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Small space 5.2 channel suggestion

Hi,

I have a space 12 x 7 feet for movie with a projector.
It is not a 4 wall room. It is an open space area and it is only one wall for projector.

Recently i got a Onkyo htn rc550 amplifier and i need to find a 5.2 audio system for that. I don't necessary need 2 sub woofer as long as the sound is good and i don't need over bass.

I know it is kind of not big space and I am keep searching what kind of speaker i should use. I saw Fluance AVHTB/SXHTB seems pretty good review. And other like Polk and Pioneer. And i also saw people suggest buying it separately rather than a set.

My budget would be around $500 (I may get the good subwoofer in the future e.g. BIC F12) and mostly I use it for movie/TV.

I am familiar with headphone/earphone but i am kind of new on audio system.

Would be nice to hear some suggestions here. I live in Canada.

Thanks!

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Please note that the size of the entire open space (including adjacent rooms open to the listening room) determines the size of your theater space when it come to speaker selection - and especially sub selection.

Some other questions:

Do you want front tower speakers or bookshelf speakers on a shelf or on stands?
Do you have some existing small / bookshelf speakers that you could use for surrounds?
Any possibility of a higher budget?

The minimum sub that most here would recommend is this one:

Dayton Audio SUB-1200 12" 120 Watt Powered Subwoofer - $129 free ship

That would only leave $370 for the other 5 speakers which is a VERY tight budget.

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These towers and center would fit you remaining $370 budget (assuming you have some existing speakers for surrounds) - this is a LOT of speaker for the money:

Fronts: Infinity Primus P363 Three-way dual 6-1/2-Inch Floorstanding Speaker (Black, Each) - $110 each when available directly from Amazon - as recently as yesterday, check back often - when sold by other sellers they are much more expensive



Center: Infinity Primus PC251 Two-way dual 5-1/4-Inch Speaker (Each, Center-Channel, Black) - $150

If you can find any way to increase your budget, this center speaker is $50 more and is a much better center (the most important speaker in your home theater)

Infinity Primus PC351 Three-way dual 5-1/4-Inch Speaker (Each, Center-Channel, Black)


2-Ch (HT L/R): Oppo BDP-105 BD, Adcom GFP-750 pre, Bryston 10B Sub Xover, Bryston 4BSST2 / Paradigm Signature S4 v.2 (L/R), (2) SVS SB12-NSD (Subs)
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^^ A lot of speaker is right. Really, really surprises me. I was also very surprised by the EMP Tek E5Bi bookshelf speakers for $250/pair (that also have a smaller $125/pair speakers that one can use for the rears). Anyway, the O.P. can read Andrew Robinson's review (the only review I've seen) in case he can't fit those towers (sure hope he can, though -- it's an incredible value) :

Since it's an I.D. company it has a 30 day trial period with free shipping both ways….

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^^ A lot of speaker is right. Really, really surprises me. I was also very surprised by the EMP Tek E5Bi bookshelf speakers for $250/pair (that also have a smaller $125/pair speakers that one can use for the rears). Anyway, the O.P. can read Andrew Robinson's review here on the EMP Tek (the only review I've seen) in case he can't fit those towers (sure hope he can, though -- it's an incredible value) : http://www.**************.com/speake...l#.U-FxICgbR0c

Since it's an I.D. company it has a 30 day trial period with free shipping both ways….
EMP does not pay return shipping. About a year ago they took off free return shipping and reduced their prices to account for that. But they would be a good recommendation, 2 pairs of E5Bi and the E5Ci center would be great for a small space.

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Please note that the size of the entire open space (including adjacent rooms open to the listening room) determines the size of your theater space when it come to speaker selection - and especially sub selection.

Some other questions:

Do you want front tower speakers or bookshelf speakers on a shelf or on stands?
Do you have some existing small / bookshelf speakers that you could use for surrounds?
Any possibility of a higher budget?

The minimum sub that most here would recommend is this one:

Dayton Audio SUB-1200 12" 120 Watt Powered Subwoofer - $129 free ship

That would only leave $370 for the other 5 speakers which is a VERY tight budget.
Hi,

My living room is at the second floor like the picture i attached. But i have 2 partitions one for movie and one for my office. So it is very open area.

I never heard of the speaker you mentions. I will take a look. But for a quick search, it seems like i cannot find it in Canada easily or as cheap as you mentioned.

I have some speakers but they are not good and that's why i want to replace them.

Thanks.
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EMP does not pay return shipping. About a year ago they took off free return shipping and reduced their prices to account for that. But they would be a good recommendation, 2 pairs of E5Bi and the E5Ci center would be great for a small space.
Thanks for the clarification, Trans. You are right, it's free one-way shipping and not the shipping back.
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These towers and center would fit you remaining $370 budget (assuming you have some existing speakers for surrounds) - this is a LOT of speaker for the money:

Fronts: Infinity Primus P363 Three-way dual 6-1/2-Inch Floorstanding Speaker (Black, Each) - $110 each when available directly from Amazon - as recently as yesterday, check back often - when sold by other sellers they are much more expensive



Center: Infinity Primus PC251 Two-way dual 5-1/4-Inch Speaker (Each, Center-Channel, Black) - $150

If you can find any way to increase your budget, this center speaker is $50 more and is a much better center (the most important speaker in your home theater)

Infinity Primus PC351 Three-way dual 5-1/4-Inch Speaker (Each, Center-Channel, Black)

Hi,

I only can find Infinity Primus P253BK and it is $113.49 each. It seem like one step back model but more expensive.

And i just look at the spec of my amplifier. It said: 80 watts minimum continuous power per channel, 8 ohm loads, 2 channels driven from 20 Hz to 20 kHz, with a maximum total harmonic distortion of 0.7% (FTC).

Is the speaker about able to use it on my amplifier? It look a little bit not powerful enough to run them.

Thanks.
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How about JBL Studio 180? It is $99/each now and JBL Studio 130 $152/pair
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How about JBL Studio 180? It is $99/each now and JBL Studio 130 $152/pair
With a subwoofer - I would pick the Studio 130 - however, it still has nice bass down to 60 hz,
I would also pick up the 120 center channel.

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With a subwoofer - I would pick the Studio 130 - however, it still has nice bass down to 60 hz,
I would also pick up the 120 center channel.
I am thinking to get a pair of 180 ($250) and a pair of 130 ($150). Total would be $400.
And not sure if i can find 120 somewhere cheaper.

But it is missing subwoofer. I hope it would not too bad for my limited space.
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I am thinking to get a pair of 180 ($250) and a pair of 130 ($150). Total would be $400.
And not sure if i can find 120 somewhere cheaper.

But it is missing subwoofer. I hope it would not too bad for my limited space.
The 180 can work for you - and if you can place a center channel vertical, then I would
get another pair of the 130 and use 1 as the center channel - having a spare speaker is
worth it at that price.

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I am thinking to get a pair of 180 ($250) and a pair of 130 ($150). Total would be $400.
And not sure if i can find 120 somewhere cheaper.

But it is missing subwoofer. I hope it would not too bad for my limited space.
You could do three 180 for LCR, if you have the space for it, instead of buying a sideways center channel.

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You could do three 180 for LCR, if you have the space for it, instead of buying a sideways center channel.
Three 180 seems take too much room.
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I think i will go for JBL 180 + JBL 130. I think they have good bass for my room if not i will add the sub later.

The problem for me is this model seems discontinues already. It is hard to find the center.

Any recommendation for the center that can fit with JBL 180 + 130?

Also how can i hook up 130 on the stand? I have a standard stand but It seems like the speaker don't have hole for that


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The 120C is the matching center, looks like there are some on Amazon.

The 130s would just sit on the stand. Use some Blue Tak to stick them to the base if you want more stability, but they should be fine assuming you have a decent stand. Look into something metal, or one that can be filled with a weighted material.

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As zieglj01 mentioned, i can use 130 for the center also.

How's the performance? Is it big different than 120C?

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I would take it over the 120C assuming you can place it vertically. If you need a horizontal center then go with the 120C.

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As zieglj01 mentioned, i can use 130 for the center also.

How's the performance? Is it big different than 120C?
The performance of the 130 is good - it measures well, and is a better option for center channel.
Vertical radiation is the preferred choice > If one can not do that - then buy the 120

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The 180 can work for you - and if you can place a center channel vertical, then I would
get another pair of the 130 and use 1 as the center channel - having a spare speaker is
worth it at that price.

Your call
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The 120C is the matching center, looks like there are some on Amazon.

The 130s would just sit on the stand. Use some Blue Tak to stick them to the base if you want more stability, but they should be fine assuming you have a decent stand. Look into something metal, or one that can be filled with a weighted material.
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The performance of the 130 is good - it measures well, and is a better option for center channel.
Vertical radiation is the preferred choice > If one can not do that - then buy the 120
Thanks Zieglij01 & Transmaniacon, i have room to put it vertical. As it comes as pair, i need to think how i can use another single one.
I think i will go for 2 pairs of 130 and a pair of 180. Hope the bass is strong enough.

The last question, how do you guys rate this setup and the pioneer sp-fs52 set?
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Thanks Zieglij01 & Transmaniacon, i have room to put it vertical. As it comes as pair, i need to think how i can use another single one.
I think i will go for 2 pairs of 130 and a pair of 180. Hope the bass is strong enough.
I would just put the other 130 in a closet and keep it as a backup or perhaps in the future buy another 180 and use the pair of 130s as surrounds.

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I would just put the other 130 in a closet and keep it as a backup or perhaps in the future buy another 180 and use the pair of 130s as surrounds.
I think i will check again if i can put 180 horizontal at my tv set. If it doesn't look too bad, i may get a 180 for the center.
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I think i will check again if i can put 180 horizontal at my tv set. If it doesn't look too bad, i may get a 180 for the center.
I would only go with the 180 if you can put it vertically as well. It will not work properly laying on it's side. The 130 placed vertically sounds like your best option.
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I think i will check again if i can put 180 horizontal at my tv set. If it doesn't look too bad, i may get a 180 for the center.
The 180 would need to be vertical - do not turn the 180 horizontal.

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The 180 would need to be vertical - do not turn the 180 horizontal.
Then it will not be a choice for me. I will get a bookshelf speaker then.
Thanks, Zieglij01
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I just saw a sale on Energy Take Classic II 5.1 Speaker System recently for $450 and did some research said they were great speaker.

Do you guys know, for the sound respective, they are huge different compare with JBL 180 + 130?

They are smaller and they fit the stand I have now. As 130 is bookshelf speaker and i need to buy another stand for that.

Would like to hear you guys opinion.

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The JBLs are a much better choice in my opinion. Small satellites like the Energy's have physical limitations, and won't be able to match the dynamics and output of the bigger JBLs.

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I just saw a sale on Energy Take Classic II 5.1 Speaker System recently for $450 and did some research said they were great speaker.

Do you guys know, for the sound respective, they are huge different compare with JBL 180 + 130?

They are smaller and they fit the stand I have now. As 130 is bookshelf speaker and i need to buy another stand for that.

Would like to hear you guys opinion.
The JBL is clearly the better option

Your call - it is up to you

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The JBLs are a much better choice in my opinion. Small satellites like the Energy's have physical limitations, and won't be able to match the dynamics and output of the bigger JBLs.
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The JBL is clearly the better option

Your call - it is up to you
Thanks guys!
I just ordered JBLs speaker and all the cables!

I cannot wait to hear the sound!!
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Thanks guys!
I just ordered JBLs speaker and all the cables!

I cannot wait to hear the sound!!
Enjoy the adventure

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