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Need bookshelf speakers as fronts

I have the pioneer fs 52 as fronts right now. But want something with more power, that is under 300 dollars, I thought about klipsch or bic. I don't mind harshness.
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What do you have pushing them? Do you have a sub? Those Pioneers do well with more power.


I personally wouldn't go from those Pioneers for any bookshelf under $300 full retail. You might be disappointed. The Klipsch RB 61 II would be acceptable but it's 500 bucks.


If those Pioneers have a drawback it's that you have to spend a lot more to get much more than what they already provide. They are a phenomenal value.
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I have a denon 1713, and the bic f12 which works well for the room. I just expect more from the speakers.
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I have the pioneer fs 52 as fronts right now. But want something with more power, that is under 300 dollars, I thought about klipsch or bic. I don't mind harshness.
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Are those better than the pioneers?
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Are those better than the pioneers?
That is why I recommended them - can work nicely with your subwoofer. >>
Also, you will get some clarity, detail and definition that you are looking for.

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What's the difference between those and the 350s?
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Why the change to bookshelf speakers?
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What's the difference between those and the 350s?
More punch - and better bass

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I would go with the HSU HB-1 MK2 bookshelves. These are horn-loaded and offer excellent dynamics and clarity, and I think are just what you are looking for. Paired with the F-12 you will have a great sounding system.

http://hsuresearch.com/products/hb-1.html

Another good option is the HTD Level Three bookshelves, they use a ribbon tweeter and from what I have read are great competitors in this price range.
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I would go with the HSU HB-1 MK2 bookshelves. These are horn-loaded and offer excellent dynamics and clarity, and I think are just what you are looking for. Paired with the F-12 you will have a great sounding system.

http://hsuresearch.com/products/hb-1.html

Another good option is the HTD Level Three bookshelves, they use a ribbon tweeter and from what I have read are great competitors in this price range.
Those Hsu's have been getting great reviews. I haven't heard them myself, but I am a fan of their subs.

http://stereomojo.com/HSU%20HB1%20Mk...akerReview.htm

http://hometheaterreview.com/hsu-res...aker-reviewed/

http://www.cnet.com/news/hsu-researc...ater-speakers/

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Darn, I need a place around me that I can test these out. Not go on heresay like I did on the pioneers
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Book shelves produce the power to be used as front speakers in a everyday used living room, in place of the pioneers?
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Darn, I need a place around me that I can test these out. Not go on heresay like I did on the pioneers
Hsu is Internet direct, and they offer a 30 day money back guarantee. (I think you have to pay return shipping, though...you can call them and ask.)

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Good idea, this also depends if I can sell my pioneers, been on craigslist for a couple weeks now. Can only buy new speakers if I sell the older ones, by orders of wife
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Book shelves produce the power to be used as front speakers in a everyday used living room, in place of the pioneers?
Your sub will handle the bass, and typically you set an 80Hz crossover meaning the lower extension of towers is unnecessary. Those HSU speakers also have a higher sensitivity than the Pioneers and a higher impedance meaning they will play louder and be easier to drive with your receiver.

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Your sub will handle the bass, and typically you set an 80Hz crossover meaning the lower extension of towers is unnecessary. Those HSU speakers also have a higher sensitivity than the Pioneers and a higher impedance meaning they will play louder and be easier to drive with your receiver.
Okay thanks for the help guys, but more recommendations do help.
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Those HSU speakers also have a higher sensitivity than the Pioneers and a higher impedance meaning they will play louder and be easier to drive with your receiver.
They may play louder - however, only so much

They average around 86 db sensitivity from 300 to 10 khz

And they will dip to 4.4 ohms - Pioneer stays above that

From Sound and Vision >>>
Frequency response of the HB-1 MK2 measures 59 Hz to 20 kHz ±4.3 dB on-axis, ±3.0 dB avg 0°-30°.
That's pretty flat overall, and especially impressive in the off-axis response. Measured impedance is
4.4 ohms minimum, 8 ohms average. Sensitivity from 300 Hz to 10 kHz averages 85.7 dB.

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Good idea, this also depends if I can sell my pioneers, been on craigslist for a couple weeks now. Can only buy new speakers if I sell the older ones, by orders of wife
Might or might not pass WAF but probably a speaker you'd like for the high output capabilities even with a modest amp like yours and price is good too.... the Behringer B215XL http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/B215XL.aspx

Check out iMagic's thread Behringer Eurolive B215XL 15" 2-Way as L/R Mains

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Klipsch. They have an aggressive sound that some people love. Others find fatiguing. Probably what you are looking for.

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They may play louder - however, only so much

They average around 86 db sensitivity from 300 to 10 khz

And they will dip to 4.4 ohms - Pioneer stays above that

From Sound and Vision >>>
Frequency response of the HB-1 MK2 measures 59 Hz to 20 kHz ±4.3 dB on-axis, ±3.0 dB avg 0°-30°.
That's pretty flat overall, and especially impressive in the off-axis response. Measured impedance is
4.4 ohms minimum, 8 ohms average. Sensitivity from 300 Hz to 10 kHz averages 85.7 dB.
What does all of this mean
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Google speaker sensitivity and then speaker impedance.

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Speaker don't have power (passive ones, at least), so the "power" comes from the amp in the reciever. Speaker have a sensitivity rating that affect how much power it will take to make them loud. The sensitivity of the Pioneer speakers is pretty low, so they are not designed to play real loud.
I own the the def tech sm450 and they sound very good. However, they also are not a high sensitivity speaker (90db rating, which isn't accurate IMHO)!
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This page explains sensitivity well:


http://electronics.howstuffworks.com...ensitivity.htm

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What are going to do with the center channel? Using your center channel, Pioneer C22, with any speaker you trade the FS22 with, may sound weird, it will probably be worse trade off, than the added "oomph" you are looking for.

I suggest you consider either changing all 3 speakers (probably around $600 to something that'll have a tangible difference) or selling all 3 pioneers and get just the LR with phantom center.

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I own the the def tech sm450 and they sound very good. However, they also are not a high sensitivity speaker (90db rating, which isn't accurate IMHO)!
Definitive did good - they only missed it by 1 db > they measured to be 89 db sensitive - which is
good for a bookshelf speaker.

Don B Keele measured them in the Audio Critic review

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What is a good sensitivity I should look for?
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What is a good sensitivity I should look for?
No good answer. You just want your various speakers to have similar sensitivities.

There are very good speakers that are inefficient (low sensitivity), and very good speakers that are highly efficient. Ditto for poor speakers. There is no direct correlation between sensitivity and how "good" a speaker is.

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What is a good sensitivity I should look for?
The higher the sensitivity number the less amp you need is one way to look at it but its up to you, the speaker still needs to sound good to you.

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Do those Def techs have good sensitivity? How about the bic acoustech ft- 6t towers. I know they are towers.
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