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post #1 of 14 Old 08-22-2014, 05:36 PM - Thread Starter
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3.1 speaker and receiver setup advice

I just got into the game of audio, by preparing to purchase a new tv, and instantly got hooked by this exciting niche!

Budget: $1700
Room Size: 11x15x8ft (WxLxH)
Viewing distance from tv: 7-8 ft.
Audio use: 80% TV/Movies 20% Music
Placement restrictions: none really
Aesthetic or size concerns: I'd like to start out with bookshelf, not tower, matching speaker color but what the color is does not matter.
I have a lone basement at the bottom of the stairs, no other openings.

My lineup so far, after some research:
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Receiver:Yamaha RX-V675 $399
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B981F1U/...EFNVAEPA&psc=1
Front L/R: Polk RTI A3 $379
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000V2OQK2/...3D7AG000&psc=1
Center: Polk CSI A6 $399
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000V2SEYQ/...DVH6F6CS&psc=1
Subwoofer: Rythmik LV12R $599
http://www.rythmikaudio.com/LV12R.html

I am trying to make time to travel so I can audition these. What do you guys think, any suggestions?

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Receiver- Denon AVR-E400 (Factory Refurb) $238
http://www.accessories4less.com/make...airplay/1.html

Front Speakers- EMP Tek E5Bi $225
http://emptek.com/e5bi.php
Review from hometheaterreview.com
http://hometheaterreview.com/emp-tek...aker-reviewed/

Center Channel- EMP Tek E5Ci $195
http://emptek.com/e5ci.php

Subwoofer- Reaction Audio BPS215- $799
http://reaction-audio.myshopify.com/...ered-subwoofer

Total= $1457
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If you dont want a sub as large as the reaction audio....

Receiver- Denon AVR-E400 (Factory Refurb) $238
http://www.accessories4less.com/make...airplay/1.html

Speakers- Pioneer SP-BS22LR $127
http://www.parts-express.com/pioneer...-pair--250-656

Center- Pioneer SP-C22 $97
http://www.parts-express.com/pioneer...eaker--250-657

Subwoofer- SVS SB-2000 $699
http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/sealed-box/sb-2000
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Subwoofer- SVS SB-1000 $499 X2= $1000
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Thank you bluegraysky22 for the quick response!

I like your choices on the setup, I have been debating whether to go Denon or Yamaha for the receiver, and SVS sub or HSU sub or Rythmik sub. I have one question though: the particular Pioneer model is a step down from the particular Polk model, while the SVS is a step up from the Rythmik, to make the budget work of course.

Do you think the woofer quality should be considered well above the speaker quality, like a proportional relationship, in order for a quality setup?
Say I get SVS SB-2000 X2 ($1400) and then some much cheaper Polk Front Left/Right M10 X2($200) and the Polk Center CSM ($150), would this be a more ideal setup?
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I own the EMPtek speakers and those are incredible for the money and IMHO will do audio circles around the pioneer speakers (I have owned both)!
Another really good speaker is the ascend acoustic cmt340! Really nice speaker that sounds good at low volume and will get plenty loud!
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You could make it simple and get a 3.1 package from Hsu, good speakers and very good sub. A lot of people have had luck with refurbished stuff, but not me. My last refurbished was a Denon CD player that died in a month. I would go for the Yammy v675 deal on Amazon, that is a very good price for that receiver new.
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I would look at some good speakers on close-out pricing - Boston Reflection series
and they are New in the Box

RS260 bookshelf speakers - sold each
http://www.accessories4less.com/make...h-black/1.html

http://a248.e.akamai.net/pix.crutchf...grilleoff.jpeg

RS244 center channel
http://www.accessories4less.com/make...r-black/1.html

http://www.accessories4less.com/mas_...8/f/1/6385.Jpg

HSU VTF-2 subwoofer
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-2mk4.html

One receiver option - Denon X2000
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_033AVX2...9273265&awdv=c

Your call
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I have been debating whether to go Denon or Yamaha for the receiver, and SVS sub or HSU sub or Rythmik sub. I have one question though: the particular Pioneer model is a step down from the particular Polk model, while the SVS is a step up from the Rythmik, to make the budget work of course.

Do you think the woofer quality should be considered well above the speaker quality, like a proportional relationship, in order for a quality setup?
Say I get SVS SB-2000 X2 ($1400) and then some much cheaper Polk Front Left/Right M10 X2($200) and the Polk Center CSM ($150), would this be a more ideal setup?
I agree with the others - get a Denon AVR (new or refurb) depending on your desire for new features and warranty.

For 80% movies, I wouldn't recommend the Pioneer speakers - they are very smooth, have quite flat frequency response, and have a low price but the trade off is low sensitivity (most in the mid 80s) and limited max SPL that won't keep up with the kind of subs you are considering. That is a fairly small room so most speakers will get quite loud at that distance - how loud do you want to listen? I think your original idea of Polk speakers is a good one but if you are looking for high SPL speakers there are other places to look (like JBL, etc). Of course, you need to listen and decide what kind of "sound" you like.

That much sub in a room that small with overwhelm most speaker systems, so no, I wouldn't suggest spending that much of your budget on subs.
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Thanks all for responding with all this helpful advice!

Elihawk: I agree with your assessment of the pioneers, I will have to check if I can audition EMPtek or Ascend Acoustic at a nearby store.

ShadyJ: Yeah I should give a HSU pack some thought, not a bad option. And of course, I want new just for some peace of mind : )

zieglj01: haven't heard of this Boston Reflection group yet, I should give it a look, they look aesthetically pleasing. And yeah that HSU sub is a beaut, been comparing it to the Rythmik one.

mtn-tech:Interesting technical input. Yeah I might need to make a seperate sub thread to solve that question more properly. I do not know what "sound" I like yet, being a noob, so auditioning at stores might help me. I don't know anyone in this interest niche unfortunately : (

so high SPL huh... I'll give JBL another go then. Yeah I have such a small basement living room, but I obviously can't blast off the listeners ears, don't need the volume extremely loud in the small space.

Thanks for all of this guys, it is a lot of good information!

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Elihawk: I agree with your assessment of the pioneers, I will have to check if I can audition EMPtek or Audio Acoustic at a nearby store.

ShadyJ: Yeah I should give a HSU pack some thought, not a bad option. And of course, I want new just for some peace of mind : )
Both EMP Tek and Hsu are Internet Direct companies. So, unless you live near EMP Tek in Utah or Hsu in Anaheim Ca, you will need to order them and try them out in your home. I.D. companies give you a 30-day in-home trial period, but the return shipping is on you (your shipping costs for Hsu is both ways AFAIK).
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That much sub in a room that small with overwhelm most speaker systems, so no, I wouldn't suggest spending that much of your budget on subs.
That much sub will not overwhelm the speakers. That's why subs have a gain control on the back, and why you run the room correction software on the receiver. Then the sub will be calibrated to work with the speakers in the room (as long as you adjust the gain control until the room correction software ends up with a subwoofer channel close to zero).

My recommendations would be the SB-2000, the PSA XS15, the HSU VTF-2 MK4, or the Rythmik LV12R. I would not choose the SB-1000 for that room for a movie setup. It would be hard for the SB-1000 to generate enough output in the low 20hz range.
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Both EMP Tek and Hsu are Internet Direct companies. So, unless you live near EMP Tek in Utah or Hsu in Anaheim Ca, you will need to order them and try them out in your home. I.D. companies give you a 30-day in-home trial period, but the return shipping is on you (your shipping costs for Hsu is both ways AFAIK).
Either of these would be great speaker choices
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Oh boy. Been geeking out on more reviews for a while, and I really like the Ascend Acoustic route now!

Weighed against the above suggestions of course.

L/R: CBM-170 SE
Center: CMT-340 SE
AVR: Denon x2100w
Sub: Rythmik LV12R

And in a year maybe upgrade the L/R to CMT-340 SE.

What do you guys think?

Future Setup:
L/C/R - Ascend Acoustics CMT-340 SE | Surrounds - Ascend Acoustics CBM-170 SE | Subwoofer - Rythmik LV12R | Receiver - Denon AVR-X2100W | TV - Samsung UN46EH5300 46-Inch
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I think that's a great strategy. I have the CBM-170 SEs in my desktop and like them a lot. And your idea about starting with them for left and right and then eventually moving them to surrounds is a great plan for building in stages.
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