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Home Theater System Suggestions

Looking for a brand new 5.1 surround system.
My living room is 17' deep, and 25' wide.

I need the works; receiver, speakers, sub.

So far I am considering going with Polk, what do you think of this setup?

Denon AVR-X2100
Polk RTI A1 (fronts)
Polk CSI A4 (center)
Polk 620 RT (rear ceiling)
Polk PSW110 (sub)

Or should I go with the Denon AVR-X1100?

My local audio store was trying to say the Paradigm lineup (Atom and CS1 center) is better too but it is more expensive and I am wondering if it is worth it.

What about Cambridge or even Pioneer?

Too many choices!
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What is your budget?

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Budget is $2500 but I am alright with spending less
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Here is what I would recommend, Polk has an official Ebay store where you can get great deals on new speakers with warranties. Last year's Denon will save you money and this SVS sub will literally eat that Polk.

Denon AVR-X2000
Polk RTi6
Polk CSi5
Polk OWM3
SVS PB-2000

Total: $1750

This leaves you some to get speaker wire, stands, and any other cables you might need.
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Here is what I would recommend, Polk has an official Ebay store where you can get great deals on new speakers with warranties. Last year's Denon will save you money and this SVS sub will literally eat that Polk.
Trans, that is ridiculous, the SVS sub does not have a mouth or a digestive tract for that matter, how is it going to literally eat anything?! I don't know how you can even begin to think something so absurd!

BTW OP, the SVS sub will be much, much better than the Polk sub. I would also be looking at a Ascend/Rythmik system or a Hsu VTF15h package. If you aren't really interested in 4k resolution, just go for the Denon X2000, but if you want a full 4k setup someday, get the X2100.
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Budget is $2500 but I am alright with spending less
I would also look at the JBL Studio 2 series

Studio 230 bookshelf
http://www.amazon.com/JBL-Studio-230...jbl+studio+230

Studio 235 center
http://www.amazon.com/JBL-Studio-235...jbl+studio+235

JBL L810
http://www.amazon.com/JBL-Performanc...rds=jbl+l+l810

Outlaw subwoofer - on sale
https://www.outlawaudio.com/products/lfm1plus.html

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Definitely. Order the Outlaw LFM-1 Plus that is on sale for $499 shipped. You cannot do better other than to spend the extra $100 more for the Outlaw LFM-1 EX.

Here's a review of the EX: http://www.audioholics.com/subwoofer...fm-1-ex-review
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Do you care about looks?

How loud do you want?

That Polk gear is all entry level. It's okay, but depends on how deep you to dig into the hobby. Not many "enthusiasts" with basic Polk audio gear. Nothing wrong with them per se, but they won't go loud and they aren't especially refined, just a decent basic speaker. Skip their subs. For the money you have mentioned you can do better.

I'd recommend five Mackie c200 speakers. $200 each, use coupons for a bit lower price. The AVR of your choice, and two of the outlaw lfm-1ex subwoofers mentioned previously. (On sale $600 each) You'd have a better music and home theater system than 99% of the population instead of just average entry level gear with the Polk.

The mackie c200 are a PA speaker, but a good inexpensive one. I bought nine to play with on a recent good sale and cannot believe the value compared to something like the similar cost entry level Polk, Pioneer, Klipsch. Part of it is they aren't spending money making the cabinet pretty. They go loud and stay clean. The Behringer 215 that imagic wrote about is a similar concept. Both, only options if you don't care about looks.

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Do you care about looks?

How loud do you want?

That Polk gear is all entry level. It's okay, but depends on how deep you to dig into the hobby. Not many "enthusiasts" with basic Polk audio gear. Nothing wrong with them per se, but they won't go loud and they aren't especially refined, just a decent basic speaker. Skip their subs. For the money you have mentioned you can do better.

I'd recommend five Mackie c200 speakers. $200 each, use coupons for a bit lower price. The AVR of your choice, and two of the outlaw lfm-1ex subwoofers mentioned previously. (On sale $600 each) You'd have a better music and home theater system than 99% of the population instead of just average entry level gear with the Polk.

The mackie c200 are a PA speaker, but a good inexpensive one. I bought nine to play with on a recent good sale and cannot believe the value compared to something like the similar cost entry level Polk, Pioneer, Klipsch. Part of it is they aren't spending money making the cabinet pretty. They go loud and stay clean. The Behringer 215 that imagic wrote about is a similar concept. Both, only options if you don't care about looks.

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While that may be true of the Polk Monitor line, the Polk RTi line is a big step up and far from a basic speaker. They are great for home theater, have a very nice real wood veneer, and offer up great dynamics.

One issue with going with all powered speakers is you need a receiver that has full pre-outs. And not many people can accommodate 5/7 big PA speakers.

The pair of Outlaw EX subs would be fantastic though, and OP raised his budget after I posted so definitely consider this instead of the single PB-2000.
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Transmaniacon,

'The Mackie will save him money and will literally eat the Polk.'

Today's PA speakers are not the junk PA speakers of yesteryear. All channel stereo on these Mackies (each speaker matching/voiced identical is both seamless and fantastic).

Mackie C200
http://www.mackie.com/products/c200/
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Polk rti6
http://www.polkaudio.com/products/rti6

500 watt power handling vs. 125 watt
96dB sensitivity vs. 89dB sensitivity
10" woofer vs. 6.5" woofer
1.4" compression driver vs. 1" soft dome tweeter
Clean coasting reference audio playback vs. strained reference level audio playback (assuming 10' listening position)

Powering handling characteristics at 1 meter. (Besides more power handling headroom - Mackies are much easier to drive with a Receiver - they are a bit over twice as loud (7dB) with the same exact power)

see attached image.


One thing that may be true:
"Not many people can accommodate 5/7 big PA speakers."
Agreed - but just presenting a Pro Speaker option of the type that is often unconsidered.

One thing that is certainly not true towards the Mackie C200:
"One issue with going with all powered speakers is you need a receiver that has full pre-outs."
The Mackie C200 are passive speakers, meaning your AVR powers them just like any other speaker. They use Pro audio connections called Speakon or 1/4" jacks - but that's just an adapter at the end of regular speaker wire. Takes about 5 minutes tops to pop on each speaker wire. 3 phillips head screws - that's it. They use these types of connectors in mobile Pro audio, because when you are dealing with high power amplification you don't want to risk frying gear when regularly plugging in and unplugging your speaker wire for gigs using traditional bananna plugs or binding posts. The Speakon or 1/4" jack are still just + - connections, just designed so you can't accidentally short anything out.

Five of these speakon connectors are $13 bucks shipped:
http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Speakon-...SNHWNTEVV0ATS5


The Mackies are just a suggestion, that's all. It'd be a heck of a system for the money. I don't know how you'd top performance for the dollar ---- if you don't mind the looks.
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Didn't realize they were passive, I assumed they were powered monitors. Definitely a lot of performance for your dollar, and probably easier to accommodate in a dedicated space.

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Looking for a brand new 5.1 surround system.
My living room is 17' deep, and 25' wide.

I need the works; receiver, speakers, sub.

So far I am considering going with Polk, what do you think of this setup?

Denon AVR-X2100
Polk RTI A1 (fronts)
Polk CSI A4 (center)
Polk 620 RT (rear ceiling)
Polk PSW110 (sub)

Or should I go with the Denon AVR-X1100?

My local audio store was trying to say the Paradigm lineup (Atom and CS1 center) is better too but it is more expensive and I am wondering if it is worth it.

What about Cambridge or even Pioneer?

Too many choices!

You can get a sweet deal on the Denon X2000 right now, which I'd suggest you look into over the newer models. You'll find most here suggest AVRs with Audyssey, which Denon has. Pioneer uses a their own room correction system, which isn't as good.


Also look into the Internet Direct brands of subwoofers. HSU subs start at 300, and will give better bass for the dollar than anything Polk makes.
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My wife doesn't want a really big sub or speakers hanging on the walls, so for my 5.1, I was thinking of having in ceiling speakers in the rear.

Plus my living room will be carpet, does that mean I should get a front firing sub instead of a down firing one?

My front speakers will be placed in a bookshelf that mean I need front ported speakers?
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My wife doesn't want a really big sub or speakers hanging on the walls, so for my 5.1, I was thinking of having in ceiling speakers in the rear.

Plus my living room will be carpet, does that mean I should get a front firing sub instead of a down firing one?

My front speakers will be placed in a bookshelf that mean I need front ported speakers?
You do not need front ported speakers but you'll want to place rear port speakers a foot or two away from the front wall. Actually it's best to get any speaker away from the walls.


Front firing or down firing doesn't matter with regards to floor type.


The speaker set you suggested would be great. Polk RTi's sound nice for music and movies. Obviously you could get better but will also spend a lot more. I think RTi's are under rated. I would not get that Polk sub though. Look at HSU STF-2 or the Outlaw LFM-1 suggested above. I have that sub. It's awesome.
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Carpet won't have an effect on a down-firing sub. As far as subwoofer size is concerned, just tell your wife that the smaller the subwoofer is (meaning a sealed design) the more expensive it will be in order to create powerful, clean bass in your 3,400 cu. ft. volume. You'd be looking at an SVS SB13-Ultra or equivalent to fill that space properly, and that costs $1600.

It would be best if bookshelf speakers were on stands, but yes, front ported would be a better option inside the bookshelves, plus the speakers need to be placed at the front of the bookshelf.
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If I have little kids is a front firing sub better because it won't have a cover that the kids could rip off?

Is a down firing sub just a solid box from the kids perspective ?
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You will want to get down-firing with curious kids around. Front-firing leaves the cone very exposed, and it is fragile and easily damage.
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So far I am sold on the:

Denon AVR-X2000,
HSU STF-2 sub

Can someone recommend some bookshelf speakers for my fronts and a center channel?
Also some rear ceiling speakers to complete the 5.1 setup?
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Take a look at HTD Level Three. They make some excellent sounding speakers, and are front ported so you can place them in a shelf easier. The front three would run you $500 and then you could pick up any old ceiling speakers for your surrounds.

If you want a more compact option, consider the NHT SuperOne 2.1, it is sealed so placement is easier, and being sealed means it's smaller than a comparable ported bookshelf like the HTD.

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I have gotten some great recommendations for US internet speaker companies, any suggestions for companies that ship to Canada?
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HTD ships to Canada - look on the right side
http://www.htd.com/Risk-Free-In-Home-Trial/shipping-tax

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NHT ships to Canada - and they have sealed speakers
http://www.nhthifi.com/

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Thanks! Which ones would you recommend?
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Thanks! Which ones would you recommend?
Buy based on budget - 15% off sale - sold each
http://www.nhthifi.com/

Do you have room to place the center channel vertical, like the bookshelf speakers

3 each NHT Classic Two across the front
http://www.nhthifi.com/Two-Black?sc=12&category=3772

Or, 3 each NHT SuperOne 2.1 across the front
http://www.nhthifi.com/Bookshelf-spe...&category=3772

Their in ceiling speakers are too expensive for surround use
If you can wall-mount, then look at the SuperZero 2.1
http://www.nhthifi.com/Bookshelf-spe...&category=3772

If you need to do in-ceiling for surrounds - then look at something like Energy
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I don't have the space to place a speaker vertical in the center, so I will need a center channel speaker that is horizontal.

I like the idea of the sealed NHT as these speakers will be placed in a bookshelf.
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Looking at prices for a two front bookshelf speakers and a center:

I like the looks of the SuperOne 2.1 at $150 each but it doesn't look like they have a center channel for it. Would I be able to lay the SuperOne 2.1 in the center horizontally?

NHT:

3 x SuperOne 2.1: $457 (shipped to Canada)

or

2 x Absolute Zero, and Absolute center channel: $790 (shipped to Canada)

or

2 x Classic 2, and Classic 2 center channel: $1,100 (shipped to Canada)

HTD:

2 x Level 2 bookshelf, and Level 2 center channel: $420 (shipped to Canada)

2 x Level 3 bookshelf, and Level 3 center channel: $600 (shipped to Canada)

Any recommendations?

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I am also really interested in the HSU Value 2 package.

I want to get the STF-2 sub regardless of the front speaker brand i choose.
So it would be cheaper to get the 3.1 Value 2 package
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/value2pkg.html

To ship to Canada it would be about $700.

What do you think of the HB-1 MK2 and HC-1 MK2

I should also mention that a lot of my listening will be on the quieter side, so I want speakers that can deliver when the kids are in bed, but can pick it up when asked.
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Looking at prices for a two front bookshelf speakers and a center:
I like the idea of the sealed NHT as these speakers will be placed in a bookshelf

I don't have the space to place a speaker vertical in the center, so I will need a center channel speaker that is horizontal.

I like the looks of the SuperOne 2.1 at $150 each but it doesn't look like they have a center channel for it.
Would I be able to lay the SuperOne 2.1 in the center horizontally?

Any recommendations?
While it would sound better vertical - the SuperOne 2.1 can work horizontal as a center.

Speaker choice/decision is up to you. If going NHT, due to the 15% off sale (if budget permits),
I would prefer the Classic Two system

HTD and HSU also make nice speakers, my preference would be NHT.

The ball is in you court - your call

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Then the other option is what was presented at my local audio store which were the Paradigm Atoms.

A pair of Atoms for $400 and a Center 1 for the center channel for another $400, so $800 for all without shipping.
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