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N.E.A.R ael Barn find

I recently came across some NEAR ael speakers brand new in box, my dilemma is they do not have a data sheet and I would hate to ruin them by under powering or over powering for that matter. If anyone can help it would be much appreciated I believe from the manual they are either ael 1.4 or 1.6. I will admit I had never heard of NEAR so I know nothing about them. Thanks in advance for any assistance!!!

P.S. I have included a picture of the receiver that was also brand new and was wondering if it is a good pair or no
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Good find - looks like the speakers can take more power than the receiver can give - KLH was not
real powerful.

Just be moderate to begin with - you can raise the volume - just note when you raise the volume
and the sound does not get louder, then turn it back - to prevent nasty distortion which can/will
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Yeah I kind of figured it was small for them since they are loudspeakers, but honestly what worried me was reading the instruction manual and finding underpowering a speaker can ruin it. Who knows I'm still cleaning the house out and may find the amp he was going to use. Any advice on where I should be with an amp? He also has two adcom switchers I ended up with and a pair of vintage ar's I would like to see rebuilt.
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I would want a good clean 50 watts per channel to drive them - NEAR did make some good stuff.

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Ok I will have to see what I have for a receiver, as a novice and I imagine I can find the answer on this site but if my receiver says 100 per channel what am I really getting on average?
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I would hate to ruin them by under powering or over powering for that matter.
There's no such thing. If an amp doesn't have adequate power to drive the speakers to full output it may clip, which would sound bad. If an amp has a lot more power available than the speakers can make use of they may distort if played too loud. In both cases the cure is to turn the volume down. Simple.

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Okay see I had never heard that and read it and was just a bit worried, the only higher end stuff I have owned was when I was younger and didn't care about quality. Hence why I don't have it anymore ha.
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Ok I will have to see what I have for a receiver, as a novice and I imagine I can find the answer on this site but if my receiver says 100 per channel what am I really getting on average?
In most cases the current (modern) receivers that say 100 watts per channel, can hit their mark and more
in 2 channel stereo. And the harmonic distortion rate is low. In surround channel mode, that is when they
become less efficient. >> However most of us in room, only use 25 to 50 watts - however you need room in
the receiver/amp, to have headroom to handle clean dynamic peaks.

Some of the older cheapy receivers do not do as well, and can have higher distortion - plus struggle with
speakers that have a nominal impedance below 8 ohms.

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Also someone talks about clipping at "under power" levels ruining tweeters and that seems to always happen to me.
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Also someone talks about clipping at "under power" levels ruining tweeters and that seems to always happen to me.
Using low power receivers at high volume, can damage the tweeters.

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I feel like I would have saved some pretty good speakers if I had known that in the past. So thank you very much for clarifying it I think it will be integral in me ever owning anything nice.
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Now would an equalizer in line save the speakers or no?
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Now would an equalizer in line save the speakers or no?
You need good clean power for playing speakers at a high volume -
low power receiver/amp at high volumes is the negative.

I would not try to boost sound with an equalizer

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Also someone talks about clipping at "under power" levels ruining tweeters and that seems to always happen to me.
The increased high frequency power density that accompanies clipping can burn out tweeters. That increased power density is the result of high THD, which sounds bad, and at levels that will burn out tweeters it sounds very bad. It's when you ignore the fact that it sounds very bad and don't turn the volume down that your tweeters, and wallet, suffer the consequences.

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New additions to the gear I found. The ar speakers are 2ax, he wants me to take some bigger speakers but I don't know which to choose two are bsa two are klh and the others I don't know yet. Also got a spool of monster xp question here is, is that amp good and will it power those aels?
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The bell tube amp is a 2200c from what I gather and the carver is a 900.
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The bell tube amp is a 2200c from what I gather and the carver is a 900.
The Carver amp has some nice power
http://www.crew1.de/pdf/Carver/pm-900%20pwr%20amp.pdf

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So it was a good find seems like he had some pretty good stuff back then
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That link is for the Carver Power amp 900. The Receiver MXR-900 is rated at 100 watts/channel, with 150 watts peak.
I had the MXR-150 years ago. Beautiful receiver, but they all have an issue with the output relays. Parts seem to be cheap, however.
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That link is for the Carver Power amp 900. The Receiver MXR-900 is rated at 100 watts/channel, with 150 watts peak.
I had the MXR-150 years ago. Beautiful receiver, but they all have an issue with the output relays. Parts seem to be cheap, however.
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To update I enjoy the Carver it suits my needs for now I ended out with an older Denon also and a whole Technics setup I paid 50 for off craigslist. Also had a huge miss on an Adcom and a Denon avr for 100 but I guess I cannot have it all.
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Claude,

You may also want run some of this equipment by the AudioKarma.org forum as well. They are dedicated to the older stuff.
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Just did and it seems to have sparked some interest I made an account there awhile ago and never used it. Thanks
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