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Yea I have a few, including master and commander, what's your volume at on the dub, gain.
It looks like it is closer to 30 on the actual nob itself. But, you are going to have to play with it to get it fine tuned to 0. If you aren't happy after going through the steps outlined above, I would try to borrow a more powerful sub from a friend if possible and see if that makes a difference. I believe in the owner's thread it was recommended that you need a sub that truly goes down to 20 hz. In the thread one mentioned was the SVS PB-1000.
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What does the f12 go to? If I was going to buy another sub the budget would be 300, I understand the svs series is a good sub, but I simply can't afford it.
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What does the f12 go to? If I was going to buy another sub the budget would be 300, I understand the svs series is a good sub, but I simply can't afford it.
I'm not sure about your sub. Perhaps a more experienced user could help there...

But, what i will say is that what seems to be the best consensus budget sub under the SVS sub is the NXG 500 http://www.amazon.com/NXG-Technology...ywords=nxg+500

Not sure how it compares to what you already have though.
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I'm not sure about your sub. Perhaps a more experienced user could help there...

But, what i will say is that what seems to be the best consensus budget sub under the SVS sub is the NXG 500 http://www.amazon.com/NXG-Technology...ywords=nxg+500

Not sure how it compares to what you already have though.
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Yes, that is the setting on the AVR. I have the Denon X2000 which comes with Audyssey. After running Audyssey, it will set your levels and crossover. First thing you need to do is the following:

1. Run Audyssey, first mic position only and "calculate"
2. Look to see where Audyssey has set your subwoofer channel level, you want it to be around 0. If it set it to a low negative number, you want to turn the gain (volume) up on the sub and run it again. Repeat until the subwoofer channel level is near 0.
3. Run the full Audyssey calibration
4.. After running Audyssey, make sure your receiver has all the speakers set to small. I read through the whole Pioneer official thread and from what I gathered, I saw both 80 hz and 100 hz recommended. I went with 80 (Just an FYI, but Audyssey set my rear crossovers to 110. After checking in the official Pioneer thread, it was recommended I leave the rears set there and adjust the towers and center to the 80 hz).
5. Then enjoy!

Here's the official Pioneer thread: Pioneer's Speaker Genius Hits Low Price Point
What do I set the crossover know to on the sub before audyssey?
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What do I set the crossover know to on the sub before audyssey?
You could start by setting it at the halfway mark like it says and then go from there.
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Thanks I'm running it currently
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I don't think it's helping that I have wireless transmitter for my sub
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I don't think it's helping that I have wireless transmitter for my sub
What are all of your speakers crossovers?
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What are all of your speakers crossovers?
Have you followed the steps in post 84 and got the sub level to 0 yet? That is priority number 1. That must be accomplished for listening position 1 before you can continue through the full Audyssey calibration and worry about the speaker crossovers?
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It's not budging from 12 db
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It's not budging from 12 db
-12? If so, turn the nob down, then run it again from listening position 1, then calculate again and see where it is. It should have then changed to something like (-9 for example.). Keep adjusting and reruning from position 1 until it gets to 0.
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Does using the rocket fish wireless transmitter ma tter?

Yea -12
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Does using the rocket fish wireless transmitter ma tter?

Yea -12
I wouldn't think the wireless transmitter would. Adjust the nob down a little bit and rerun. You should then have a number smaller than -12. Keep adjusting and rerunning until you get to 0 on the receiver. It takes a while to get it fine tuned to 0.
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Ok I'll rerun it, I gave up and started bf4..
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I am supposed to be adjusting the crossover knob everytime right?

Because I had it in the middle (100) then adjusted to 80. Still not budging from negative 12.

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I am supposed to be adjusting the crossover knob everytime right?

Because I had it in the middle (100) then adjusted to 80. Still not budging from negative 12.
I'm not familiar with your particular sub. But, I believe you should be turning the volume (gain) nob each time you run Audyssey from listening position 1, then choose "calculate" to see what the sub level is. Continue adjusting the nob in the direction that gets you closer to 0 (on the AVR). You continue the process until it is set to 0, then run Audyssey for the rest of the listening positions (no more adjusting the nob while it finishes running).
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Is the NXG pro sub 125 any good?
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Is the NXG pro sub 125 any good?
I don't know anything about that sub. I've only read about the NXG 500, which is supposed to be the best budget sub (under $500).
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Go with the NXG 500
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any luck getting the receiver to set the subwoofer level to 0?
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It looks like it is closer to 30 on the actual nob itself. But, you are going to have to play with it to get it fine tuned to 0. If you aren't happy after going through the steps outlined above, I would try to borrow a more powerful sub from a friend if possible and see if that makes a difference. I believe in the owner's thread it was recommended that you need a sub that truly goes down to 20 hz. In the thread one mentioned was the SVS PB-1000.
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any luck getting the receiver to set the subwoofer level to 0?
My daughter woke up from her nap and the test tones scare her, so I never got to finish.

So If i were to get my fronts the way I like them, and instead get a new sub or keep the f12 and add another sub, what do you reccomend, up to 350-400 dollars. Front firing is prefered.
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OP I'd like to offer another option to you, the Polk Monitor 70 Series II tower speakers. <- those are brand new being sold by Polk Audio with full warranty

Each tower has 4 high-excursion 6.5" woofers, they move more air than a single 12" woofer with the same excursion - and they do so with incredible accuracy. As an owner of these speakers I can assure you they are true full-range speakers, and they hit very hard and produce tight, deep bass. Now their low-end extension isn't as good as some dedicated subwoofers, however I'd wager you won't get much better (or maybe not even any better) from subs in the $350-$400 sub range. And remember you get TWO tower speakers so it's like adding TWO 12" subs. With that setup you could then place your current sub nearfield and use it to shake your couch more. This is all from my own personal experience with them, ymmv of course.

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OP I'd like to offer another option to you, the Polk Monitor 70 Series II tower speakers. <- those are brand new being sold by Polk Audio with full warranty

Each tower has 4 high-excursion 6.5" woofers, they move more air than a single 12" woofer with the same excursion - and they do so with incredible accuracy. As an owner of these speakers I can assure you they are true full-range speakers, and they hit very hard and produce tight, deep bass. Now their low-end extension isn't as good as some dedicated subwoofers, however I'd wager you won't get much better (or maybe not even any better) from subs in the $350-$400 sub range. And remember you get TWO tower speakers so it's like adding TWO 12" subs. With that setup you could then place your current sub nearfield and use it to shake your couch more. This is all from my own personal experience with them, ymmv of course.
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If I can figure out how to get the sub and pioneers to play nice, I won't even have to get new fronts.
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You could start by setting it at the halfway mark like it says and then go from there.
That is not correct. The crossover should be set as high as possible to allow the receiver to control the crossover point. Using both crossovers just confuses the issue.

I believe that what you meant was that the volume control on the sub should be adjusted as others have said until the result of the Audessey program is 0 dB.
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That is not correct. The crossover should be set as high as possible to allow the receiver to control the crossover point. Using both crossovers just confuses the issue.

I believe that what you meant was that the volume control on the sub should be adjusted as others have said until the result of the Audessey program is 0 dB.
Oh ok. That was my problem then. I'll try again tomorrow evening.
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