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choices for small living room

I'm currently looking into getting my first set of surround speakers, other than my logitech z5500s...

My living room is small, 12x15 and with the couch against the wall to maximize space, I've been trying to figure out what would be best.

I saw some Jamo s-35's on sale with a BIC PL-200 sub for $430 and thought those may be good, especially with the multipole/omnidirection for the surrounds. I'd have to get a receiver (~200), so for the whole set, ~$630

But I also saw a deal for a pair of JBL Loft 50's, yamaha receiver for $600 plus a center (JBL loft 20) and 2 surrounds (JBL loft 40am) for $100, so $700 for everything, but no sub.

I've attached a drawing of the living room. The blue is the couch, green is TV, and red are the 5 speakers.

What do you guys think would be better given the size of the room and placement for surround speakers? Are these both too much for a room this small? Can I spend less money and get something that will be sufficient for the space? Also, what do you think is the best deal?
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Let's assume your budget is $650, I would probably start with a 2.1 system and expand from there in the future. This lets you get a better foundation and end up with a nicer system instead of trying to get everything at once.

For a receiver, I like Denon because they have pretty honest power ratings, good quality, and use Audyssey room correction which helps configure and calibrate your speakers, and more importantly, your sub. The Denon AVR-X1000 is a very good 5.1 receiver with networking and the second best version of Audyssey. You can get it manufacturer refurbished with a one year warranty for $199.99.

With $450 left, you need a sub and some bookshelf speakers. Since you are in smaller room, you won't need quite as much sub as someone in a larger room would. Subwoofers need to pressurize the volume of a room, and any spaces connected to it. The Dayton SUB-1200 is one of the best budget subs out there. It has it's limitations, but it's hard to beat for $120.

With a little over $300 left, you need a pair of bookshelves. I would take a look at a few different ones:

EMP E5Bi
HTD Level Three
HSU HB-1 MK2
Arx A1rx-c
Ascend CBM-170

These are some of the best options in this price range, and would give you great sound. I own the EMPs and they sound very good, but you really can't go wrong with any of them. Do a little research on these, there are numerous reviews and shootouts for them, and you can get a feel for what they might sound like. Once you have it narrowed down to a couple, look into doing an in-home trial. All of these companies let you demo the speakers for 30 days, and if you don't like them, send them back. HSU will pay return shipping, I do not believe the others do. Hearing the speakers in your own room is the only way to know for sure how they say, because room acoustics play a huge role in how speakers sound.

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Thanks! A few questions:

How important is wifi/ethernet connectivity on a receiver? I like the sound of it, but I'm not sure if I'd actually use it a lot.

If I got the 2 front, then eventually when I want surround, it'll be hard to find matching centers and surrounds won't it?
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Thanks! A few questions:

How important is wifi/ethernet connectivity on a receiver? I like the sound of it, but I'm not sure if I'd actually use it a lot.

If I got the 2 front, then eventually when I want surround, it'll be hard to find matching centers and surrounds won't it?
How important is it to you?
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Which one? the Wifi? or the matching speakers?

Wifi - not so much, because I plan to have cable modem nearby (for now)

Matching speakers - I read some threads about mismatching centers and front 2 speakers and they said it wasn't a good idea

Are the Jamos and JBLs no good? I'm not sure I have the ear to eventually upgrade to "premium" speakers
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Which one? the Wifi? or the matching speakers?

Wifi - not so much, because I plan to have cable modem nearby (for now)

Matching speakers - I read some threads about mismatching centers and front 2 speakers and they said it wasn't a good idea

Are the Jamos and JBLs no good? I'm not sure I have the ear to eventually upgrade to "premium" speakers
If you're using Audyssey I wouldn't worry too much about matching your front three, it will level match them. Just make sure the tweeters aren't too terribly different, aluminum dome, ribbon, horn, etc.

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Thanks! A few questions:

How important is WiFi/Ethernet connectivity on a receiver? I like the sound of it, but I'm not sure if I'd actually use it a lot.

If I got the 2 front, then eventually when I want surround, it'll be hard to find matching centers and surrounds won't it?
I think Ethernet is very helpful on that receiver, you can stream airplay/pandora/spotify to the receiver and play your music. Also firmware updates can be downloaded via Ethernet, and you can use a phone or tablet to control the device if you want. It does not have WiFi, and you aren't buying that receiver for the Ethernet, mainly for the Audyssey MultEQ XT room correction which is very useful.

Those companies have been around for a while and so have the speakers, you should not have an issue picking up the center and surrounds in the future. Your surrounds do not need to match, just your front three.

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If you're using Audyssey I wouldn't worry too much about matching your front three, it will level match them. Just make sure the tweeters aren't too terribly different, aluminum dome, ribbon, horn, etc.
I disagree with this, Audyssey will help smooth the frequency response, but different speakers will still sound different. Matching the front three is very important.
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Which one? the Wifi? or the matching speakers?

Wifi - not so much, because I plan to have cable modem nearby (for now)

Matching speakers - I read some threads about mismatching centers and front 2 speakers and they said it wasn't a good idea

Are the Jamos and JBLs no good? I'm not sure I have the ear to eventually upgrade to "premium" speakers
Wifi. If it isn't important to you then don't worry about it. There is no real advantage or disadvantage, outside of the cost it adds.
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I was looking at the speakers Transmaniacon recommended and the Hsu's look like they'd be pretty good. Maybe I should just stick with a 2.1 setup and not have to worry about wiring up surround speakers.

Do people do 3.1, like a center and L,R or is it not necessary?

Also, if I stick to a 2.1, it seems like a stereo receiver may be all I need versus a full on AV receiver? Thoughts?
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Do people do 3.1, like a center and L,R or is it not necessary?

Also, if I stick to a 2.1, it seems like a stereo receiver may be all I need versus a full on AV receiver? Thoughts?
Most of us like 3.1

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Keep in mind that the Logitech Z5500's bass may have spoiled you for lower end speakers, so you might as well spend the money up front and get better speakers plus a good sub. (It happened to me.)
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I disagree with this, Audyssey will help smooth the frequency response, but different speakers will still sound different. Matching the front three is very important.
We'll agree to disagree. I have a B&W HTM62 Center and Paradigm Studio 20 fronts. Sure, before I ran Audyssey I could tell something was off in my front sound stage and was thinking I should have upgraded the center at the same time as my fronts. After I ran Audyssey I can't tell one bit of difference. I think as long as they're not terribly different tweeter technologies the OP will be ok.

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I'm currently looking into getting my first set of surround speakers, other than my logitech z5500s...

My living room is small, 12x15 and with the couch against the wall to maximize space, I've been trying to figure out what would be best.

I saw some Jamo s-35's on sale with a BIC PL-200 sub for $430 and thought those may be good, especially with the multipole/omnidirection for the surrounds. I'd have to get a receiver (~200), so for the whole set, ~$630

But I also saw a deal for a pair of JBL Loft 50's, yamaha receiver for $600 plus a center (JBL loft 20) and 2 surrounds (JBL loft 40am) for $100, so $700 for everything, but no sub.

I've attached a drawing of the living room. The blue is the couch, green is TV, and red are the 5 speakers.

What do you guys think would be better given the size of the room and placement for surround speakers? Are these both too much for a room this small? Can I spend less money and get something that will be sufficient for the space? Also, what do you think is the best deal?
What is your real budget and your listening preferences, please?

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My budget is around ~$700.

Main purposes will be for watching TV (70%), movies (10%), listening to music (20%)
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My budget is around ~$700.

Main purposes will be for watching TV (70%), movies (10%), listening to music (20%)
The Denon receiver and the Dayton sub are good suggestions.

The Cambridge S30 and S50 could be a good choice.

http://www.accessories4less.com/inde...ambridge+Audio

A pair of P163's and a PC351 could also be a good choice.

https://www.harmanaudio.com/search_b....asp?brand=INF
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I disagree with this, Audyssey will help smooth the frequency response, but different speakers will still sound different. Matching the front three is very important.
I agree. See item 2 in the Basic Speaker Setup FAQ for an explanation. The other FAQs might help you as well.

I also agree with bladerunner6's and Transmaniacon's recommendations for setups that fit your budget. You could choose from any of what they have said and will have made a very good choice

And definitely get the Denon AVR even if you decide now you only want 2.1. It has additional features over a stereo receiver and will give you the flexibility to change your mind if you desire.

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I agree. See item 2 in the Basic Speaker Setup FAQ for an emxplanation. The other FAQs might help you as well.

I also agree with bladerunner6's and Transmaniacon's recommendations for setups that fit your budget. You could choose from any of what they have said and will have made a very good choice

And definitely get the Denon AVR even if you decide now you only want 2.1. It has additional features over a stereo receiver and will give you the flexibility to change your mind if you desire.
I also agree about timbre matching. It is really pretty easy to do and it makes for a better experience.


And buying the Denon will give you room to grow.

Lots of good ideas in this thread, just pick one and start enjoying it.
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Thanks for the recommendations! I will probably look to get a 3.1 setup for now along with an AV receiver.

As far as the receiver and speakers, how are they recertified/reconditioned vs new? Still trying to save money where I can.
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Accesories4less equipment is typically factory reconditioned/factory warrantied (see their descriptions).

Your questions are answered: Speaker FAQ
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And don't g forget to look locally. Craigslist has good deals and dealers will have open box or discontinued items for dirt cheap (at least compared to new). And if you do order online take a couple of minutes to search for discount codes, never know what you may find.

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Brings you to budget but if you need a receiver in that budget, there are plenty of speakers in that price range.

Sony KDL-70R550A (passive 3D tv)
Denon x4000 (amazing sound correcting software)
Klipsch RF-62IIs (amazing horns)
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Thanks for the recommendations! I will probably look to get a 3.1 setup for now along with an AV receiver.

As far as the receiver and speakers, how are they recertified/reconditioned vs new? Still trying to save money where I can.
I've used accessories for less for my last receiver. I've had it almost 5 years now. No issues and a great way to save some cash.
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And don't g forget to look locally. Craigslist has good deals and dealers will have open box or discontinued items for dirt cheap (at least compared to new). And if you do order online take a couple of minutes to search for discount codes, never know what you may find.
Good idea!

Check out brick and mortars dealers for opened box and demo deals, that is how I scored my receiver.
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I was looking into the 3.1 package from Hsu research (http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/value1pkg.html) and was wondering if it's worth it versus getting the 3.0 (http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/speakerpkg.html) and getting the Dayton SUB-1200? Is the STF-1 worth $250 plus the additional cost in shipping?
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The STF-1 is an 8" sub with good SQ, but best suited for a small room like a bedroom. From the diagram in the first post, looks like your living room is part of a larger open area, and subs see the whole area. You need a more powerful sub.

For the money, I would suggest the BIC PL-200 for $259 shipped from the vendors on Amazon.

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