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Don't have that type of money, I'm 23 and have 2 kids with mortgage. That's why I'm asking you guys, the guys at the bic forum recommends the bic 76. Comparable to the klipsch.
okay, can you go to the store and at least listen to the Klipsch and Polk towers?

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I have the pioneer fs52 tower speakers, they are missing that oomph that I want. Now I want to sell them, I want more clarity and depth, within or around the same price range. I found these two.



The polk audio monitor 65



Or the klipsch f20



The infinity 363s are nice too.



I have a bic f12 which I love and pioneer bs22s as rears. I can change out the rears and center over time but not all at once.

I'm looking to purchase a pair of these. What's your status now? Still selling?

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I'm looking to purchase a pair of these. What's your status now? Still selling?
The fs52s? Yea I am
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Look for the Polk rti 10 or 12s . Lots of mid bass in the chest, treble that will pierce you, great for loud parties and movies, not so great at critical music listening long term. Similarly klipsch tower.
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Polks have always been too expensive for me, it seems like if you want a good polk audio speaker, you need a higher end one
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Polks have always been too expensive for me, it seems like if you want a good polk audio speaker, you need a higher end one
They are more affordable than you think: http://stores.ebay.com/Polk-Audio-Di...=p4634.c0.m322
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Some of those bookshelves are decently cheap, I just was always look at the 300 dollar towers
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Polk RTi8's, $399 shipped
Polk RTi10's, $561 shipped

Since you got a subwoofer to handle lowend bass why not get a bookshelf speaker like the Polk RTi6's, $212.49 shipped, would work as well. There is no real benefit to having tower speakers when you have a subwoofer and you have a receiver that has good bass management software like the AVR-1713.

Before I got my Polk RTi4's and CSi3 Center I had Polk Monitor 30's with CS1. The RTi line was a huge step in terms of audio ability when I compared the two.

Polk RTi-Series in not so bright that is comparable to Klipsch speakers. Almost every Klipsch speaker I have heard (I haven't heard the mega pricey ones) has given me a head ache with in minutes of listening to them. With the RTi4's I have listened for 3 hours at high volume with no headache.
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Are they more sensitive then the pioneers I have? Louder?
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Are they more sensitive then the pioneers I have? Louder?
RTi6's are rated at 89db
RTi8's are rated at 90db

So they are rated higher than your Pioneers.

What the the settings you are using with your Towers and your receiver? Are you running them as large? or small with what crossover?
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Small, and I'll have to tell when I get home, I think 90, I'm not that sure though, I'll have to check.
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I have the pioneer fs52 tower speakers, they are missing that oomph that I want. Now I want to sell them, I want more clarity and depth, within or around the same price range. I found these two.

The polk audio monitor 65

Or the klipsch f20

The infinity 363s are nice too.

I have a bic f12 which I love and pioneer bs22s as rears. I can change out the rears and center over time but not all at once.

IMO your towers are fine. As much as you love it, I think it's your sub I'd focus on first. The BICs are decent for a serious budget, but they are what many folks call 'one hit wonders.' They hit decent at around 40 HZ, and roll off up to, and after that. Check out the measurements at Data Bass.com to see what I mean. They tested a BIC sub a while back, and while it might be a different model, they all lack a flat frequency response.


If you can spend 500-600 bucks on a good sub (see the HSU VTF 2 mk4) I think you'll get that oompf you're missing.
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Small, and I'll have to tell when I get home, I think 90, I'm not that sure though, I'll have to check.
Try running the Towers at 60hz or even large see if that helps out any. When doing this be in stereo mode soyou are just using the towers or towers and sub
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I'll try it this evening
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I'll try it this evening


How far away from the front wall are the towers? Try experimenting with that. I usually start at 2 feet from the back of the speaker to the back wall, and move forward or back. Also make sure they aren't too close to side walls. 3 feet is preferred, but certainly no less than 2 feet if it can be done.
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They are about 2.5 feet away, no side walls, nothing to distort sound or air flow
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Buy infinity primes or Polk monitor or cheap klipsch towers. Those pioneer are so overrated in my opinion. I was very surprised how disappointing they sounded when I tested them and they just look/feel cheap.
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Buy infinity primes or Polk monitor or cheap klipsch towers. Those pioneer are so overrated in my opinion. I was very surprised how disappointing they sounded when I tested them and they just look/feel cheap.
Yes, because all the independent reviews on them are wrong.

http://www.cnet.com/products/pioneer-sp-pk52fs/

http://www.audioholics.com/tower-spe...neer-sp-pk52fs

http://hometheaterreview.com/pioneer...aker-reviewed/

http://rbhsound.com/images/pdf/AH_To...e_for_2014.pdf

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Buy infinity primes or Polk monitor or cheap klipsch towers. Those pioneer are so overrated in my opinion. I was very surprised how disappointing they sounded when I tested them and they just look/feel cheap.
So which of the other three you have listed did you like better?

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Buy infinity primes or Polk monitor or cheap klipsch towers. Those pioneer are so overrated in my opinion. I was very surprised how disappointing they sounded when I tested them and they just look/feel cheap.


I agree with you. I can tell the difference in quality between my bic sub and the pioneers in just how the grill is place on the speaker.

They are over rated
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Buy infinity primes or Polk monitor or cheap klipsch towers.
I would not buy any of them - they are all over rated.
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I agree with you. I can tell the difference in quality between my bic sub and the pioneers in just how the grill is place on the speaker.
Why are you comparing a bic subwoofer to a Pioneer tower speaker?
They are 2 different designs for the frequency spectrums.

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I was comparing the build quality..
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People get the Pioneer speakers for around 150/pr and then wonder why they aren't the best speaker around? They are inexpensive for a reason! Many compromises...
The more you spend, in general of course, the less compromises you will have! But to expect great sound out of speakers that cost less than 200/pr, well, is just naive! And every review I have read says good speaker... At the price range!
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I was comparing the build quality..
I have owned many (a whole lot) of speakers and for the price, the Pioneer has good build
quality. There are more expensive speakers out there - where the build quality is below the
price point.
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People get the Pioneer speakers for around 150/pr and then wonder why they aren't the best speaker around? They are inexpensive for a reason! Many compromises...
The more you spend, in general of course, the less compromises you will have! But to expect great sound out of speakers that cost less than 200/pr, well, is just naive! And every review I have read says good speaker... At the price range!
Well there is some truth to what you are saying, but I believe a little bit of it is misleading. Sure, they are not going to the "be all end all" in speakers. But, I think why reviews mention, as you said, "at this price range" with these speakers is that many are quite taken back at the good sound quality one gets for the price paid. However, in my opinion, it is unfair to bash the speaker because of it. As consumers, we are always comparing the quality of a product we purchase versus the price we paid (who doesn't want to feel like you got a good product for the price paid?). Speakers are no different than any other consumer product in this regard. Plus, the comparisons can be said about ANY speaker line not just the Pioneer. So, it really isn't fair to single out the Pioneer vs. any other speaker line for that. They were designed for the budget minded shopper and do a damn fine job for what they were designed for. Others may agree or disagree, but I feel you are going to have to spend quite a lot more to get a significant improvement over the phase 2 line.
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How far do you sit from them? How big is your room? What frequency are they and your sub crossed at? Running any EQ like Audessy? What is your desired SPL? Mostly for music or movies?

My BS22's (with a sub) have plenty of "oomph" and punch and depth and detail in my configuration.

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I've never heard the Infinity speakers before I just know they were supposed to be a great deal for the price I don't have a frys around me all I have to work with is a Best Buy
Where do live? Most people don't realize how many dealers are around them because those dealers aren't in large buildings on the main roads with giant signs. Many will be in a business park with about 4k sq ft.

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The last one. I want a speaker in the 100 to 170 price range, with the dynamic range and depth. That the pioneers didn't deliver
It may not be their fault.

The perception of lack of oomph is often due to problems with choice or deployment of subwoofer(s).

This post is relevant and makes my point:

"My BS22's (with a sub) have plenty of "oomph" and punch and depth and detail in my configuration."

Thousands of people can probably say the same thing.

The key words are: "In my configuration".

You might be like a guy who can't hit the target who wants to buy a new gun instead of just practicing his marksmanship.

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