moved them out to make the sound stage much larger. Eventually the speakers were pointed to a position behind my ears. That improved the overall sound.

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Even set the center to 80hz? Or go a little higher on the center?

No tools, just guessed on the toe.

The dolby angles, just used geometry lol.
Hey man it's your system and I'm not a pro at this stuff . Just trying to help you get the most out of it, like a lot folks on this forum helped me !! So if you want to leave it like is and you like then that's great.
But yes all speakers set to 80hz after Audyssey.
Purchase this as tool http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 and use to get the correct degrees and or close as possible. I used that tool and fishing line.
You want your left and right speakers to be at 30 degrees if possible.
Audyssey DSX Surround Speaker Placement Theory.doc 243k . file
Down load the file and then scroll down to page 2.



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Are you guys setting the toe up for music listening or home theater?

I will set the center to 80 as well then after I run audyssey. I just thought the center should be a bit higher since klipsch lists it's lowest frequency as 82hz or something
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Hey man it's your system and I'm not a pro at this stuff . Just trying to help you get the most out of it, like a lot folks on this forum helped me !! So if you want to leave it like is and you like then that's great.
But yes all speakers set to 80hz after Audyssey.
Purchase this as tool http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 and use to get the correct degrees and or close as possible. I used that tool and fishing line.
You want your left and right speakers to be at 30 degrees if possible.
Audyssey DSX Surround Speaker Placement Theory.doc 243k . file
Down load the file and then scroll down to page 2.


I think you are getting toe confused with speaker position. These are separate from each other. Speaker position I used the diagram I posted above and, like I said, used geometry to find the correct positions. You don't need a special tool to do it, you simply need a tape measure to measure distances and then use simple geometry to find the correct angles.


As far as the toe of the L and R speaker, I just guessed on those. When I say toe, I am referring to how much I rotate the L and R, not altering their position.


I read the word document you linked. That is interesting. If that is true, then I am screwed because my surrounds are all hanging from the ceiling with wire run through the walls (surround sides are over 90*). I could push my seating position back a little bit to effectively lower the angle of the surround sides, but not much. I think I will just upgrade to a 11 channel amp soon which will provide me with front wide speakers as well as front heights.

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Sounds great with all fronts set to 80hz, just watched Need for Speed. I am going to try and set the towers to 60hz and see how I like that.
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Son of a B!

I JUST bought a pair of the KF-28s for $300

Now the price of the KF-26s I was considering just went to $130, for the PAIR!

Someone will get a good deal. Tempted to buy and then sell them for more.

Edit: Nevermind, that is the price for the Polk's, not the Klipsch's
Where did you find them this cheap?
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Where did you find them this cheap?
They are bestbuy only speakers. You only have that option to get them.

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Where did you find them this cheap?
I was mistaken, those prices were for a different speaker.
I got the KF-28s for 300 for the pair and the KC-25 center for 82.
So 3 speakers for 382 plus shipping. Sorry for the confusion.
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