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New home theater - speaker selection

Hello,
First, thanks to anyone who can help me, I am lost wading through this information trying to find a similar setup / objective to my own. Here is my setup currently:


- New home theater, room is 12' wide x 17' long
- Epson powerlite home cinema 8350
- Screen tbd (lost on that one also, 100% light controlled basement room, 110" target size)
- Receiver Yamaha RX-V673 which lists 90w by 7 channels @ 8ohms..
- Pre-wired for in-ceiling rear surrounds and in wall side speakers
- Klipsch RC-52 center built into a shelf just below where the screen will be
- Was contemplating some Klipsch reference towers around $800/pair? Have an old set of Advent towers currently (leftover from college days)
- Was contemplating some Klipsch in ceiling for the rear surrounds (or something else that will work if Klipsch is overkill, also like Polk's but I'm open. In the ceiling, I have pre-built boxes between floor joists about 15" x 15" square x 9.5" deep, sealed air tight with caulking and a 6" batt of roxul sound dampening insulation pressed against the upper (back) of the enclosure (not sure if I should keep the batting?) Budget for the Rear speakers is maybe $300 - $350 pair but prefer less if it won't make much difference. Do these need to be able to handle the 90watts continuous if they're entirely for surround / movies
- Pretty much the same for the side speakers except they're in the wall, don't currently have an internal enclosure (but could if it's important) and stud bay for those are 2x4 walls, budget $200 if that could work?
- Need a passable powered sub, no idea on a good basic sub but would prefer under $300.


Sorry for all the questions, wanted to provide detail to cut to the chase on this. I looked at the monoprice ceiling / wall speakers which had some decent reviews but they're 6 ohm's for the most part, but my towers will be 8 ohms, assumed that is a problem...


I'm about out of money on this project and still need to buy a screen as well so appreciate any help, thanks!
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I would recommend the RB-61 II bookshelf speakers up front, they will match the center and you don't need towers if you are going to add a sub. With the savings put that towards your sub(s). For your surrounds, I wouldn't spend so much and they don't need to match the fronts. 2 pairs of Polk OWM3 would work well and they are low-profile so you can wall-mount them without them sticking out too far.

Take the savings from the fronts and surrounds (+$600) and combine that with your sub budget to get a pair of SVS PB-1000. These will give you great accurate output in that size room, and get you down into the sub-20Hz region. The difference dual subs make is a more even room response. This means everyone has a better bass experience because you are diminishing room modes. In a theater this is essential because you have several listening positions.

For a screen, I would try to go with an acoustically transparent one, allowing you to place the front speakers at the same height behind it. This would also allow you to replace that center with another RB-61 in the future for an improved sound stage, or perhaps go with a totally different set of speakers.

You might also want to consider DIY here, you can get a great high efficiency theater speaker kit from www.diysoundgroup.com which requires minimal effort. The performance would be considerably better than anything in your budget, and the value of these kits is exceptional.

http://www.diysoundgroup.com/wavegui.../fusion-8.html

Three Fusion-8 Alchemy would run around $600 with flat pack cabinets and assembled crossovers, and behind an AT screen would be impressive.

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I have a hard time going cheap on basically everything so I can blow the doors off with 2 higher end subwoofers, I'm just looking for a nice, balanced system, maybe a step or two above entry level?
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Cheap? Who said cheap? Inexpensive doesn't mean they are somehow inferior. On the contrary, there are plenty of really great bookshelf speakers for not much money. And if you decide to go D.I.Y., they will be superior for less money. As far as blowing the doors off with two PB-1000s, that won't happen. They are nicely controlled subs that can reach below 20 Hz and give you that home theater experience. Two are for just what Trans stated, smoothing out room modes at the listening position, thus giving better sound in more seats, which will give you a balanced system. If you like, start out with one and see how it works for you.

However, if you're convinced you need floor standing speakers, there are plenty to choose from. You might look at something that won't break the bank: http://emptek.com/towers.php Then you can choose between their center speakers.

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I have a hard time going cheap on basically everything so I can blow the doors off with 2 higher end subwoofers, I'm just looking for a nice, balanced system, maybe a step or two above entry level?
I don't see where you are going cheap on anything? Those bookshelves and the dual subs will sound better than towers and a lesser sub(s). You don't need to spend a lot of surrounds, the performance of a home theater rests on your front sound stage and subs. And no you won't blow the doors off with two subs, they only add a slight bit of output, its more for having quality bass throughout.

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I hear what you're saying, will look into those examples. The bookshelf speakers sound pretty good, is there a problem with my center? (insufficient?) I thought the RC-52 ii was supposed to be pretty good.


Problem with subs, I only have room and pre-wiring for 1.


Thanks for the feedback, appreciate it.
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I hear what you're saying, will look into those examples. The bookshelf speakers sound pretty good, is there a problem with my center? (insufficient?) I thought the RC-52 ii was supposed to be pretty good.


Problem with subs, I only have room and pre-wiring for 1.


Thanks for the feedback, appreciate it.
You center will work fine. Down the road maybe you could upgrade to something bigger like the RC-62, but I wouldn't worry about it now.

If you can only go with one sub, I would get the new Power Sound Audio XV15se This is a hell of a sub with great output and extension.

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I agree with the other guys have told you about subs.

A sub is big driver, big enclosure, and an amp. It's heavy to ship. And good one's are pricey to make. $300 is very budget subish territory. The subs that Transmaniacon are good choices. As far as pre-wiring, why not just run the extra sub cable behind the footer molding along the floor? You can run two subs off one output off your receiver.

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I hear what you're saying, will look into those examples. The bookshelf speakers sound pretty good, is there a problem with my center? (insufficient?) I thought the RC-52 ii was supposed to be pretty good.


Problem with subs, I only have room and pre-wiring for 1.


Thanks for the feedback, appreciate it.

A few thoughts. If you'd like to stay with Klipsch monitors, try to find an old set of RB-75's. They were excellent speakers for the money. They need to be used with a sub for ht, but still very good. They used a better tweeter than the successor (Rb-81).


Another option are some modestly priced pro speakers. Recently, some avs members found the Mackie c200 to be excellent ht speaker for the money ($200 each). You can read about there experiences here:
Mackie C200 - under the hood


Along the same lines, some members really enjoyed the Behringer 215XL for ht duty.


Behringer Eurolive B215XL 15" 2-Way as L/R Mains


One final option is diy. If (and only IF) you're handy you can put together some very nice speakers for very cheap. If that interests you check out http://www.diysoundgroup.com/wavegui...fusion-12.html. If that holds no appeal for you then don't even bother with it.


Best of luck with your choice.
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SVS has a Labor Day sale with PB12-NSD's for $499 shipped through their outlet section. You absolutely cannot beat that deal, and they come with an excellent warranty.

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SVS has a Labor Day sale with PB12-NSD's for $499 shipped through their outlet section. You absolutely cannot beat that deal, and they come with an excellent warranty.
I don't need to see these deals!!! I need to buy tires here soon...

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I don't need to see these deals!!! I need to buy tires here soon...
One of those PB12s would be a nice improvement over your BIC F12. Maybe you can trade the F12 for some tires

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One of those PB12s would be a nice improvement over your BIC F12. Maybe you can trade the F12 for some tires
Yeah it would be a huge improvement, but being in an apartment I have to refrain for now. I plan to buy a home soon, in which case I would love to DIY a pair of sealed SI 18s

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OK starting to get excited.


Went ahead and bought 2 of those Behring Eurolive B215XL's. I was at a party a few weeks ago with professional DJ speakers like this and thought it was one of the best most powerful speakers I'd heard, I'm happy with the price.


I will probably get one of those SVS PB12-NSD's in the outlet section, sounds good. I know I could deal with wiring for a second but simply nowhere to set it in the room.


That would leave the surrounds. Only feedback so far was for those surface mount polks, can anyone help with an "in-ceiling" option for the rears and "in-wall" option for the sides on a budget? I had been looking at the Klipsch and Polk and even monoprice speakers(mostly 6 ohm though...?), there is big variability in price on these, they will only be for surround so not sure which would be decent without overspending.


This thread and the others linked have been very very helpful, thank you!
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Picked up 4 polks for the surrounds and with the behrings (which are completely awesome by the way) hooked up things are starting to sound real nice.

Missed out on that outlet deal on the svs subs. Any good DIY option for a sub around $500 to round out this setup? Or some other option 5-6 hundred?

Thanks! I would be lost without all your kind help!
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Talk to the DIY forum. They can advise you on DIY: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-diy-speakers-subs/

Or, Outlaw Audio LFM-1 Plus for $499 shipped: http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/lfm1plus.html

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