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Upgrade to Klipsch R-26f or R-28f

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I have a theater room that is sometimes used for music listening as well. Currently my front stage is the Pioneer C21 center and FS51 floorstanders. They are the first version of the Andrew Jones series speakers. Dual RW12 subs, and the 4 surround speakers are Mirage speakers hanging from the ceiling. I am looking for a little more efficiency when listening so music, my receiver gets really hot very quick at loud levels. Since I have the Klipsch subs, I thought it would look nice, since Klipsch speakers are more efficient, if I matched with orange woofers on the speakers as well. I would get the floor standers and matching center as well. What do you think? Good or bad idea? If good, the 26s or 28s? If bad, other suggestions? Thanks.


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I would look at the ii reference line. The new speakers are just the synergy with colored drivers.
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Is the II series that much better?
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Is the II series that much better?
Better tweeter and probably better crossover.

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What is the model number of the reference line you guys recommend?
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The RF-28 are a really nice Klipsch product. It's an Icon series and can really stand up to good clean power. I've lived with mine for two years and love them. If you can wait till Thanksgiving you'll be rewarded whit a great price at BB, 1/2 off. Now that's a deal!!! The upgrade this year do sound better. I do know this speaker inside and out.
I also own the reference 61 II and 62 II NICE SPEAKERS, BUT FOR THE PRICE COME BLACK FRIDAY YOU JUST CANT BEAT THEM.
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I use the same black thermal sound blocking curtains behind my TV as well, makes it look so much better. Nice clean look you have there.
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I could be wrong, but isnt the RF-28 the ones with the gray colored woofers? I was hoping to get some that were orange to match the subs I have. But if the gray ones are better then I can deal with the mismatched colors lol.
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Sorry, I just re-read your post and you said the new version, I am guessing you are referring to the orange R-28F, sounds better. Are you talking marginally better or are there significant improvements. The older version, RF-28 and RF-26, are both on clearance at my local best buy since the R-26F and R-28F are now on their shelves. Thanks.
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If you can scoop up the old Icons for a good deal, then I'd do that over the new line. The 6" driver is more than enough for most applications. As a matter of fact, I hear little difference except at maybe high volumes with a lot of power (125 watts+) and then the difference is marginal but YMMV.

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Hi guys,


I have a theater room that is sometimes used for music listening as well. Currently my front stage is the Pioneer C21 center and FS51 floorstanders. They are the first version of the Andrew Jones series speakers. Dual RW12 subs, and the 4 surround speakers are Mirage speakers hanging from the ceiling. I am looking for a little more efficiency when listening so music, my receiver gets really hot very quick at loud levels. Since I have the Klipsch subs, I thought it would look nice, since Klipsch speakers are more efficient, if I matched with orange woofers on the speakers as well. I would get the floor standers and matching center as well. What do you think? Good or bad idea? If good, the 26s or 28s? If bad, other suggestions? Thanks.



The Klipsch R28 etc. are very poor for the money in my experience.

They are efficient, but that is the only good thing I have heard about them.

If you want some excellent more efficient speakers that will really sound a LOT better, look at a pair of PSB Image T6 speakers with a matching Image C4 center speaker. Around $1600.

I drove them with a 40-watt integrated amplifier when I had them and never ran out of power.

Or if that is more than you want to spend, another great set would be the Wharfedale 10.4 speakers with the 10CC center speaker (around $1100).

They are both more sensitive than your Pioneer speakers, which have unusually low sensitivity. That is their one major problem, as you have discovered (they claim 87 db/watt, but in reality it is more like 85 db/watt, which is poor).

What receiver are you using?

By the way, you really have your TV and center speaker awfully low.

I suggest that you look at the Tech-Craft HBL60 stand, which will give you much more equipment room and get that center speaker up quite a bit.

Amazon sells it for $199, and detailed specs are available at the Tech-Craft website.

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Get the older 28s for $500.00 a pair. Haggle with them, they'll give it to you.
Good luck on your journey.
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The Klipsch R28 etc. are very poor for the money in my experience.

They are efficient, but that is the only good thing I have heard about them.

If you want some excellent more efficient speakers that will really sound a LOT better, look at a pair of PSB Image T6 speakers with a matching Image C4 center speaker. Around $1600.

I drove them with a 40-watt integrated amplifier when I had them and never ran out of power.

Or if that is more than you want to spend, another great set would be the Wharfedale 10.4 speakers with the 10CC center speaker (around $1100).

They are both more sensitive than your Pioneer speakers, which have unusually low sensitivity. That is their one major problem, as you have discovered (they claim 87 db/watt, but in reality it is more like 85 db/watt, which is poor).

What receiver are you using?

By the way, you really have your TV and center speaker awfully low.

I suggest that you look at the Tech-Craft HBL60 stand, which will give you much more equipment room and get that center speaker up quite a bit.

Amazon sells it for $199, and detailed specs are available at the Tech-Craft website.
How is it that you've heard so much about the R28? Are we speaking about the new rebranded Icon towers? Didn't they just come out?
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Here are the models, older version and newer version:

Old
KF-26
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/klipsch-...5003&cp=1&lp=1

KF-28
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/klipsch-...5003&cp=1&lp=2

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R-26F
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/klipsch-...5003&cp=1&lp=4

R-28F
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/klipsch-...5003&cp=1&lp=3


I can get the older versions for quite a bit less than what they are listed for on those links.
I don't need something with a ton of bass reach, thats what the subs are for, just something to provide more efficient mids and highs.

Thoughts?
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How is it that you've heard so much about the R28? Are we speaking about the new rebranded Icon towers? Didn't they just come out?
Oh, he always says that Klipsch are bad whether he has heard them or not, so that has no bearing.

Funny, I knew he had authored that post as soon as I started reading it!

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Here are the models, older version and newer version:

Old
KF-26
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/klipsch-...5003&cp=1&lp=1

KF-28
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/klipsch-...5003&cp=1&lp=2

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R-26F
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/klipsch-...5003&cp=1&lp=4

R-28F
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/klipsch-...5003&cp=1&lp=3


I can get the older versions for quite a bit less than what they are listed for on those links.
I don't need something with a ton of bass reach, thats what the subs are for, just something to provide more efficient mids and highs.

Thoughts?

You guys are mixing completely different speakers. This guy is the only one who has it right.

The "old ones" you are referring to are ICON series.
The "new ones" you are referring to are a newer cheapened up version of the Reference series

I had the Icons and currently have the Reference Vii's. I saw the RF-28's and 26's this weekend and immediately shook my head in disgrace as I noticed they cheapened the grills and feet to match the Icons.
Not sure on the driver specs, but I hope they kept those on par with the Vii's

If it were me, I would try to score some vii's from AVS and go with the 82's. I enjoy the bigger drivers over the smaller I had before. ( i had 26's and went to 82's)

Also I just sold my Icon's last week. I could barely give those damn things away. I thought they were pretty good speakers, but nice upgrade to the Reference line for sure


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No way should you pay those prices for any of those speakers. FYI, I got my F-30's for $200 each, about 1/3 of the price of some of the other options listed here. Call some of the vendors here, as they can generally give you an awesome deal. Also, it seems the KF-28/F-30/R-28F are essentially the same speaker with a different look. I really like my F-30's and didn't think the cost difference of going to a Reference series speaker was worth the price difference, and I've heard the new R-28F's in store and really didn't like them. I really don't think Best Buy does anything other than plugging the speakers into a small amp as their demo's really tend to suck.
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I can get those Icons much cheaper than the price listed in the links. Do you guys think the new R26 and R28 with the copper drivers are the same drivers from the reference series? I would think so since they named it a reference speaker. I am pretty sure these cheapened versions are replacing the Icon line.
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Oh, and someone asked what receiver I am using, Denon 2112.
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I can get those Icons much cheaper than the price listed in the links. Do you guys think the new R26 and R28 with the copper drivers are the same drivers from the reference series? I would think so since they named it a reference speaker. I am pretty sure these cheapened versions are replacing the Icon line.
No, from what all I can tell, and what I've heard, they are the Icon speakers with some new paint. Don't think of them as dressed down Reference speakers but dressed up Icon speakers.
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Ok, thanks, that is good to know, so probably not much of an upgrade then?
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I've only heard the Pioneers in a Best Buy setup, which really doesn't do any speaker justice. From what I've heard though, my F-30's are a good upgrade from the Pioneers, but I wouldn't pay that price for them.
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Do you have a budget? EMP Tek's stuff seems pretty popular for it's price range. They are probably what I'd go with when I decide to upgrade.
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Well, I don't really need to upgrade. I was just in best buy looking at TVs and say the Icons on sale for very cheap, and I mean very cheap, so I started thinking. I guess I would like to stay under 500 for the three speakers, otherwise not sure I want to upgrade right now. Maybe I should just wait.
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And when I say cheap, I mean about 150 off the link I posted a little bit ago for the KF-26s
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I just confirmed from their site they are indeed dressed up ICON's
The drivers on the Ref IV are Cerametallic and these are IMG woofers.
I didnt check the specs on the tweeter, but that and the looks say enough for me.

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I just confirmed from their site they are indeed dressed up ICON's
The drivers on the Ref IV are Cerametallic and these are IMG woofers.
I didnt check the specs on the tweeter, but that and the looks say enough for me.
So you say get the previous years' Icons?

Here is what I can get:

2 KF-28s and KC-25 center for total of $383
2 KF-26s and KC-25 center for total of $300

Thoughts?
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So you say get the previous years' Icons?

Here is what I can get:

2 KF-28s and KC-25 center for total of $383
2 KF-26s and KC-25 center for total of $300

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I would get the Prev year Ref, but thats a significantly diff price range. That budget wont even buy the center channel. lol
But from the looks of things, it might be worth saving the money and getting the ICON's. I would get the 28's though.

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ok, thanks.
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The reference ii is better 62ii fronts and 62ii center is a nice set up
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