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I might add the amp is 90 watts per channel, RMS. Not really a powerful receiver, it may improve the sound having amplified speakers.
Mercy mercy - I owned that receiver and it is not weak - it can drive some nice passive speakers.

Now you are looking to use pre-outs to drive a 50/100 watt Mackie? That will not improve the sound.

You are better off getting something like the HTD Level Three, or the NHT SuperOne 2.1 speaker

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I had a pair of MR5 MK2 for my desktop. Bought a pair of NHT SuperZero 2.0 because they were on sale, and sold the Mackies as soon as I heard them. Compared to my NHTs, the Mackies had a muddy mid-range and not nearly the same detail. For your money I think you could do a lot better, and I still recommend going with passive speakers. I think you get more performance per dollar from passive speakers.
Yep. My Ascend CBM-170 SEs competes well with any studio monitors I have heard in the <$500 class.

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If you live in the Boston area, you are more then welcome to stop by for a demo.
Thanks! Unfortunately I live in Minneapolis, MN. I updated my location information
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Interesting. Yeah I was more leaning toward HR824mk2 if I went mackie, as they seem a lot better. Also, a lot more expensive.
Yeah they will be a better speaker, but $700 a speaker opens you up to a lot of options, namely the Ascend Sierra-2. Do a little reading on them, I don't know if you can do better for the money.

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Thanks! Unfortunately I live in Minneapolis, MN. I updated my location information
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Any thoughts on the Yamaha HS Subs? Looks like they discontinued the 10 inch one, HS10S, but how about the HS8S? Is 8 inch to small?

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Any thoughts on the Yamaha HS series Subs?
For $500 you could get a SVS PB-1000/SB-1000. Either would be a better choice.

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Any thoughts on the Yamaha HS Subs? Looks like they discontinued the 10 inch one, HS10S, but how about the HS8S? Is 8 inch to small?
An 8" 150 watt subwoofer might work well nearfield (3 feet away) in a studio monitor/computer desktop setup, but it is not a good choice for home theater system except maybe in a small bedroom. See #10 in Basic Speaker Setup FAQ And even then, studio monitor subs are generally poor price/performance values.

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So near field means the sound is not intended to carry say out of the control room, in theory?
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So near field means the sound is not intended to carry say out of the control room, in theory?
Nearfield means the subwoofer is setup next to where you are seated.

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I decided to look up a recording studio locally, and see what monitors they use. Oh boy, sure they have the Yamaha speakers. Well, those, and then they have two $10k a piece monitors. Clearly a $350 monitor is not their primary speaker.

A recording studio I worked for had Makie ones, but which I'm not sure. They sounded very clear and distinct, leading me to want monitors.
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Ok, I think I am going to buy the 5.1 system linked below (next month when I am able to). Unless there is some other system to consider in the same price range.

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hybrid2pkg.html
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What speaker wire gauge would be recommended for these speakers? I assume it wont come with any. Do they require banana plugs to connect them?
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What speaker wire gauge would be recommended for these speakers? I assume it wont come with any. Do they require banana plugs to connect them?
You can buy speaker wires already terminated with banana plugs, I own some, but it isn't needed. I'd also say 16 gauge is plenty for most systems. Bigger is just that bigger, but it doesn't gain you anything in most cases. I guess big speaker wires can look cool though.
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Just to clarify, the wires can be screwed in on the HSU speakers, so no need for banana plugs then, more a convenience thing?

Any particular source for speaker wire recommended? I've heard good things about monoprice.com for other things, are they good for quality speaker wire?

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Monoprice is GTG. Now if you want a fancier look and don't mind paying the price there are other options such as Sewell Direct.
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What are considerations on the subwoofer rca cable? I'm looking at running it about 50 feet from the amp, past some unused electrical outlets and past some electrical wires (lamps). Does it need good shielding to prevent hum? Also, what gauge, if I can select one, would be needed for this length of cable?

How about something like this:
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_i...seq=1&format=2

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That sub cable will work well.

Monoprice is a good option for speaker wire, just buy everything at once so you can save on shipping. Another good choice is the Radioshack Auvio: http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...uctId=16126186

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Monoprice shipping can be expensive

If you have Amazon Prime - 50 ft
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Just to clarify, the wires can be screwed in on the HSU speakers, so no need for banana plugs then, more a convenience thing?
Hi NetTechie,

You're correct. The HB-1 Mk2s have binding posts so the bare wire ends can be screwed in.

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Well, I've been doing a lot of thinking about this possible HSU research purchase, and I've come to a conclusion. Return shipping. It will be significant, and I'm sure they don't refund the $197 shipping I pay to have it sent to my house. So... ordering online just is not worth it to me.

Ok, so this leaves what Best Buy sells, as they will allow a return and just the gas to drive there out of pocket.

Or, another option is to go to my local recording gear suppliers. There are several, most notably Guitar Center. They carry a lot of studio monitors, if I want to demo them.

I may in future be doing music mixing, or other sound recording related uses, so there is a hidden advantage for me if I invest in monitors. I can later use them for sound mixing without having to spend on monitors. I have read a lot on these direct online speaker options, and one thing that strikes me is the ribbon tweeters. They seem to be very well reviewed. My experience is most speakers I've listened to just are not able to bring out the sharp sounds in the electronic music I like (see post 4 in this topic). Well, a studio monitor that appears to be good for this kind of thing is the Adam A7X. Any thoughts on these?

Also, I found that KRK makes a studio monitor that is passive, the KRK R6 for $150 each. It has a 6 inch woofer, so it should sound a lot better than say the Energy Take Classic system which I can also buy locally.

Or, my other option is to buy bookshelf speakers and a sub from Best Buy. I have yet to go there and demo them, but that's my other route.

I really appreciate the posts on these internet retailers, and I may bite the bullet and buy some if I can't find a workable solution locally. But ouch, return shipping will be in the $100's.

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Well, I've been doing a lot of thinking about this possible HSU research purchase, and I've come to a conclusion. Return shipping. It will be significant, and I'm sure they don't refund the $197 shipping I pay to have it sent to my house. So... ordering online just is not worth it to me.

Ok, so this leaves what Best Buy sells, as they will allow a return and just the gas to drive there out of pocket.
Then ask if you can order a pair so you can demo and still get the discount on the whole package.

As for BestBuy, you will also be out BestBuy's cut. Better add on about %50 to the cost of the HSUs to look in the same class of speaker.

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I may in future be doing music mixing, or other sound recording related uses, so there is a hidden advantage for me if I invest in monitors. I can later use them for sound mixing without having to spend on monitors. I have read a lot on these direct online speaker options, and one thing that strikes me is the ribbon tweeters. They seem to be very well reviewed. My experience is most speakers I've listened to just are not able to bring out the sharp sounds in the electronic music I like (see post 4 in this topic). Well, a studio monitor that appears to be good for this kind of thing is the Adam A7X. Any thoughts on these?
If you let people know what good speakers you have heard that do not "bring out the sharp sounds" you like, then maybe people could advise.

As for Adam A7X, they are $750 a piece. I'd be looking at these instead: http://ascendacoustics.com/pages/pro...SRM2/srm2.html

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+1! At $1500, the Ascend Sierra-2 is the speaker to beat. As Cel points out, Best Buy has a decent markup and you will be paying much more than the return shipping (If you even send them back) by buying speakers there. Since you like the ribbon tweeter, take a look at the HTD Level Three, they use ribbons and offer great sound. They also pay return shipping so there is no risk to try them out.

If you would rather get a studio monitor, then I would recommend the Emotiva Stealth 6, currently as closeout pricing of $800/pr, these are fantastic performers and also have a ribbon tweeter. 210 watts bi-amped means these will rock.

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Well, I went and listened to what the different stores had and I liked the Mackie HR624mk2 monitor speakers they had so I ordered a refurbished pair from Guitar Center, along with a Mackie HRS120 sub used. Within my budget, and hopefully I will like them. If not no return shipping, I can just bring in back to a store for a refund.
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I like the idea of going the 2.0 route, and getting good quality. I've been considering this option too since before I posted here. What do you think of studio monitors like the Yamaha HS8 speakers? Those are around $700 a pair. Or maybe pick up a used pair of Yamaha NS-10M speakers? I saw a set on craigslist for $375 in like new condition supposedly. My amp has preamp outputs, so it would be possible to hook these up.

You did say you wanted to use it for movies right?


I would suggest finding a really good set of stereo speakers, then pair them up with a really good quality Center for 3.1 (gotta have a sub unless you buy a really expensive set of towers that go down below 30hz) then later you can spring for 2 or 4 surround speakers for your surround sound if you feel movies soundtracks are lacking. I myself prefer full surroundsound for my movies.

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This return policy is going to come in handy, I just found a newly listed used pair of HR824mk2 speakers at Guitar Center for 600 for a pair. Back will go the 624's, and shipping was free on them.

With an eight inch driver, I think they will be a bit fuller sounding than the 624's six inch driver. Think the 824's are better? Bear in mind I will be running them with a 12 inch sub as well.

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You did say you wanted to use it for movies right?


I would suggest finding a really good set of stereo speakers, then pair them up with a really good quality Center for 3.1 (gotta have a sub unless you buy a really expensive set of towers that go down below 30hz) then later you can spring for 2 or 4 surround speakers for your surround sound if you feel movies soundtracks are lacking. I myself prefer full surroundsound for my movies.
Well, movies not as much as music. I like the 5.1/7.1 music listening modes for music, as it fills the whole room with sound. Therefore, going a 2.0/2.1 route is not a huge loss in terms of my uses. I watch movies rarely in recent times, never have time. I do watch music videos though.

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This return policy is going to come in handy, I just found a newly listed used pair of HR824mk2 speakers at Guitar Center for 600 for a pair. Back will go the 624's, and shipping was free on them.

With an eight inch driver, I think they will be a bit fuller sounding than the 624's six inch driver. Think the 824's are better? Bear in mind I will be running them with a 12 inch sub as well.
They will play louder and deeper, and let you lower the sub crossover making it less localizable. Should work well, just give the port some space.

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skip the Micros if you can get larger speakers. i have a set at my father's place in my old bedroom. they have to be crossed over at 150hz or higher which means more work for the subwoofer.

Plus they sound really thin because of the 2.5" driver for a woofer.

Get some bookshelf speakers with 5.25" or 6.5" woofers. With a budget of $1000 you can get a really nice setup.
I have the Micro 5.1, and they're crossed over at 120 Hz (as the manual says.) I know the specs of the satellite says 150-23,000 Hz, but these will dig down to 80 Hz. Amazing for how freaking tiny they are. Try it out.

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I like Polk Audio was an entry level speaker. You can get them for less than retail at polk's ebay page. And I'm not sure if AVScience sells them but if they do they can probably cut you a deal off of MSRP and you could end up with a good set of fronts, center, and bookshelf surrounds for under $800.

I had Polk CS2 and Monitor 70s and T15s on sale from new egg probably for under $700 for all of them and I was really happy with them until I got my Klipsch.

If you could stretch it just a few hundred or so you could get Klispch reference 6 series with maybe some 41 or 51 bookshelves for surrounds for about $1300. I can tell you for double the price it's about 4 times as good.

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