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needing that oomph that the fs52s are missing

I have the pioneer fs52 tower speakers, they are missing that oomph that I want. Now I want to sell them, I want more clarity and depth, within or around the same price range. I found these two.

The polk audio monitor 65

Or the klipsch f20

The infinity 363s are nice too.

I have a bic f12 which I love and pioneer bs22s as rears. I can change out the rears and center over time but not all at once.
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I also have a denon 1713
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The Infinity P363 are available from Amazon - right now they are being sold by another party through Amazon for $170 each, but when Amazon has them back in stock they are only $110 each with free shipping!

Infinity Primus P363 Three-way dual 6-1/2-Inch Floorstanding Speaker (Black, Each)

The Polk New Monitor 65T and 75T are also great speakers that are clearance right now - best place to get them seems to be Newegg.com - the Polk 75T are sold out so I would expect the 65T to be close behind:

Polk Audio Monitor Series New Monitor 65T Three-Way Ported Floorstanding Loudspeaker (Black) Single - $140 each

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Well if someone would buy my speakers on craigslist, those polks look good. What's a good price for 2 pioneer towers that are 3 months old?
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What about the klipsch?
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The polk audio monitor 65

Or the klipsch f20

The infinity 363s are nice too.

I have a bic f12 which I love and pioneer bs22s as rears. I can change out the rears and center over time but not all at once.
While you may get more so-called punch - overall it would be more of a lateral move for me.

There is only so much you can get on the budget friendly side - there are different compromises.

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While you may get more so-called punch - overall it would be more of a lateral move for me.

There is only so much you can get on the budget friendly side - there are different compromises.

Your call
What about the bic tower speakers, they get good reviews on amazon, and I love the sub.
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The Pioneer speakers do have a laid back presentation which is appealing to people like me. The opposite would be Klipsch which are fairly agressive. That would be the way for you to go.
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The Pioneer speakers do have a laid back presentation which is appealing to people like me. The opposite would be Klipsch which are fairly agressive. That would be the way for you to go.
Don't get me wrong, they are a good speaker. I liked the rears, but I was expecting more, something louder, seems like it takes more to drive them with my avr, and horns on the klipsch are pretty loud from what I hear.
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What about the bic tower speakers, they get good reviews on amazon, and I love the sub.
Well they will be on the bright side - if that is your cup of tea - they will play loud.

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What would be considered bright audio.
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What would be considered bright audio.
One description > can/may cause ear fatigue - not comfortable listening to over extended periods.

Also, the treble tends to play higher than the mids and bass.

No one can guarantee anything for you - as no one can speak for your ears > some people like bright.

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Well I dont really want the fatigue, we play video game a lot of the time, and usual weekend night movies. Klipsch known for the fatigue?
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One persons bright is another persons shrill. Speakers are a very personal thing. Best you listen in person.
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I listened to the Klipsch speakers at Best Buy and I know they were higher level speakers than the ones I prefer. I like them over the Pioneer speakers even though the listening space wasn't ideal for the speakers and it was a quick 2 minute listen
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I've never heard the Infinity speakers before I just know they were supposed to be a great deal for the price I don't have a frys around me all I have to work with is a Best Buy
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Don't get me wrong, they are a good speaker. I liked the rears, but I was expecting more, something louder, seems like it takes more to drive them with my avr, and horns on the klipsch are pretty loud from what I hear.
They are high in sensitivity so it takes less to drive them. Your impression is the reverse of reality. You say the horns are pretty loud from what you hear. Apparently you haven't heard them. Why not do that?
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What would be considered bright audio.
Bright means having a forward treble - the opposite of the Pioneer. Most people confuse accuracy with brightness because they are taught that darkness is preferable. Go do some listening and decide for yourself.
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You say the horns are pretty loud from what you hear. Apparently you haven't heard them. Why not do that?
I meant from what people say, they say the horns make them louder.
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I have the pioneer fs52 tower speakers, they are missing that oomph that I want. Now I want to sell them, I want more clarity and depth, within or around the same price range. I found these two.

The polk audio monitor 65

Or the klipsch f20

The infinity 363s are nice too.

I have a bic f12 which I love and pioneer bs22s as rears. I can change out the rears and center over time but not all at once.
Begs the question what gives speakers ooomph?

If it is due to a subwoofer subsytem with more dynamic range or better uniformity of response, then better subs and/or more of them is the answer. Usually its a combination of the two because adding more cheap subs to get more dynamic range is the expensive way to go. Better to get subs with more dynamic range per sub.

If it is due to variations in on-axis frequency response then the tool of choice is an equalizer, not yet another speaker.

If it due to room interactions, then room acoustics might be a more fruitful path.

If it is dynamic range, then obviously a speaker with more dynamic range would be the fix. Trouble is that speaker manufacturers for the most part don't do a wonderful job of portraying this on their spec sheets.
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For more "punch" you should also consider upgrading your sub first and leaving your existing front speakers. Have you thought about a second matching sub or getting a better sub like one of the offerings from SVS, HSU, or Outlaw Audio?

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Begs the question what gives speakers ooomph?

If it is due to a subwoofer subsytem with more dynamic range or better uniformity of response, then better subs and/or more of them is the answer. Usually its a combination of the two because adding more cheap subs to get more dynamic range is the expensive way to go. Better to get subs with more dynamic range per sub.

If it is due to variations in on-axis frequency response then the tool of choice is an equalizer, not yet another speaker.

If it due to room interactions, then room acoustics might be a more fruitful path.

If it is dynamic range, then obviously a speaker with more dynamic range would be the fix. Trouble is that speaker manufacturers for the most part don't do a wonderful job of portraying this on their spec sheets.
The last one. I want a speaker in the 100 to 170 price range, with the dynamic range and depth. That the pioneers didn't deliver
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What do you mean by "depth"? Still not sure what you meant by "oomph" either.

Now if by all of this, you mean you want more volume than the Pioneers can provide when pushed, that makes sense

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Yes. All of that combined, everyone is reading into thi. as in "oomph" and depth I mean, power, detail in the sound. The sub is fine, bass is fine. The pioneers felt like they are lacking something.
If I can't afford the 300 to 500 dollar tower speakers that give me what I need, why do you think I can afford a 500 dollar svs sub.

Am I asking too much for my price range? Should I lower my expectations?

The polk 26 or the klipsch f20. Those are the two I'm comparing. The 363 infinity, seems to be too similar to pioneers. And I haven't heard too much on the bic acoustech towers.
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I think the only way you'll find what you are looking for with certainty is to do some listening to other speakers.

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I think the only way you'll find what you are looking for with certainty is to do some listening to other speakers.
I'll have to find a audio store in my area, since all we have is a best that has the higher end stuff, other than pioneers
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Beware, you mentioned changing the towers for different ones leaving the center and rear for later. I assume the oomph you are talking about is for movies/games, not music, correct?

If you go for a brighter speaker or a colored speaker (Polk), keeping the Pioneer Center channel may be even a bigger problem as it won't be timbre matched with whichever LR speaker you go for. Consider changing all 3 front speakers at once. In my experience, the BS22s do great as surround.

Lastly, don't be fixated that it has to be towers for your LR speakers. Specially at your price range, good bookshelves with give you a better value.

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I'll have to find a audio store in my area, since all we have is a best that has the higher end stuff, other than pioneers
If you're just comparing the Klipsch F20 and Polk Monitor 65 speaker your best buy has those or a comparable model. Take them home and see which one sounds best to you. Return the loser.

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Don't have that type of money, I'm 23 and have 2 kids with mortgage. That's why I'm asking you guys, the guys at the bic forum recommends the bic 76. Comparable to the klipsch.
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Beware, you mentioned changing the towers for different ones leaving the center and rear for later. I assume the oomph you are talking about is for movies/games, not music, correct?

If you go for a brighter speaker or a colored speaker (Polk), keeping the Pioneer Center channel may be even a bigger problem as it won't be timbre matched with whichever LR speaker you go for. Consider changing all 3 front speakers at once. In my experience, the BS22s do great as surround.

Lastly, don't be fixated that it has to be towers for your LR speakers. Specially at your price range, good bookshelves with give you a better value.
I was also going to change everything else over time. Then what book shelf do you recommend that give the same kick?
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